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Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
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Posted by: ThreeShot
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You make it too easy....the pistol took three headshots, HEADSHOTS to kill. Shooting them "anywhere" took more. Here is yet another example of someone who probably never played Halo CE online, or not enough to know anything about it. Just another person repeating what others have said, and don't know first hand.


Actually, it didn't matter where the first two shots landed as long as the third was the headshot. You could hit two in the chest then one in the head and they die. Even if the first two hit in the foot and the last in the head they'd die. MC's shields will drop just as fast no matter where you shoot them.


He said three shots anywhere.

  • 05.10.2006 4:04 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Really? Are you sure? Do I have to tell you that I've been playing Halo 1 multiplayer and LAN since it came out? Sure, I may have only played it online a couple times, but that's because it was incredibly laggy.

It takes about 4-5 shots, max. It's been a while since I played Halo 1, but I'm about 90% sure. The BR takes about 7-8(more than the pistol, even if I'm wrong), so a headshot is almost required. The pistol also had a higher ROF.

It comes down to BR's requiring headshots(especially with those MLG players out there;deadly with their BRs) and pistols not no much.

Over LAN, there's lightning fast data transfer between Xbox consoles, which means everyone basically has host weapons. The BR fires 3 individual bullets, which means that if you shoot at a moving target fron the side, chances are only one or two of those bullets will hit.. This usually happens on XBL, so I can understand why you think the BR sucks. If you have host or play on a LAN, you'll see a big difference.

I've played both games MPs to death;don't try to tell me hat I know and what I don't know if YOU don't know anything. Try not to make assumptions about someone if you don't know them.

I'm not a "Halo 2 fanboi" or a "noob". I'm logical. When you look at the facts, the BR better fits MY OWN description of skill. Clearly, you have a different agenda, which I don't understand.

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Posted by: Nedus
Really? Are you sure? Do I have to tell you that I've been playing Halo 1 multiplayer and LAN since it came out? Sure, I may have only played it online a couple times, but that's because it was incredibly laggy.

It takes about 4-5 shots, max. It's been a while since I played Halo 1, but I'm about 90% sure. The BR takes about 7-8(more than the pistol, even if I'm wrong), so a headshot is almost required. The pistol also had a higher ROF.

It comes down to BR's requiring headshots(especially with those MLG players out there;deadly with their BRs) and pistols not no much.

Over LAN, there's lightning fast data transfer between Xbox consoles, which means everyone basically has host weapons. The BR fires 3 individual bullets, which means that if you shoot at a moving target fron the side, chances are only one or two of those bullets will hit.. This usually happens on XBL, so I can understand why you think the BR sucks. If you have host or play on a LAN, you'll see a big difference.

I've played both games MPs to death;don't try to tell me hat I know and what I don't know if YOU don't know anything. Try not to make assumptions about someone if you don't know them.

I'm not a "Halo 2 fanboi" or a "noob". I'm logical. When you look at the facts, the BR better fits MY OWN description of skill. Clearly, you have a different agenda, which I don't understand.


3 head shots = pistol

4 head shots = br

There is no more emphasis on the br's head shot then there is on the pistols.
The pistol kill relies more on the ability to get a head shot then the br's.

Go watch the older videos of the same MLG pros in halo 1, and then go find the quotes of them favoring the pistol.

This is not about the pros this is about normal people, and no one has said once that the BR sucks.

  • 05.10.2006 4:22 PM PDT
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question.

why are we asking bungie to bring anything back from halo 1 and 2?

why not just let them get on making their game with whatever weapons they want? like a futuristic elephant gun for example.

  • 05.10.2006 4:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: LarzPearson
question.

why are we asking bungie to bring anything back from halo 1 and 2?

why not just let them get on making their game with whatever weapons they want? like a futuristic elephant gun for example.


People loved the pistol, and when they see the AR brought back it re-opened the desire for the pistol.

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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
No one should ever be afraid of looking stupid, so long as they are making a rational effort to expand their understanding.

Posted by: tomiesalami
So everyone here does not want to play a game that has skill? You just want halo2 weapons and NO CE style weapons?

