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Posted by: otterboyz

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Do the words KINETIC BARRIERS mean anything to you, otterboyz?

A rock would just bounce off. Guess what the UNSC mainly uses... KINETIC WEAPONRY!

Thel vs Shepard would be a better matchup.


It's funny because the KINETIC BARRIERS only activate when something is going fast enough e.g the near light speed of the round which the masseffect universe uses. I'm not even sure that the shields would activate against something traveling at 850 m/s.

Proof of the statement that Kinetic barriers only activate when something is detected on a collision course with the suit while flying at a high speed...

Until you have proof, I will assume that it's on all the time, you know, because the freaking HUD shows it is.


I remember reading something in the books to that effect, but I don't think it was so simple.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: otterboyz
Out of all the Sci-fi universes Masseffect is probably one of the weakest ones.

Even their super-duper ancient civilization is inferior to some basic things out there.

Any spartan could throw a rock and kill Shepperd, even with all that badass those shields need a tune up.


Do the words KINETIC BARRIERS mean anything to you, otterboyz?

A rock would just bounce off. Guess what the UNSC mainly uses... KINETIC WEAPONRY!

Thel vs Shepard would be a better matchup.


Once again. Kinetic barrier can be overwhelmed by kinetic weapons if it is powerful enough. For instance, even UNSC Frigate's MAC can punch through ME's KE barriers because of higher firepower.

Kinetic Barrier also can be bypassed by slow motion objects such as a rock traveling 850 m/s. So, I'm pretty sure that MC throwing a rock will kill Shepard.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: otterboyz

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Do the words KINETIC BARRIERS mean anything to you, otterboyz?

A rock would just bounce off. Guess what the UNSC mainly uses... KINETIC WEAPONRY!

Thel vs Shepard would be a better matchup.


It's funny because the KINETIC BARRIERS only activate when something is going fast enough e.g the near light speed of the round which the masseffect universe uses. I'm not even sure that the shields would activate against something traveling at 850 m/s.

Proof of the statement that Kinetic barriers only activate when something is detected on a collision course with the suit while flying at a high speed...

Until you have proof, I will assume that it's on all the time, you know, because the freaking HUD shows it is.


I remember reading something in the books to that effect, but I don't think it was so simple.

Does anybody have a copy of Mass Effect (1 or 2) and can look at the codex description of kinetic barriers?

  • 12.26.2011 3:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Elder Bias

Kinetic Barrier also can be bypassed by slow motion objects such as a rock traveling 850 m/s. So, I'm pretty sure that MC throwing a rock will kill Shepard.

So this rock will somehow ignore the kinetic barrier, penetrate the N7 armor, and lodge in a vital area of Shepard's body?

  • 12.26.2011 3:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: EGO SUM OPTIMUS
This didn't take long


I was just waiting for someone to say that. :P

It's the law, and it's one I intend to stick to!


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Elder Bias

Kinetic Barrier also can be bypassed by slow motion objects such as a rock traveling 850 m/s. So, I'm pretty sure that MC throwing a rock will kill Shepard.

So this rock will somehow ignore the kinetic barrier, penetrate the N7 armor, and lodge in a vital area of Shepard's body?


Depends on the size of the rock...

For example, let's look at Ghosts of Onyx. The Onyx Sentinels had a form of 'kinetic' shields where high-velocity objects were deflected but rocks were effectively used to destroy the construct.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 4:02 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 3:59 PM PDT

I'm sure Halo's shields work on a similar principle, or Master Chief wouldn't be able to sit down.

  • 12.26.2011 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm sure Halo's shields work on a similar principle, or Master Chief wouldn't be able to sit down.


Likely. Although, I think that there's a bit in First Strike where he was going through a narrow shaft and had to disable his shields for some reason.

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Posted by: EGO SUM OPTIMUS
This didn't take long


I was just waiting for someone to say that. :P

It's the law, and it's one I intend to stick to!


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Elder Bias

Kinetic Barrier also can be bypassed by slow motion objects such as a rock traveling 850 m/s. So, I'm pretty sure that MC throwing a rock will kill Shepard.

