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Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
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Please bring back the pistol!

I read someone posted that it was unbalanced cuz u couldn't take someone down who had a pistol if you didn't......2 reasons thats wrong

1. Why the hell wouldn't you have a pistol, i spawn with it every time.
2. I've taken out plenty a pistol-weilder with the: AR, PR, RR, and sniper....even the pp. So someone please explain to me how it wasn't balanced, referencing the 2 above points

  • 05.10.2006 3:00 PM PDT

[22:08] [JohnHoward:] The Halo 1 pistol wasn't a mistake...
[22:08] [JohnHoward:] It was also intended to be the ultimate hold out weapon...
[22:09] [JohnHoward:] I always believe that balance is about giving each weapon / ability / whatever it's own perfect situation.


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Okay, I'm skipping alot when I say this, so if someone's already posted a counter arguement, oh well.

The pistol is probably the best weapon ever put in any game by anyone. When I say "best", I don't mean the post powerful, I mean that the pistol made Halo a better game than all other games like it.

I remember a little while back, a friend of mine was telling me the things that just have to be in a FPS to make it a good, balanced game. One of those things was a starting weapon that took alot of accuracy to use, but was powerful. This way, a skilled player can still kill a lesser player who starts shooting him from behind. It would also mean that the majority of battles would take skill, since the starting weapon takes skill. Power weapons would still be power weapons, but if used without a solid strategy, someone using that powerfull skill gun could take them down. It would make it important to stay with your teammate, but double teaming soeone doesn't gaurantee a kill. You have to use real map-dominating teamwork to win.

In the end, the game would force teamwork, strategy, and skill. The better player/team will win in a situation like that, and isn't that what a game should be all about? The better player(s) winning? I don't think I need to point out that this scenerio is EXACTALLY the way Halo 1 plays out.

If Halo 3 was to include a DEFAULT starting weapon siilar to the H1 Pistol, the game would be at least 3x as badass. I have doubts that Bungie will do this, however, since Halo 2 made it look like their business is in it for the money rather than making their own game and having some fair fun with it. Less skilled game= more less.. inteligent users, which are the majority of gamers nowadays. Of course, I respect Bungie, and hope that they prove me wrong with Halo 3.

  • 05.10.2006 3:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hobbes0240
The Pros-
+It's what made Halo's multiplayer great.
+Spawning with a good weapon gave you a chance.
+It balanced the multiplayer.
+It was the go-to campaign weapon.


I pretty much agree with all of that, except the first. While it helped make Halo 1 great, it wasn't the only factor.


The Cons-
-Dule pistols could topple the United States standing Army.


I agree, dual Halo 1 pistols would be very bad. But all Bungie would have to do is make it a non-dual wield weapon. Sure some people would complain about the realism: "BUT GUYS ITS A PISTOL HOW COME MC CANT HOLD TWO?" But when it comes down to it, the game should be fun over realistic.


-It's a freaking PISTOL that kills in 3 shots.
-It's a freaking PISTOL, but it was the best weapon in the game.


I really hate this argument becuase if the Pistol was skinned as a rifle no one would care. Again, Halo isn't supposed to be a realistic game, play Rainbow Six if you want that.


-It made weapon selecting much less interesting in Halo:CE.


I guess it kind of did, but you could say the same thing about the BR in Halo 2. In MLG gametypes, no one drops the BR.


-It had a scope.


No it didn't. You know the little bump on top of the gun by the muzzle? That is a little camera that is linked to MC's armor.


*If you fought it with anything but a shotgun at close range, you'd lose.


Not true, all these guns have an advantage over the pistol in close range:
AR (if you were skilled with melee)
PR (if you were skilled with melee)
Shotty (like you said)
Rocket (if you could place it behind them so you don't get caught in the blast)


*If you fought it with anything but a rocket medium range, you'd lose.


Thats basicly true, except you forgot one thing. Everyone had a pistol (well at least in the most played gametypes) so even if you didn't have a rocket you still had an even chance with the person.


*If you fought it with anything but a sniper long range, you'd lose.


If anyone tries using a shotgun at long range, they deserve to be killed. Also, again, everyone has the pistol.