You guys call yourselves gamers? Where is the competition when everything is dumbed down on your behalf? Honestly, you all are being pampered. If you dont know what I'm saying.. STOP and think about the differences between halo1 and 2 for 5 minutes.. DO NOT think about BULL-blam!- lines kids have said in the past to down talk halo1..

Halo1 skill > Halo2 Simpleton

So you are only a gamer if you play to stroke your skills? You can't be a gamer if you play for fun? By this logic, anyone (like myself) who began with a 2600 back in '83 weren't "gaming" until we were pouring quarters into Mortal Kombat or running PC multiplayer titles. We realize that Halo's CE and 2 are different games, and we realize that there is a different fun factor between the two. Holding this opinion of CE > 2 isn't a pre-requisite for being a gamer, competitive, competent, or being able to know what we as individuals prefer in gaming. This is a hobby, and is to be enjoyed. Why don't you trust that people know what they like?

Posted by: Sporefrog
I bet most of the people who say the Pistol was unbalanced were the people that got onto XBC really late in the game. By the time most of these people started playing Halo 1 competetivly, everyone was miles ahead of them skill wise. If they just stuck it out and got better at the game, they would of loved the balance of Halo 1.

Ahhhh, the caricature. "If you don't agree with me than you are inexperienced." Son, it is ok for people to disagree with you, and it is ok for you to let go of your ego long enough to understand that playing well, or not playing well has absolutely nothing to do with any opinion regarding M6D.

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  • 05.10.2006 4:29 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

It comes down to Bungie doing what they want, which makes me wonder why I bothered trying to argue with you people.

The pistol probably won't be brought back, and I could care less.

Well said Darth. Indeed, nobody likes a skill obsessed jackhole. It basically means "Hey, I have good hand eye coordination!"

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  • 05.10.2006 4:30 PM PDT

everyone is pissed because they can't use an overpowered weapon to dominate everyone from newcomers to players below their skill. I do not want halo 3's combat to revolve around a ridiculously overpowered firearm. I am Glad that Bungie will not listen to these kinds of people

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bungie pwnz! let em do whatever they want. we all know deep down that the world could say h3 sucks and we still probably buy it to find out.

  • 05.10.2006 4:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: tomiesalami
So everyone here does not want to play a game that has skill? You just want halo2 weapons and NO CE style weapons?

You guys call yourselves gamers? Where is the competition when everything is dumbed down on your behalf? Honestly, you all are being pampered. If you dont know what I'm saying.. STOP and think about the differences between halo1 and 2 for 5 minutes.. DO NOT think about BULL-blam!- lines kids have said in the past to down talk halo1..

Halo1 skill > Halo2 Simpleton

So you are only a gamer if you play to stroke your skills? You can't be a gamer if you play for fun? By this logic, anyone (like myself) who began with a 2600 back in '83 weren't "gaming" until we were pouring quarters into Mortal Kombat or running PC multiplayer titles. We realize that Halo's CE and 2 are different games, and we realize that there is a different fun factor between the two. Holding this opinion of CE > 2 isn't a pre-requisite for being a gamer, competitive, competent, or being able to know what we as individuals prefer in gaming. This is a hobby, and is to be enjoyed. Why don't you trust that people know what they like?

Posted by: Sporefrog
I bet most of the people who say the Pistol was unbalanced were the people that got onto XBC really late in the game. By the time most of these people started playing Halo 1 competetivly, everyone was miles ahead of them skill wise. If they just stuck it out and got better at the game, they would of loved the balance of Halo 1.

Ahhhh, the caricature. "If you don't agree with me than you are inexperienced." Son, it is ok for people to disagree with you, and it is ok for you to let go of your ego long enough to understand that playing well, or not playing well has absolutely nothing to do with any opinion regarding M6D.


I knew this was coming...........and I thank you so much for it.................

  • 05.10.2006 4:35 PM PDT
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The pistol is 3 head shots and 6 body shots. Go load up halo 1 right now. And dude, don't get so defensive. You have to admit though, getting the number of head shots wrong doesn't make you seem all to credible. Its all about the Ethos dude.

