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Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
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The old pistol reminds me of Marathon in its accuracy and power. Can you vid it?

  • 05.10.2006 11:11 AM PDT
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I SAY MAKE MUCH MUCH MUCH MUICH MORE PISTOLS IN THE GAME BUT THINK ABOUT IT THINK U SEE A MAN WITH A LIL PISTOLE IN HE HAND HODING IT IN HIS FACE LOL FUNNY XD HAHA HOW CAN A PSITOLE HAVE A SCOPE HAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 05.10.2006 11:13 AM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

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Posted by: PuzzelledplayeR
Hahaha, you couldn't get that close. I'd love to see who you were playing with, probly your little brother! And please, keep your, "stay out of the thread" threats to yourself. Just sick of all the babies out there crying about a pistol in a game that they weren't any good at. H1=SKILL, H2=pleasing the masses.


Lol. Great comeback, guy. I think we have a new most unintelligent post.

  • 05.10.2006 11:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: inowereulive10
so then you would be able to zoom in with all the guns if it was the visor

like y wont my visor zoom in when im using a shotgun


Dude, just read the insert for Halo CE. It says it right there. It's not like I'm just making this up. And learn how to use caps and periods and comma's and stuff. Or come back in ten years when you can have an educated debate. It's hard to debate with pre-teens.

  • 05.10.2006 11:37 AM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

"Am I a pro? Do I look like I worship myself?"

Posted by: HM Slayer
Posted by: inowereulive10
so then you would be able to zoom in with all the guns if it was the visor

like y wont my visor zoom in when im using a shotgun


Dude, just read the insert for Halo CE. It says it right there. It's not like I'm just making this up. And learn how to use caps and periods and comma's and stuff. Or come back in ten years when you can have an educated debate. It's hard to debate with pre-teens.


You do realize that this is the internet, right? I don't think this guy is as worried about this forum as he is about an English paper. Chill.

  • 05.10.2006 11:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: XxHunter82xX

Anywho, back on topic, an AR vs a Pistol at med range would be owned by a pistol. Infact, if any one of you EVER played on xbconnect or gamespy, you would know that if someone wasn't running with some power weapon, they had the pistol (and to a MUCH lesser degree, the shoty). It was rare to see anything else.


Rare? Have you even played online? On XBC the whole game is PLAYED around the rocket launcher. People even use timers to make sure they know when it's spawning so they can get it. On Chill Out I never even switch to my pistol unless they are at mid range. Since almost all of the fighting is at close range, I use the assualt rifle almost exclusively on that map if I don't have the rocket or shotgun. Hang em High is played around the rocket, and some people nade the sniper to themselves. Longest is ALL about the shotgun. Chiron is all about the rocket and shotgun.


All of you that are saying the balance in Halo is off, I agree to a degree (mostly because of things like the PP and Sword), but the solution isn't to go back to another off balance (but still quite fun, mind you) system. In fact, if you notice, in levels that start with the BR, you will NEVER see anyone bust out the SMG. This is because the game shifts from a mix of Long, med, and short range combat, to mostly long and some med range (on some levels, however, this is necessary).


I prefer longer rang combat. This is one of the main reasons I enjoy BR starts.


And for all those who say the SMG sucks, you simply don't know how to use this thing. In a one on one Med range SMG vs BR, I may prefer to have the BR, BUT it is certainly not a lost cause to fight. Learn to use the SMG. It's not our fault if u suck with it.

Bungie does have some more balancing to do, but taking the Pistol out as the default was a huge step forward.


How was it not balanced. People who played online played Pro, so everyone started with pistols. So, there was no balance issue. It never was the default weapon. Now, starting with plasma pistols, which was the default weapon on most maps in H1 was unbalanced. It then came down to who could get to ANY OTHER weapon first, including the pistol. It was almost as bad as the needler.

  • 05.10.2006 11:48 AM PDT
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This is 5848509843590 years in the future and the guns that we(the U.S) have are more advanced guns, we have a pistol that can shoot rounds that will follow people, common we need that pistol back plus it was cool.

  • 05.10.2006 11:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: PuzzelledplayeR
Hahaha, you couldn't get that close. I'd love to see who you were playing with, probly your little brother! And please, keep your, "stay out of the thread" threats to yourself. Just sick of all the babies out there crying about a pistol in a game that they weren't any good at. H1=SKILL, H2=pleasing the masses.


Who's the baby? At least I can spell "probably". I used the AR on Chill Out all the time because it was almost all close combat. I could use a short burst and melee and kill someone with a pistol in close quarters before they could kill me more often than not.

  • 05.10.2006 11:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rhewtani
That battle rifle completely fills the halo 1 pistol role. It's a 4 hit kill to the old 3 hit ... should be plenty enough.


Not when you have someone with a sniper rifle half way across the map. It's pretty useless long range. You might be able to unzoom them, but that's about all you can hope for.

