Halo 3 Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
  • Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

edited

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 12:54 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

because it took SKILL

  • 05.10.2006 12:55 PM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

"Am I a pro? Do I look like I worship myself?"

Posted by: II Wags II
because it took SKILL


Lol. Skill that everyone and their freakin dog had. Made (like said many times already) for unvaried gameplay.

DON'T GET ME WRONG!!! I loved halo. I was crack addicted to xbconnect and gamespy tunnel (gamespy moreso). There are elements from both games that are great, BUT the pistol is one element that can be left out of Halo 3.

  • 05.10.2006 12:58 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

It was good in Halo 1 just because it was a nice balance with all the weapons. In Halo 2 there really wasn't a single weapon that competed with the BR and thus Halo 2 was basically a BR only game.

If anything i want a modified Halo 1 pistol to appear in Halo 3, it should be like this:

- No Scope
- 4-5 Shot Kills (5-8 dual wield)
- Rate of Fire similar to Halo 1
- Less Accurate than Halo 1 (even less when Dual Wielded)
- Less Range then Halo 1 (even less when Dual Wielded)

This will make it a great starting weapon/side arm that you can use while looking for better weapons such as the AR and BR. You can still be a threat overall.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 12:59 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: XxHunter82xX
Posted by: HM Slayer
Once again, someone is speaking on a subject they know nothing about. It takes THREE shots (head shots that is) to kill someone with the old pistol....not two. You people just repeat what you've heard others talk about even though you know nothing of what you speak.


Ok, you can pick out the uninformed ones, BUT there are plenty of uninformed ones on the other end of the argument to. This doesn't make either your argument or mine any more valid. It's all about the meat n' potatos (facts and applications).


Really? You show me people on this forum that have only played Halo CE and not Halo 2, yet make broad statements about both. People have either played both, or Halo 2.

This is the same way I caught the person a year ago comparing H1 and H2, and making broad uneducated statements (like this person I responded to) about the pistol, then I got him to admit that he had only played H1 a total of 45 minutes. It was pretty clear from his first post, but when he had no idea what a backpack reload was, or a double melee, I was able to show him out to be the fraud he was until he finally admitted it. It's no different now.

  • 05.10.2006 12:59 PM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

"Am I a pro? Do I look like I worship myself?"

Posted by: HM Slayer
Really? You show me people on this forum that have only played Halo CE and not Halo 2, yet make broad statements about both.


Ok...
Posted by: roggie 2499
Posted by: XxHunter82xX]


And for all those who say the SMG sucks, you simply don't know how to use this thing. In a one on one Med range SMG vs BR, I may prefer to have the BR, BUT it is certainly not a lost cause to fight. Learn to use the SMG. It's not our fault if u suck with it.

Wait, how do you suck with the SMG? It is point and aim, with your right/left(for those on southpaw) holding a slight bit down to counteract the recoil. It does suck. It is beaten by a BR Long, Mid, and Short range.


Done. Next question??

  • 05.10.2006 1:03 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: mvenus
No because its too overpowered and unrealistic. It can beat a rocket or sniper guy.
Its basiclly a more round sniper.
No handgun can shoot a mile and kill.
Plus you can kill with melees because Master Chief is super strong.


It can only beat them if they are not very good. It all comes down to what weapon is best for the job. I've seen people trying to use a rocket launcher from half way across the map in Blood Gulch. That is simply not the right map to use a rocket from long distances. It's more of an assualt weapon when storming a base and you need to clear it out in that map. Can I beat a sniper on BG with a pistol? Sure, if they aren't very good with it. Can I beat a rocket on Damnation with a pistol....sure, if they miss.

  • 05.10.2006 1:04 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: XxHunter82xX
Posted by: HM Slayer
Really? You show me people on this forum that have only played Halo CE and not Halo 2, yet make broad statements about both.


Ok...
Posted by: roggie 2499
Posted by: XxHunter82xX]


And for all those who say the SMG sucks, you simply don't know how to use this thing. In a one on one Med range SMG vs BR, I may prefer to have the BR, BUT it is certainly not a lost cause to fight. Learn to use the SMG. It's not our fault if u suck with it.

Wait, how do you suck with the SMG? It is point and aim, with your right/left(for those on southpaw) holding a slight bit down to counteract the recoil. It does suck. It is beaten by a BR Long, Mid, and Short range.