Think of campaign, think of your choice weapon your weapon was...a pistol. Our boys in Iraq, how many of them only carry an M9 as a main weapon. Think how stupid that would look.
WWII, how many GIs carried .45s as there weapon, and how many Germans fired on the beaches of Normandy with Lugers?
Dosen't that mental immage look ridiculous? Well that's how Halo:CE's campaign felt, and that's how Halo 3's will feel if we put in Halo:CE's pistol.
This gun has a scope. Mabey if it didn't have a zoom, and if it fired slower, it would be acceptable, but in it's current form, it's a sin against multiplayer games everywhere.


Again, Halo isn't supposed to be played as a realistic shooter. Its just ment to be fun.

  • 05.10.2006 3:14 PM PDT
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I really dont understand how people can claim the pistol was to powerful. Considering the lack of LIVE and this populations hatred of tournament style play. I dont get where this feeling of imbalance is coming from. Did you decide the pistol was imba from playing with your little brother on split screen? How can you judge what will hapen if the pistol is introduced with very little first hand experiance.

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I bet most of the people who say the Pistol was unbalanced were the people that got onto XBC really late in the game. By the time most of these people started playing Halo 1 competetivly, everyone was miles ahead of them skill wise. If they just stuck it out and got better at the game, they would of loved the balance of Halo 1.

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I think most of the hatred at the pistol is just because of the history. If bungie were to include a completly new weapon with the exact charecteristics of the pistol there would be no problem.

  • 05.10.2006 3:24 PM PDT
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Read the books, and think a little, pistols can have a high magnum, and again it is a video game, I personaly, along with everyone who is a good player, loved the pistol and would love for Bungie to put in the stuff that made CE good and take out what made Halo 2 bad.

  • 05.10.2006 3:25 PM PDT
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If you guys are looking for a realistic game and are going "OMGA PISTOL 3 SHOT KILL ACROSS MAP I GET OWNED WTF", then you are playing the wrong game. Halo is not even in the slightest sense designed to be realistic. Wow, MC can take two clips of SMG bullets, but gets killed after two melees.

And the pistol was the reason H1 was played competetively.

  • 05.10.2006 3:39 PM PDT
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Skill! What skill!?! The thing had massive auto-aim, even when you zoomed in!

  • 05.10.2006 3:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Craigboy
Skill! What skill!?! The thing had massive auto-aim, even when you zoomed in!


What? I suggest you load up Halo 1 right now.

  • 05.10.2006 3:42 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I won't say that nobody likes it or nobody wants it back, because I don't speak for everyone here, but I will say that for every rabid pistol whore, there's another person who thinks that the BR is a balanced replacement to the pistol. We have a BR. Why do we need two of these weapons?

What defines skill more? 3 shots anywhere with the pistol, or three shots with the BR and a well placed headshot? No headshot would take about 7 shots. Now, what do you think is skill?

Of course, the BR doesn't balance the game like the pistol did, I will admit that. Then again, if everyone had "host" BR, it would balance the game almost as much as the pistol did.

So in actuality, the BR is a great balancing weapon, but only hosts or offline/LAN players can really see that.

Posted by: tomiesalami
So everyone here does not want to play a game that has skill? You just want halo2 weapons and NO CE style weapons?

You guys call yourselves gamers? Where is the competition when everything is dumbed down on your behalf? Honestly, you all are being pampered. If you dont know what I'm saying.. STOP and think about the differences between halo1 and 2 for 5 minutes.. DO NOT think about BULL-blam!- lines kids have said in the past to down talk halo1..

Halo1 skill > Halo2 Simpleton


If everything is dumbed down, everyone is on the same level, thus, there is still competition. It may be at a "dumbed down" level, but there's still competition.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 3:46 PM PDT
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The only reason I'd like to see the old pistol again is to get that giddy sensation from getting headshot after headshot on grunts.

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Posted by: Nedus
I won't say that nobody likes it or nobody wants it back, because I don't speak for everyone here, but I will say that for every rabid pistol whore, there's another person who thinks that the BR is a balanced replacement to the pistol. We have a BR. Why do we need two of these weapons?