  • 05.10.2006 4:37 PM PDT
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Skilled people know the most about the game...thats why they are better.

  • 05.10.2006 4:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lamp_post
everyone is pissed because they can't use an overpowered weapon to dominate everyone from newcomers to players below their skill. I do not want halo 3's combat to revolve around a ridiculously overpowered firearm. I am Glad that Bungie will not listen to these kinds of people


..... why is the pistol over powered.....

  • 05.10.2006 4:38 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I admit, I did get the number wrong. After a year or so, is it so unexpected? I would load up Halo 1 to see, but I have nobody to play with. My grandma doesn't play Halo.

Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.

At least you didn't go about calling me an idiot or a noob for forgetting an obscure number. You're one of those intelligent pistol lovers. Rare, they are.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

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What in the world are you trying to say?

You realize that if a game takes skill... then its a fun game. Basketball takes skill, but you as a simpleton can still enjoy playing it because you are playing with people relatively the same skill.

Its as if with Halo 2, you can't kill kids down hallways, its more like some wierd melee fest with 4 shots only coming on host more than 20 yards away. You need the pistol. Its relatively difficult to use the first couple times you pick up the game, but it enabled a map like Blood Gulch to work. You warp through on Coag, what do you do? You dont even fire at the kids that warped through the other side. Its not possible. Its a drag to waste an entire BR clip and BARELY get their shields. People felt the pistol was over powered, and it absolutely was. You can't fault Bungie for listening to its fans. But the problem is, people didn't forsee a pistol-less Halo 2. The big maps aren't fun. At all. Its difficult for people. Even SMALL maps become a drag because no one ever goes out in the open because you get whored from corners.

If you have any doubt in the drastic differences, try doing this. Play Halo 1, 2v2, 3 flag cap CTF on Blood Gulch. No radar, Pistol start. XBC, LAN, people all on the same TV, whatever.

After doing that, play Halo 2, 2v2, 3 flag cap, CTF on Coag. No radar, BR start. Even use the same people. Doesn't matter. You will notice a drastically different game because you instantaly have taken off the balance of the weapons by not having a weapon to equalize a sniper, and not being able to effectivly shoot people from a reasonable distance. If a warthog knows you are camping at spawn, and you have a BR. I garuntee that the warthog can get across map unscathed. I also garuntee that the only way you are going to kill a sniper is by pure luck, or he runs out of ammo. I also garuntee that you will not have nearly as much fun.

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Posted by: Nedus
I admit, I did get the number wrong. After a year or so, is it so unexpected? I would load up Halo 1 to see, but I have nobody to play with. My grandma doesn't play Halo.

Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.

At least you didn't go about calling me an idiot or a noob for forgetting an obscure number. You're one of those intelligent pistol lovers. Rare, they are.


I consider you load up halo anyway to remind your self of the aiming in halo it is much more difficult then in halo 2. The fact that the BR requires one more shot does not means it require more skill.

  • 05.10.2006 4:46 PM PDT
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1. What makes you think they'll listen to you?
2. Halo: Combat Evolved had no super-pumped-up lock on, so head shots with the M6D are harder
3. Have you gotten in the face of someone holding an M6D while have the MA5B? I almost always won.
4. Considering the type of ammo the M6D used, it is not overpowered.
5. I always chose the MA5B over the M6D in close combat, or in medium range.
6. The BR55 has too much lock on.

  • 05.10.2006 4:55 PM PDT
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Speculate all you want, the Halo CE pistol is NOT coming back. Seriously, they had the right idea in Halo 2 it just needed to be fleshed out some. Going back to Halo CE would be oh so innovative dontchathink?? WRONG

You're never getting a replica of your old pistol, ever.

  • 05.10.2006 4:55 PM PDT

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I admit, I did get the number wrong. After a year or so, is it so unexpected? I would load up Halo 1 to see, but I have nobody to play with. My grandma doesn't play Halo.

Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.

At least you didn't go about calling me an idiot or a noob for forgetting an obscure number. You're one of those intelligent pistol lovers. Rare, they are.


I consider you load up halo anyway to remind your self of the aiming in halo it is much more difficult then in halo 2. The fact that the BR requires one more shot does not means it require more skill.