Done. Next question??


Did he even make any statements about Halo 1? I only see him talking about Halo 2. Not that he hasn't, I just don't feel like searching this whole thread.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 1:07 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Dumbass469
Posted by: ghost91
Posted by: Dumbass469
yes indeed, awesome then, classics now. my point is that im constantly looking to be challenged. since the days of atari and NES, i have pwned artificial intellegence. i get bored with games very easily. thats why i don't play regular NES or Duke Nukem anymore. they got old, outdated, and there was always something new to gain my interest. true, old games have a place in my heart for all thye good times, but memories are memories, cherish them and move on.
in regards to the thread, i don't want the halo 1 pistol back. but people may want it back to feel a sense of security and nostalgia for something that was super fun for them 5 years ago. its easier to remember how to use the h1 pistol than worry about complicated combinations of duel-wielding weapons and innovative new additions to gameplay, which, i dont know, im just guessing, make the game (gasp) a challenge!


If you find duel weilding complicated, I imagine making the game challenging wont be a problem.


sat·ire ( P ) Pronunciation Key (str)
n.

A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.
Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.


Unless your entire post was sarcastic, It does not change my statement.

  • 05.10.2006 1:10 PM PDT
  • gamertag: DR0CX
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Ric_Adbur
No one should ever be afraid of looking stupid, so long as they are making a rational effort to expand their understanding.

Maybe Bungie could release "Halo: M6D". It can have all multiplayer maps from CE and "2", no campaign, and no weapons except for M6D. That way self proclaimed pro's can marvel about how 1337 they are, pat each other on the back, and look down their noses at the unwashed neanderthals who prefer variety in their gaming. I can't think of a better way of removing idiots from xbl multiplayer.

  • 05.10.2006 1:11 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Maybe Bungie could release "Halo: M6D". It can have all multiplayer maps from CE and "2", no campaign, and no weapons except for M6D. That way self proclaimed pro's can marvel about how 1337 they are, pat each other on the back, and look down their noses at the unwashed neanderthals who prefer variety in their gaming. I can't think of a better way of removing idiots from xbl multiplayer.


Im a self-proclaimed noob and I would like the pistol.

  • 05.10.2006 1:12 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Maybe Bungie could release "Halo: M6D". It can have all multiplayer maps from CE and "2", no campaign, and no weapons except for M6D. That way self proclaimed pro's can marvel about how 1337 they are, pat each other on the back, and look down their noses at the unwashed neanderthals who prefer variety in their gaming. I can't think of a better way of removing idiots from xbl multiplayer.


When was the last time you threw down a battle rifle for a single needler in your quest for variety?

  • 05.10.2006 1:15 PM PDT
  • gamertag: DR0CX
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Ric_Adbur
No one should ever be afraid of looking stupid, so long as they are making a rational effort to expand their understanding.

Posted by: HM Slayer
When was the last time you threw down a battle rifle for a single needler in your quest for variety?

Dual Needlers, any weapon or dual combo I can get my hands on really. I just dont' see the point in having weapons that go untouched because you start with your crutch.

  • 05.10.2006 1:17 PM PDT

Your balls are showing...bumblebee tuna

The pistol was great because it was such a fun weapon. The scope was cool and if you were good enough..you could kill in three headshots(or fewer?) people hated it because they sucked with it just like people hate snipes and br's.

  • 05.10.2006 1:19 PM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

"Am I a pro? Do I look like I worship myself?"

Posted by: roggie 2499
But, for the old pistol: That is another way to unbalance it. IMO, The pistol could dominate from anywhere on any map if you had any clue how to use it. Sure, other weapons were a little overpowered, but, if you didn't notice, they didn't have nearly as much ammo as the pistol did. (or the BR in H2, for that matter) It should be brought back ONLY if you can hold no where near as much ammo, or else, it is too dominate.


There ya go HM Slayer. Like i said....dumbass on both sides.

  • 05.10.2006 1:20 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

If a player chooses not to pick up a weapon its the fault of the player. There should be something to intrest the player in that weapon.

  • 05.10.2006 1:22 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: ghost91
Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Maybe Bungie could release "Halo: M6D". It can have all multiplayer maps from CE and "2", no campaign, and no weapons except for M6D. That way self proclaimed pro's can marvel about how 1337 they are, pat each other on the back, and look down their noses at the unwashed neanderthals who prefer variety in their gaming. I can't think of a better way of removing idiots from xbl multiplayer.