What defines skill more? 3 shots anywhere with the pistol, or three shots with the BR and a well placed headshot? No headshot would take about 7 shots. Now, what do you think is skill?

Of course, the BR doesn't balance the game like the pistol did, I will admit that. Then again, if everyone had "host" BR, it would balance the game almost as much as the pistol did.

So in actuality, the BR is a great balancing weapon, but only hosts or offline/LAN players can really see that.

Posted by: tomiesalami
So everyone here does not want to play a game that has skill? You just want halo2 weapons and NO CE style weapons?

You guys call yourselves gamers? Where is the competition when everything is dumbed down on your behalf? Honestly, you all are being pampered. If you dont know what I'm saying.. STOP and think about the differences between halo1 and 2 for 5 minutes.. DO NOT think about BULL-blam!- lines kids have said in the past to down talk halo1..

Halo1 skill > Halo2 Simpleton


If everything is dumbed down, everyone is on the same level, thus, there is still competition. It may be at a "dumbed down" level, but there's still competition.


*claps*.................

  • 05.10.2006 3:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
I won't say that nobody likes it or nobody wants it back, because I don't speak for everyone here, but I will say that for every rabid pistol whore, there's another person who thinks that the BR is a balanced replacement to the pistol. We have a BR. Why do we need two of these weapons?

What defines skill more? 3 shots anywhere with the pistol, or three shots with the BR and a well placed headshot? No headshot would take about 7 shots. Now, what do you think is skill?

Of course, the BR doesn't balance the game like the pistol did, I will admit that. Then again, if everyone had "host" BR, it would balance the game almost as much as the pistol did.

So in actuality, the BR is a great balancing weapon, but only hosts or offline/LAN players can really see that.

Posted by: tomiesalami
So everyone here does not want to play a game that has skill? You just want halo2 weapons and NO CE style weapons?

You guys call yourselves gamers? Where is the competition when everything is dumbed down on your behalf? Honestly, you all are being pampered. If you dont know what I'm saying.. STOP and think about the differences between halo1 and 2 for 5 minutes.. DO NOT think about BULL-blam!- lines kids have said in the past to down talk halo1..

Halo1 skill > Halo2 Simpleton


If everything is dumbed down, everyone is on the same level, thus, there is still competition. It may be at a "dumbed down" level, but there's still competition.


You make it too easy....the pistol took three headshots, HEADSHOTS to kill. Shooting them "anywhere" took more. Here is yet another example of someone who probably never played Halo CE online, or not enough to know anything about it. Just another person repeating what others have said, and don't know first hand.

  • 05.10.2006 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
What defines skill more? 3 shots anywhere with the pistol, or three shots with the BR and a well placed headshot? No headshot would take about 7 shots. Now, what do you think is skill?


The pistol is 3 shot kill when you get the headshot and 6 if you get only body shots. If you don't even know a simple fact like that you have no right discussing anything in this thread.

Edit: Beat me to it!

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

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Posted by: Nedus
I won't say that nobody likes it or nobody wants it back, because I don't speak for everyone here, but I will say that for every rabid pistol whore, there's another person who thinks that the BR is a balanced replacement to the pistol. We have a BR. Why do we need two of these weapons?


How can you whore a weapon that was common as dirt. We *had* a pistol why do we need a BR.

What defines skill more? 3 shots anywhere with the pistol, or three shots with the BR and a well placed headshot? No headshot would take about 7 shots. Now, what do you think is skill?

It was much harder to get a head shot in halo: ce, and you should count how many body shots it takes to kill someone with a pistol. So it indeed takes more skill to use the pistol. This would not be the case for the LIVE pistol because it will have to be dummed down for gameplay during lagg.

Of course, the BR doesn't balance the game like the pistol did, I will admit that. Then again, if everyone had "host" BR, it would balance the game almost as much as the pistol did.
So in actuality, the BR is a great balancing weapon, but only hosts or offline/LAN players can really see that.


Even at a lan the BR does a worse job when compared to the pistol.

  • 05.10.2006 3:56 PM PDT

everyone definetly wants it because it as powerful at both close, medium, and long range!