So this rock will somehow ignore the kinetic barrier, penetrate the N7 armor, and lodge in a vital area of Shepard's body?


Depends on the size of the rock...

For example, let's look at Ghosts of Onyx. The Onyx Sentinels had a form of 'kinetic' shields where high-velocity objects were deflected but rocks were effectively used to destroy the construct.

Onyx Sentinel shields =/= Mass Effect kinetic barriers.

I'm a Halo fan and I'm forced to try and defend Shep... it wouldn't be as simple as tossing a rock at Cmdr Shepard.

  • 12.26.2011 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Onyx Sentinel shields =/= Mass Effect kinetic barriers.

I'm a Halo fan and I'm forced to try and defend Shep... it wouldn't be as simple as tossing a rock at Cmdr Shepard.


I'm not saying that they're the same, I'm saying that they operate the same way. The Mass Effect Codex says:
"These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles."

This means that things like Plasma weaponry and rocks would be unaffected by a kinetic barrier, as they repel small objects at high velocities, they've got no protection against heat (as is evidenced in ME1 when you get heat and radiation level warnings on uncharted worlds) so it most certainly would be as simple as tossing some rocks at Shep.

  • 12.26.2011 4:17 PM PDT

That's assuming Shepard would be standing there like a lamppost. As shown by Lair of the Shadow Broker, something being bigger and stronger than him doesn't give him pause.

Also, biotics would wreck Chief if Shepard possessed them. I also think Mass Effect technology would tear through Halo's shields, seeing as how even regular bullets can.

I'd like to see a Garrus vs Arbiter. That'd be pretty epic. Arbiter would have (command over the battle of) Reach, but Garrus would have flexibility.

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Master Chief and Shepard have very similar shields. Master Chief's, however, are always on, but with adjustable differences. Even in shields strength they are on the same level(megajoules). However, the biggest determinate here is the weapon strength. In Mass Effect, they use Element Zero to propel very small projectiles(around the size of a small pebble) at insane velocitys. Their pistol has roughly the firepower of a modern .50 caliber rifle(12.5 Kilojoules). This is 3x-10x the strength of the M6D. While each of their shields will be able to tank a fair amount of these rounds, the fact that shepards do more gives him the clear advantage at range.

In H2H is a different story. While Shepard is well-trained and has had some minor augmentations, Master Chief is faster, stronger, and cannot be grappled effectively(Because his shields are always on, you cannot grab hold of him, well at least not easily, as evident by his zero-gee fight over Reach with the Elite). Not to mention more H2H training, well, at least most likely.

So to me this is a tie. While ranged is the biggest factor, Master Chief posseses enough speed, training, and stealth to close the gap and get up close without too much trouble, where he can dominate in H2H.

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A point about Biotics. Master chief weighs about Half a ton(with armor). Shepard would not have the biotic strength to do anything effectively. It would take an Asari or a fully trained human biotic. Shepard's default class is soldier, which has very little in the form of biotic abilities.

  • 12.26.2011 4:35 PM PDT

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The Arbiter would kill both of 'em.

  • 12.26.2011 5:26 PM PDT

How about read, or if you can't handle reading then listen to, the ingame codex article on the kinetic barriers in either ME:1 or ME:2.

"These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair."

Direct quote.

  • 12.27.2011 11:36 PM PDT

Why are you here?

I wouldn't know cause I don't play Mass Effect, but the poll does seem a little biased against MC.