  • 05.10.2006 11:53 AM PDT

Let there be CHAOS!

i loved the pistol. its perfect the way it is, and if it returns for H3 i want it to be no different! and no the BR does not replace the pistol successfully at all. its got quite a slower firing rate, is inaccurate over long distances, and it has sooooo much autoaim. its so freaking easy to master the "4 shot" with the BR it's hilarious. the pistol however had much less crosshair magnetism and the bullets didnt track into the opponent's head like the BR.

also another thing, in halo 1 you walked much faster so if you're fighting against someone who actually knows how to strafe, its not so easy to get a 3 shot.... on halo 2 however, chief is out of shape and walks quite sluggishly giving that BR guy that's firing at you quite an easy kill. the BR is all about who fires first, the pistol is all about who can aim the best while strafing at the same time...

  • 05.10.2006 11:54 AM PDT
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The old pistol was awesome. The only reason people thought it was cheap was because some people know how to use it right. The Battle rifle is much cheaper than the Pistol. the Pistol has no auto aim, and the Battle rifle does. Cheap beyond belif. I miss the old MA5B assault rifle... I want that back. It looks rather hopeful since it was in the trailer. The Pistol and AR balanced out each other. Power and inacuracy.... wonderful.

  • 05.10.2006 11:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: noobnoobnoob
Anyway I think they should keep the battle rifle skin and apply it to the H1 pistol so it can't be dual weilded but will still be a good weapon. I know it contradicts me saying earlier that the skin doesn't matter but it means people won't be yelling and screaming when they can't dual weild a pistol.


I've been saying since Halo 2 came out....just make a Human Carbine and give it the same physics as the old pistol. Most of these people only seem to be concerned about the shape of it, that would fix it. Of course, then their true colors would probably come out and they'd complain how bad they got owned playing multiplayer, and they just don't want it back no matter what it looks like.

  • 05.10.2006 12:08 PM PDT
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BR is better and more realistic

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to be perfectly honest, i don't want the halo 1 pistol back. it was fun in halo 1, although it got boring to use all the time. halo 2 magnum was awesome before they tweaked it. it took a lot more to get the job done. but again, that was halo 2. halo 3 is a completely different game than halo 1 or halo 2. be happy they are even making a third.
personally, if there were completely new and original weapons that neither 1 or 2 had, i would be stoked.

  • 05.10.2006 12:12 PM PDT

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If extreme accuracy and two shot kill is what makes a pistol good, then your no Spartan (Or Elite for that matter). The H1 pistol was uber, even in that game with all it's pros and cons. Way to powerful and way to accurate, it was more like a mini sniper rifle than a sidearm. Remember folks, a pistol is a sidearm, for close quaters and back up when your primary (AR/BR/Shottie, ect) runs out on the clip or ammo altogether. I hate seeing games where everyone is just pot-shoting with their pistol, it shows that players are only considered with quick and easy kills with no regard with being a Skilled Player. I don't care how many people you kill and how many times you don't die when you use the pistol, cheap is cheap and weilding a uber weapon doesn't mean you got skillz. You have skill when you take out the four chumps guarding the flag with only one clip of AR/SMG, a badly thrown grenade and no back-up.

Just like the noob combo of H2 (No, I don't care what you say or think, it's a noob combo) H1 pistol is for noobs, losers and those mistaken that it's a sign of skill to cap the guy who just spawned. The kid who said that dumming down the pistol made the sniper and rocket the power weapons....hmm...need it be pointed out that they were already the dominate power weapons? Who in their right mind could ever say that outside of close quaters that a pistol should match up or even balance out against a sniper rifle, much less a friggin -ROCKET- launcher. Besides noobs, I don't know. The H2 pistol is weak, a little too weak. Increase the damage so that a single clip kills and put the scope back on it and you'll have a perfect pistol.

To finally answer the question of the thread: They want it cause it makes the game easier for them. It's not more fun, cause the guy getting spawn-killed cause of its "cool range" across the map. Leave the H1 pistol where it was created -and- left, in Halo CE. Revamp the current pistol with the modifications I mentioned above and you'll be happy.

  • 05.10.2006 12:12 PM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

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Posted by: HM Slayer
Rare? Have you even played online? On XBC the whole game is PLAYED around the rocket launcher. People even use timers to make sure they know when it's spawning so they can get it. On Chill Out I never even switch to my pistol unless they are at mid range. Since almost all of the fighting is at close range, I use the assualt rifle almost exclusively on that map if I don't have the rocket or shotgun. Hang em High is played around the rocket, and some people nade the sniper to themselves. Longest is ALL about the shotgun. Chiron is all about the rocket and shotgun.


Dude, are you freakin serious?? Have u ever played? I LIVED on gamespy tunnel (good ol' lag and all). LIke I said, if someone didn't have a power weapon, they had the pistol. So that already agrees with what you said. So you actually helped my point on that. There weren't 12 freakin rockets n' snipers, were there??