To me, the aiming is the same. If you find it difficult, then that's you individually.

The pistol and BR both have their ups and downs. Let's look at them.

Pistol

-Higher ROF

-More powerful(If you all are right, 6 shots to kill, even though I remember it taking like 4-5)

-No reliance on connection in online games.


Battle Rifle

-Slower ROF

-Less powerful(At least 7-8 body shots to kill, or three body and one head)

-Relies on connection in terms of power and accuracy. On XBL, a host can use a BR across Colossus with no loss in power or accuracy, but everyone else suffers low accuracy and crap damage. Also, the three bullet burst isn't as effective when shooting a horizontally moving target, as only 1-2 bullets will connect.

Generally, XBL is where you use the BR against others, where skill actually counts. I take into consideration the effects of connection and things like that when I compare the two.

When on a LAN, the BR is like the pistol, in that three shots will pierce the shields, but is still weaker in terms of bodily damage. On XBL, this holds true, but is a bit harder at medium to long range. You have to lead your shots so they walk into the bullets.

Please, consider all of those points, Now do you still think the pistol "takes more skill"?

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

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The pistol was ahead of its time. Retro is innovative if you want to go by that train of thought.

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Posted by: Nedus
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Posted by: Nedus
I admit, I did get the number wrong. After a year or so, is it so unexpected? I would load up Halo 1 to see, but I have nobody to play with. My grandma doesn't play Halo.

Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.

At least you didn't go about calling me an idiot or a noob for forgetting an obscure number. You're one of those intelligent pistol lovers. Rare, they are.


I consider you load up halo anyway to remind your self of the aiming in halo it is much more difficult then in halo 2. The fact that the BR requires one more shot does not means it require more skill.


To me, the aiming is the same. If you find it difficult, then that's you individually.

The pistol and BR both have their ups and downs. Let's look at them.

Pistol

-Higher ROF

-More powerful(If you all are right, 6 shots to kill, even though I remember it taking like 4-5)

-No reliance on connection in online games.


Battle Rifle

-Slower ROF

-Less powerful(At least 7-8 body shots to kill, or three body and one head)

-Relies on connection in terms of power and accuracy. On XBL, a host can use a BR across Colossus with no loss in power or accuracy, but everyone else suffers low accuracy and crap damage. Also, the three bullet burst isn't as effective when shooting a horizontally moving target, as only 1-2 bullets will connect.

Generally, XBL is where you use the BR against others, where skill actually counts. I take into consideration the effects of connection and things like that when I compare the two.

When on a LAN, the BR is like the pistol, in that three shots will pierce the shields, but is still weaker in terms of bodily damage. On XBL, this holds true, but is a bit harder at medium to long range. You have to lead your shots so they walk into the bullets.

Please, consider all of those points, Now do you still think the pistol "takes more skill"?


It is common knowledge the aiming was less forgiving in halo: ce. The fact that the BR relies on connection is not a redeeming factor. You had to lead shots with the pistol even on a lan.

In fact the three round burst is harmful to the case of the BR. People wanted the BR as it was shown in the demo, with 1 shot zoom in.

I will look up all the things about halo1 aiming vs halo2 and post when i find.

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  • 05.10.2006 5:05 PM PDT
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Guys and girls this game takes place in 2552 or later nothing will be known about the weapons in the future that is why nothing has to be "realistic" to now. Heck there may be a two shot lock on rocket launcher or strong pistol that can fire long range. I know that you want the game to be good but leave it to the pros that have made the two best games ever. So let them do their job and make thiis game sweet because if we want it out on time next year you cant do everything exactly or the game would never be made so Bungie keep doing what you are doing and make this great game with surprises.

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The pistol was ahead of its time. Retro is innovative if you want to go by that train of thought.

A valid point. But then they would have to re-scale all the weapon damage to adjust to that ol pistol feel if you know what I mean. Retro would/could be innovative.. if you had the masses screaming bloody murder at Bungie's front door, I think that they were doing something right in Halo 2 with the pistol. That being said it could use some minor tweaking in my opinion.

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