  • 12.27.2011 11:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Before we go any further, let us look at the facts:

Lieutenant Commander David Shepard
Age: 31
Rank: Lieutenant Commander
Height: Around 6'
Weight: Between 170 and 210 pounds.
History:
- Single-handedly held off a Batarian assault on the Human Colony of Elysium during the Skyllian Blitz.
- Attained Vocational Grade of N7, the highest degree of special operations training in the Systems Alliance Navy, making him the most elite of the elite.
- Became the first Human Spectre, Spectres being operatives who prove themselves to be the 'best of the best of their species'
- Destroyed Sovereign, a 2 km Reaper dreadnought, killed interstellar terrorist and vigilante Saren, also an elite Spectre agent.
- Was killed, and, cheating death, is then rebuilt two years later in apex physical condition.
- Took down interstellar power broker with armies at his fingertips known as the Shadow Broker.
- Stopped a rogue AI from escaping a planet and causing a technological apocalypse.
- Went on a 'Suicidal Mission', taking down a Collector Army, destroying a second Reaper in its embryonic stage (over 1,000 feet), and successfully escaped the blast radius with his entire team intact (or some if you were dumb and didn't do their loyalty missions)
- Stopped a Reaper invasion just hours before their arrival.
- Defended Earth, Sur'Kesh, Thessia, Tuchanka, and countless other species homeworlds from a Reaper invasion. (Presumed for Mass Effect 3)
Abilities:
- Superhuman Strength
- Superhuman Speed and Reflexes (Soldier)
- Biotics/Dark Energy Manipulation (Adept/Vanguard/Sentinel)
- Omni-Tool Various Attacks (Engineer/Infiltrator/Sentinel)
- Cloaking Systems (Infiltrator)
- Singularity Vortex (Adept)
- Power Armor, Nearly Indestructible (Sentinel)
- Combat Drone (Engineer)
- Biotic Charge (Vanguard)
Equipment:
- Combat Hard Suits and Kinetic Barriers
- Omni-Tool
- Biotic Amp, L5 or L5x

Master Chief Petty Officer John-117
Age: 41
Height: 6'10
Weight: 230-250 pounds (excluding ceramic ossification augments)
History:
- Fought against Insurrectionists for a few battles before encountering the Covenant.
- Fought briefly during the Battle of Reach, before being transported to the Pillar of Autumn for evac.
- Fought against the Flood and then destroyed the Halo ring to stop them, escaping.
- Took out a 2km long Assault Carrier.
- Killed the Prophet of Regret, a physically frail race of despotic leaders among the Covenant.
- Participated in the Battle of Earth, leading an assault which eventually resulted in a whole being punched in the aerial defenses, leading to the Battle of the Ark.
- Master Chief and the Arbiter lead an attack to take down the Prophet of Truth, eventually he is found and they launch an assault on the Citadel. Taking out two Scarabs, the Master Chief and Arbiter fight their way to the Prophet with the assistance of the Flood, Arbiter then executes Truth.
- Master Chief and the Arbiter save Cortana from the Gravemind, and launch an assault on the second Installation to light the ring and destroy the Flood. Eventually the ring falls apart, but the trio escape.
- Master Chief and Cortana uncover a Forerunner world and discover a threat of untold magnitude (Halo 4)
Abilities:
- Superhuman Strength
- Superhuman Speed and Reflexes
Equipment:
- MJOLNIR Armor, Energy Shielding

So now, we boil it down to this one question... can Master Chief even get close to Shepard before he rips the Chief apart with a whirlwind of Biotic energy? Think about it...

An no, there will be no poll, I find them to be misleading in regard to the actual conversation/debate/argument at hand.

Super human tactics and super human stealth.


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Isn't the canonical Shepard male name John? Just wondering.


Officially there is no canon Shepard yet.

Female, male, name. It's never been stated.


I agree with that Shepard is easily a better leader. Like Kurt, Shepard gets to know those under his/her command for one thing.


Of course, Shepard can, in his/her default loadout, carry a mini-nuke launcher :). My personal one always carried a Black Widow, a sniper rifle that'd tear a human's arm off if fired from anything but a secured, supported prone position. Of course, she fired it standing or crouched.


Master chief can also handle a tac nuke.



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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: otterboyz
Out of all the Sci-fi universes Masseffect is probably one of the weakest ones.

Even their super-duper ancient civilization is inferior to some basic things out there.

Any spartan could throw a rock and kill Shepperd, even with all that badass those shields need a tune up.


Do the words KINETIC BARRIERS mean anything to you, otterboyz?