Im a self-proclaimed noob and I would like the pistol.


Thank you Ghost. Glad you showed them it isn't all "pros" that want the pistol back. People like it from all skill levels. I went to three tournaments for Halo CE. Never made it out of the first round. (of course it didn't help that HP Darkman played at the same site I played at. That, and 4 others of the top 10 players at the time). I'm no pro, but I love the pistol.

Besides, with ranks, this pretty much becomes a mute subject. Most people who hated the pistol didn't like it because they didn't have much time using it and couldn't compete against those that did. With ranks, you would be placed in games with others of somewhat the same skill levels. Is the pistol overpowered? Guess it comes down to how long you've been playing. It feels overpowered to someone who has only played the game a few hours, playing against someone who has been playing for years. But, playing the same skill level against the same skill level, it's amazing fun.

I remember beating a couple of guys in BG 50 to -1. And, it's not like they weren't trying. The -1 came from one of the guys camping in one of the bases trying to shot a rocket at me as he passed the door. He hit the side of the door and killed himself. Of course I was at midmap, so even if it had cleared the door, chances weren't very high he would have hit me...lol And what was my weapon of choice in that game? A sniper rifle, not the pistol.

I was on the other side of that when I first started playing. But, I still loved it and stuck with it. I didn't throw down the controller in a fit of rage and walk away from it forever. Hell, we still get our butts kicked from time to time. Anymore it's hard to find a fair game on XBC because almost everyone is using timers to make sure they get....wait for it....the rocket launcher.

  • 05.10.2006 1:27 PM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

"Am I a pro? Do I look like I worship myself?"

Posted by: HM Slayer
Most people who hated the pistol didn't like it because they didn't have much time using it and couldn't compete against those that did. With ranks, you would be placed in games with others of somewhat the same skill levels. Is the pistol overpowered? Guess it comes down to how long you've been playing. It feels overpowered to someone who has only played the game a few hours, playing against someone who has been playing for years. But, playing the same skill level against the same skill level, it's amazing fun.


I'm by no means a pro, BUT I could more than hold my own. You have made an incorrect overly broad statement here. True, many do want it back, but I could also turn it around and say that most of the people that want it back feel overpowered by the SMG. Just because the one person I presented to was an example of this doesn't mean that all (or even most) of you are unskilled like that fellow.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 1:35 PM PDT

Spartan II 077
Codenamed: Lasombra
Rank: Masterchief

Two or three shots, it doesn't matter ( I do play H1 and when I headshot with the pistol, they are dead in two shots. I have no clue about their health/shield so I could be getting lucky and shooting weakened opponents. I don't travel solo often in the game so it's possible.You run your mouth about people's gaming habits when you don't have the slightest clue in the first place. Don't be a Donkey.)

No pistol should be able to kill quicker than a rifle and even at point blank range with the AR against a unmoving target, the pistol still wins. That is unfair, that is unbalanced. I can do the headshots no problem, anyone can get good enough to aim. It's just unbalanced, too powerfull for it's weapon class. To say that people complain about it because they lack skill means you got a ego only shows you think your some sort of Halo-god and if someone else can't do it then they suck and are just whining. I can own with the best in a pistol-fest on Halo 1 but its just lame to do so, takes away from the quality of the game.

Think what you want about the Pistol but some people don't like being cheap.

  • 05.10.2006 1:36 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Omega Impala
Listen, I was one of the best people with the pistol amongst my friends in Halo CE...and I was all for mostly scrapping it for Halo 2 for balance purposes. Then I realized the ugly truth...without the pistol, the sniper and rocket absolutely DOMINATED. I mean, they were the power weapons in Halo CE, but you had to know how to use them to be REALLY good at them. Headshots were significantly harder and there was no vehicle tracking for rockets.

The pistol was somehow able to help balance out those weapons far more effectively than the current weapon setup Halo 2 uses. It is for that reason alone that I think a "old pistol-like" weapon couldn't hurt Halo 3, and certainly could really help Bungie's apparent baby, balance.


Agreed. BR is a mid-range weapon at best, long range it is almost useless against a sniper, at least the pistol gave you a chance.