You may have exclusively used the shoty n' rifle on a level, BUT i can promise you that if you think that a level relied solely on a shoty n' rifle, then you must have only played something like once or twice in your life online. Sure there were levels where you might see it used a bit more than others, but by no means did this mean that they were able to overcome the pistol or power weapons.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 12:16 PM PDT
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why do you people still play halo 1? that game is a classic, but classics are just that. outdated. quit whining about something the rest of the world forgot about when halo 2 came out.

  • 05.10.2006 12:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
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Posted by: HalfMad Falcon
The old pistol was awesome. The only reason people thought it was cheap was because some people know how to use it right.

I found it monotonous, considering each XBC game, or tourney I attended was not much more than a pistolfest. Sure, people grabbed Snipes and Rocks, but it wasn't long before they respawned with the pistol. I find the pistol just a little less irritating than the BR starts on Live, where the most variety is found in BR with a side of 'nades and melees.

Seriously, what is the point of having x number of weapons when everyone uses the (pistol or equivilaent) from spawn, and few pick up anything else?

To those who insert experience into arguments: I have been playing Halo since it launched 11/2001. XBC and whatever tourney came to my area. I don't claim to be a "pro" and am not interested in a "who plays better" argument. I simply report what I see, nothing you say to the contrary can override that.

  • 05.10.2006 12:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dumbass469
why do you people still play halo 1? that game is a classic, but classics are just that. outdated. quit whining about something the rest of the world forgot about when halo 2 came out.
I didn't forget. Why? Because its the first just like the mario games the sonic games etc etc Nobody should ever forget what made the start of something because without the start we wouldn't have a finsh.

  • 05.10.2006 12:24 PM PDT

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The Battle Rifle is just fine. Four headshots is a hell of a lot better than three headshots. At least with four, a person has a chance of ducking behind some cover. With the semi-automatic fire that the pistol had, somebody with a good aim could drop you in a second.

The problem with the SMG starts though was they didn't have the range. They were a good up close weapon but at a distance, unless you knew how to use them, they were horrible.

So what I'm thinking is have a weapon that had the power and distance of the pistol, similar to the BR, but don't start with it. Because when you start with the best overall weapon in the game, nobody wants to pick up another weapon.

If the Assault Rifle is being brought back, start with it. It's more powerful than the SMG and has a better distance. Have AR starts and have maybe three or four of the "pistols" circulated around the map on regular respawns like the snipers in Waterworks. I think that would be the best balanced way to do things.

  • 05.10.2006 12:25 PM PDT

Let there be CHAOS!

we're not whining, we're debating about Halo 3 bringing back what some of us believe made the original Halo so good.

and just because Halo one is a classic doesn't mean you can't play it anymore. and it has definetly not been forgotten about. i play it al the time on PC and on Xbox LAN with my friends and on Xlink.

don't tell me what i can and cant talk about

  • 05.10.2006 12:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: XxHunter82xX]


And for all those who say the SMG sucks, you simply don't know how to use this thing. In a one on one Med range SMG vs BR, I may prefer to have the BR, BUT it is certainly not a lost cause to fight. Learn to use the SMG. It's not our fault if u suck with it.
Wait, how do you suck with the SMG? It is point and aim, with your right/left(for those on southpaw) holding a slight bit down to counteract the recoil. It does suck. It is beaten by a BR Long, Mid, and Short range. 4 shot to your face kills faster than the smg with every bullet hitting. This has been proven in games over and over. Medium range: The BR kills SMG even with a 5 shot, even if you SMG Burst. Long range: Don't even ask. SMG might land a few hits with Bursting, but, not a contest. The BR dominates Close, Med, and Far, unbalancing the game.
But, for the old pistol: That is another way to unbalance it. IMO, The pistol could dominate from anywhere on any map if you had any clue how to use it. Sure, other weapons were a little overpowered, but, if you didn't notice, they didn't have nearly as much ammo as the pistol did. (or the BR in H2, for that matter) It should be brought back ONLY if you can hold no where near as much ammo, or else, it is too dominate.

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  • 05.10.2006 12:29 PM PDT

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Dumb, we're just debating which would be better to have in H3. The H1, H2 or a variation of either. Just because a game is outdated doesn't mean it isn't fun to play anymore. I play Doom 1 and Blood from time to time. Awesome games then, classics now. Long live video games.

  • 05.10.2006 12:30 PM PDT
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Guys I play both Halo 1 and 2, but Halo 1 is better because it is more balanced than Halo 2 when playing Multiplayer. Although some may think the pistol is "Over-Powered", but it gave everybody equal opportunity to play....cant say much about that in Halo 2. Also I can recall that the zoom on the pistol is there because it was built into his suit, and in Halo 2 it is not. Also the Power weapons in Halo 2 dont respawn for as long as someone is holding it which would be okay had the pistol still be in play.

Just to say the Die-Hard Halo players want the pistol back because it made the game balanced for everyone to have equal opportunity

  • 05.10.2006 12:33 PM PDT