A rock would just bounce off. Guess what the UNSC mainly uses... KINETIC WEAPONRY!

Thel vs Shepard would be a better matchup.


Once again. Kinetic barrier can be overwhelmed by kinetic weapons if it is powerful enough. For instance, even UNSC Frigate's MAC can punch through ME's KE barriers because of higher firepower.

Kinetic Barrier also can be bypassed by slow motion objects such as a rock traveling 850 m/s. So, I'm pretty sure that MC throwing a rock will kill Shepard.


Lol one hit from MC would kill shepard.



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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Onyx Sentinel shields =/= Mass Effect kinetic barriers.

I'm a Halo fan and I'm forced to try and defend Shep... it wouldn't be as simple as tossing a rock at Cmdr Shepard.


I'm not saying that they're the same, I'm saying that they operate the same way. The Mass Effect Codex says:
"These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles."

This means that things like Plasma weaponry and rocks would be unaffected by a kinetic barrier, as they repel small objects at high velocities, they've got no protection against heat (as is evidenced in ME1 when you get heat and radiation level warnings on uncharted worlds) so it most certainly would be as simple as tossing some rocks at Shep.

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Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
I wouldn't know cause I don't play Mass Effect, but the poll does seem a little biased against MC.


You sure ?

  • 12.28.2011 1:44 AM PDT

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This didn't take long

Nice to see someone else knows about it

  • 12.28.2011 3:05 AM PDT

Super human tactics and super human stealth.

Yes, but if I list this for John (as I am assuming you meant), I would also have to list it for Shepard, as his tactics in the end, have resulted in the destruction of the Collectors, the Shadow Broker, and an entire solar system. I think you are heavily underestimating David here. ;)

[Edited on 12.28.2011 6:18 PM PST]

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Super human tactics and super human stealth.

Yes, but if I list this for John (as I am assuming you meant), I would also have to list it for Shepard, as his tactics in the end, have resulted in the destruction of the Collectors, the Shadow Broker, and an entire solar system. I think you are heavily underestimating David here. ;)


None of that is relevant to his physical strength whatsoever.

He wouldn't last in a room unarmed against a krogan so why are you suggesting he would fair better against a spartan?

Chief would move too fast for Shepard to do anything about it.

  • 12.28.2011 6:24 PM PDT

At range, Shepard might have a chance, but not likely. CQC = Shepard pulverized.

  • 12.28.2011 6:35 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
He wouldn't last in a room unarmed against a krogan so why are you suggesting he would fair better against a spartan?

Chief would move too fast for Shepard to do anything about it.


You can fight like a krogan you can run like a leopard but you'll never be better than Commander Shepard.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

lol

  • 12.28.2011 6:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
He wouldn't last in a room unarmed against a krogan so why are you suggesting he would fair better against a spartan?

Chief would move too fast for Shepard to do anything about it.


You can fight like a krogan you can run like a leopard but you'll never be better than Commander Shepard.


'Tis true my good friend 'tis true.

Also, some other good vids demonstrating Shepard's prowess in close-quarters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkrVh8juNRE&NR=1&featu re=endscreen - 7:50 in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIp-1SyhSb4 - 3:30 in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-xb1NjhpL0 - 2:43 in

[Edited on 12.29.2011 9:26 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2011 9:02 AM PDT

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Why is the OP so biased?

SHEPARD:

reams and reams of tactical, specific knowledge and well researched info

Chief:

Some knowledge, albeit dumbed down (fought a FEW insurrection missions did he? Spent 20 years waiting for the covenant to appear then i assume), no mention of the rigorous training, mission specific victories (unless able to make the victory sound feeble/a fluke) and a much more informal tone throughout - "MasTur Ch33f & Arbitur went to a ring and destroyed it and this and that etc..."


Plus, you fail to mention Shepard's strength lies with his team. Obviously he is skilled, i'm not contesting that, but without his team he'd have been a lot less successful. That's not a criticism, just an observation, Chief has blue team and a near bottomless ONI budget so fair is fair.

  • 12.29.2011 10:39 AM PDT