  • 05.10.2006 1:40 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: MC 077 Lasombra
Two or three shots, it doesn't matter ( I do play H1 and when I headshot with the pistol, they are dead in two shots. I have no clue about their health/shield so I could be getting lucky and shooting weakened opponents. I don't travel solo often in the game so it's possible.You run your mouth about people's gaming habits when you don't have the slightest clue in the first place. Don't be a Donkey.)

No pistol should be able to kill quicker than a rifle and even at point blank range with the AR against a unmoving target, the pistol still wins. That is unfair, that is unbalanced. I can do the headshots no problem, anyone can get good enough to aim. It's just unbalanced, too powerfull for it's weapon class. To say that people complain about it because they lack skill means you got a ego only shows you think your some sort of Halo-god and if someone else can't do it then they suck and are just whining. I can own with the best in a pistol-fest on Halo 1 but its just lame to do so, takes away from the quality of the game.

Think what you want about the Pistol but some people don't like being cheap.


Some people don't like being cheap? I've seen about 80% of this site vote for BxRing as okay in their opinion even when others aren't using it. At least everyone spawned with a pistol in CE. At least there weren't things you could do with it to make it 1 sided, pistol vs pistol was whoever hit 3 shots first. BxR vs legit BR is completely 1 sided. So no actually, most people like being VERY cheap.

  • 05.10.2006 1:42 PM PDT

Flame Sama's Portal. Home of the anti-emo teenage writer/gamer Flame Sama, stop by and read some time.

By the way, my gamertag is really 'Flame Sama'.

This account is inactive-it's a relic of a former time for Bungie.net, back when groups were riding high prior to the release Halo 3.

Posted by: Spartan in Oslo
I agree. The old pistol on halo CE was retarded. Totally messed up the multiplayer! Nobody wants it back.


BULL FECES, I know that it was over-powered and also over-used,
but compare H1's ''n00b'' pistol, to the piece of crap in H2 !!!

Anything is better than that !

And quite a lot of people loved the H1 pistol, including me !

Not to even mention it looked a HELL of a lot cooler in H1.

If it is brought back, tone it down a bit, and then it's perfect !

  • 05.10.2006 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: The Hemroid
The pistol was great because it was such a fun weapon. The scope was cool and if you were good enough..you could kill in three headshots(or fewer?) people hated it because they sucked with it just like people hate snipes and br's.


I rock the BR and I am not bad with the sniper, but I was very happy to see the pistol go. It significantly reduced weapon variety and, in my opinion, cheapened the game. The Battle Rifle is a good replacement for the pistol; it is still very powerful, but not quite as much as the pistol from Halo:CE. It also makes more sense to have a rifle fill the role of a mid-to-long range weapon as opposed to a handgun. Despite the many claims to the contrary, I do not believe that the pistol required any skill. I believe that the word skill has a connotation that the action is in some way difficult to perform or accomplish. I have yet to see anyone play Halo:CE for more than an hour and not be proficient with the pistol.

Bungie, please take opinions like mine into consideration during the development of Halo 3. I would prefer to see a variety of weak weapons, prefferably built around a rock-paper-scissors scheme than to have a mindless game dominated by preteens who claim that their ability to use one or two superpowered weapons takes skill.

  • 05.10.2006 1:43 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

i read a few posts and was fed up by the firsts
the only reason "everyone" wants it back is because it took no skill whatsoever to use
now it wasnt inbalance because everyone had one at the begining of a slayer match
but i believe what takes skill if say you were playing 4v4 on ascension
now everyone knows to take the snipers and the towers in that level and control them
i believe to kill a sniper who can shoot quicker faster and probally better than you could with your starting weapon would be skill


but then again another reason i think "everyone" and in my opinion everyone is those damn MLG punks. yea i think theyre little -blam!-es not because of their name or how "good" they are its only because they could kill you with that damn pistol and not pick up another weapon for the whole game.

  • 05.10.2006 1:45 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

than how can you say accuacy isn't for a spartan? Just because he's a spartan he can melee a lot stronger and everything? Surely if he can kill someone with two "lunges" not even like a beat down but a lunge that is UNREALISTIC than surley he can aim very very well with a pistol, and plus a bunch of times even on lan you have to aim a little in front of them:)

  • 05.10.2006 1:47 PM PDT