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Foolish Mortal. You already have the old pistol back. Can't you tell? It's the battle riffle. It has 12 bursts, each of which do the same damage as one of the old pistol bullets. But yes, I do want the old pistol back. I severely miss it. Also, I love how they are bringing the old AR back.

  • 05.10.2006 3:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chewdleg
Foolish Mortal. You already have the old pistol back. Can't you tell? It's the battle riffle. It has 12 bursts, each of which do the same damage as one of the old pistol bullets. But yes, I do want the old pistol back. I severely miss it. Also, I love how they are bringing the old AR back.


Umm by my count the BR takes 4 bursts to kill while the pistol took 3 shots. 3 != 4

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Posted by: Nedus
I won't say that nobody likes it or nobody wants it back, because I don't speak for everyone here, but I will say that for every rabid pistol whore, there's another person who thinks that the BR is a balanced replacement to the pistol. We have a BR. Why do we need two of these weapons?

What defines skill more? 3 shots anywhere with the pistol, or three shots with the BR and a well placed headshot? No headshot would take about 7 shots. Now, what do you think is skill?

Of course, the BR doesn't balance the game like the pistol did, I will admit that. Then again, if everyone had "host" BR, it would balance the game almost as much as the pistol did.

So in actuality, the BR is a great balancing weapon, but only hosts or offline/LAN players can really see that.

Posted by: tomiesalami
So everyone here does not want to play a game that has skill? You just want halo2 weapons and NO CE style weapons?

You guys call yourselves gamers? Where is the competition when everything is dumbed down on your behalf? Honestly, you all are being pampered. If you dont know what I'm saying.. STOP and think about the differences between halo1 and 2 for 5 minutes.. DO NOT think about BULL-blam!- lines kids have said in the past to down talk halo1..

Halo1 skill > Halo2 Simpleton


If everything is dumbed down, everyone is on the same level, thus, there is still competition. It may be at a "dumbed down" level, but there's still competition.


*claps*.................


Let's put ourself in a situation where we are stabed in the side so it is a challenge to fight a retard. This reasoning completly undermines the thought of bettering ones self and advancing.

Two world class boxers fighting or one world class boxer dummed down so that a toddler can wreck him.

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Not to mention the slower rate of fire and the horrible accuracy. The BR effectively killed long range battles.

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Posted by: BLACKJACK green
Posted by: Nedus
I won't say that nobody likes it or nobody wants it back, because I don't speak for everyone here, but I will say that for every rabid pistol whore, there's another person who thinks that the BR is a balanced replacement to the pistol. We have a BR. Why do we need two of these weapons?

What defines skill more? 3 shots anywhere with the pistol, or three shots with the BR and a well placed headshot? No headshot would take about 7 shots. Now, what do you think is skill?

Of course, the BR doesn't balance the game like the pistol did, I will admit that. Then again, if everyone had "host" BR, it would balance the game almost as much as the pistol did.

So in actuality, the BR is a great balancing weapon, but only hosts or offline/LAN players can really see that.

Posted by: tomiesalami
So everyone here does not want to play a game that has skill? You just want halo2 weapons and NO CE style weapons?

You guys call yourselves gamers? Where is the competition when everything is dumbed down on your behalf? Honestly, you all are being pampered. If you dont know what I'm saying.. STOP and think about the differences between halo1 and 2 for 5 minutes.. DO NOT think about BULL-blam!- lines kids have said in the past to down talk halo1..

Halo1 skill > Halo2 Simpleton


If everything is dumbed down, everyone is on the same level, thus, there is still competition. It may be at a "dumbed down" level, but there's still competition.


*claps*.................


Let's put ourself in a situation where we are stabed in the side so it is a challenge to fight a retard. This reasoning completly undermines the thought of bettering ones self and advancing.

Two world class boxers fighting or one world class boxer dummed down so that a toddler can wreck him.


I don't care about that............I agree with some of his points and that is all.............

Besides, MP means -blam!- to me...........

  • 05.10.2006 4:02 PM PDT
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i think they should bring back the old look of the pistol and the way of reloading (modified to look good in better graphics).

the power of it should go back to what the magnum was like before the auto update that made duel weilding them go from good to totally usless ashaving one needler

  • 05.10.2006 4:03 PM PDT