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Subject: LCDR David Shepard vs MCPO John-117

I don't understand how people think Shepard could possibly win. Fundamentally, Chief is stronger, faster, smarter and better trained then Shepard. Though Shep's weapons are obviously more advanced, do you really think his shields would be able to handle a ton or two of force per punch? Or would he really be able to hit him, as he's running at 80-100+ KPH with armor on?

Yes, he has biotics, but if Biotics were as powerful as they'd need to be to kill the Chief, then any Biotic player in the games should win by default.

OP is also assuming we're rolling all possible Shepard characters into one. Alright then; John would get Cortana and every weapon possible.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Super human tactics and super human stealth.

Yes, but if I list this for John (as I am assuming you meant), I would also have to list it for Shepard, as his tactics in the end, have resulted in the destruction of the Collectors, the Shadow Broker, and an entire solar system. I think you are heavily underestimating David here. ;)


Ignoring the fact none of that has anything to do with his super human strength or speed (of which neither of seen any proof of, despite having played through both games twice; if they are present, they are light years away from being anywhere close to the Master Chief's super human abilities, even without armor), just because Master Chief is listed as having super human strength and speed does not automatically mean Shepard must be listed as having the same traits.

If I recall, his strength and speed is boosted only as a soldier class. So, you're giving him the Soldier's benefits. In that case, he has no infiltrator or Biotic powers, or any of the other classes. Pick a Shepard and run with it, don't roll all of them into one. That's extreme bias.

[Edited on 12.29.2011 11:06 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2011 11:00 AM PDT

anyone else think a LOT of crap in Mass Effect was copied off of Halo?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
anyone else think a LOT of crap in Mass Effect was copied off of Halo?


Implying halo didn't get majority of it's elements from older universes.

  • 12.29.2011 11:07 AM PDT


Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
anyone else think a LOT of crap in Mass Effect was copied off of Halo?


A lot from Halo was copied from Ringworld. It's very hard to find a completely original sci-fi. Mass Effect is a modern Star Trek, Halo, a military take on Ringworld and Culture.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Mass Effect is a modern Star Trek.


I honestly feel like that goes to halo.

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Chief and Shepard join up because they realize it's foolish to fight, and they go off happily ever after killing reapers and flood.

The End

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Your coup..

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Mass Effect is a modern Star Trek.


I honestly feel like that goes to halo.


You must not have paid too much attention to Star Trek. Or Halo, hard to tell. Either way, everything falls back to Trek or Star Wars depending on which you prefer. It's easy to compare science fiction universes either way though.

More to the topic at hand though, I would think that in hand to hand MC would probably be the better option, with Shephard as the guy you want leading your military into battle.

[Edited on 12.29.2011 1:26 PM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: The Kangol Kid

You must not have paid too much attention to Star Trek.


I have a very good connection with star trek, i prefer it over starwars (which i have a connection with also).

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Just point out some things about Mass Effect and Halo shields. ME shields only activate when they detect something moving quickly which is why they can sit down on chairs and not have their shields activate. MJOLNIR shields are on all the time as stated in TFoR. Chief has to deactivate/weaken the shields around his hands and feet to move properly.

I think Chief will win because he could just lob a grenade from a grenade launcher at Shep. The grenade will be traveling to slow to activate Shep's barriers. If the blast doesn't drop Shep's barriers the heat from the grenade will definitely hurt him.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Xd00999
Just point out some things about Mass Effect and Halo shields. ME shields only activate when they detect something moving quickly which is why they can sit down on chairs and not have their shields activate. MJOLNIR shields are on all the time as stated in TFoR. Chief has to deactivate/weaken the shields around his hands and feet to move properly.

I think Chief will win because he could just lob a grenade from a grenade launcher at Shep. The grenade will be traveling to slow to activate Shep's barriers. If the blast doesn't drop Shep's barriers the heat from the grenade will definitely hurt him.


Not to mention they are only kinetic barriers, plasma would ignore it as would an exceedingly fast move.

  • 12.29.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Except that Shepard would simply tire of Chief's disingenuous assertions and (RT!). That'd be the end of that.

  • 12.29.2011 2:51 PM PDT

It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

This. OP isn't objective. Which is fine, since there are some relatively intelligent people providing the information that the OP conveniently left out.
But I couldn't help but laugh at the OP's thought that he was making a different, unique thread, but it's just another biased versus thread.
Posted by: The Dutchman
Why is the OP so biased?

SHEPARD:

reams and reams of tactical, specific knowledge and well researched info

Chief:

Some knowledge, albeit dumbed down (fought a FEW insurrection missions did he? Spent 20 years waiting for the covenant to appear then i assume), no mention of the rigorous training, mission specific victories (unless able to make the victory sound feeble/a fluke) and a much more informal tone throughout - "MasTur Ch33f & Arbitur went to a ring and destroyed it and this and that etc..."


Plus, you fail to mention Shepard's strength lies with his team. Obviously he is skilled, i'm not contesting that, but without his team he'd have been a lot less successful. That's not a criticism, just an observation, Chief has blue team and a near bottomless ONI budget so fair is fair.

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Wtf MC is 41 ._.

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Posted by: Xd00999
Just point out some things about Mass Effect and Halo shields. ME shields only activate when they detect something moving quickly which is why they can sit down on chairs and not have their shields activate. MJOLNIR shields are on all the time as stated in TFoR. Chief has to deactivate/weaken the shields around his hands and feet to move properly.

I think Chief will win because he could just lob a grenade from a grenade launcher at Shep. The grenade will be traveling to slow to activate Shep's barriers. If the blast doesn't drop Shep's barriers the heat from the grenade will definitely hurt him.


All Shepard has to do is erect a Biotic barrier and he's good to go. Not to mention if he were ever caught in close quarters, surely you saw the videos I posted btw demonstrating his physical prowess, he would simply have to use a little biotics to give him the extra kick to match the Master Chief easily.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

What was the point of making this thread if you will say shepard will 1 up chief everytime?

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: Xd00999
Just point out some things about Mass Effect and Halo shields. ME shields only activate when they detect something moving quickly which is why they can sit down on chairs and not have their shields activate. MJOLNIR shields are on all the time as stated in TFoR. Chief has to deactivate/weaken the shields around his hands and feet to move properly.

I think Chief will win because he could just lob a grenade from a grenade launcher at Shep. The grenade will be traveling to slow to activate Shep's barriers. If the blast doesn't drop Shep's barriers the heat from the grenade will definitely hurt him.


All Shepard has to do is erect a Biotic barrier and he's good to go. Not to mention if he were ever caught in close quarters, surely you saw the videos I posted btw demonstrating his physical prowess, he would simply have to use a little biotics to give him the extra kick to match the Master Chief easily.







Posted by: grey101
What was the point of making this thread if you will say shepard will 1 up chief everytime?

  • 12.30.2011 1:12 AM PDT

Because of your childish reasoning, and trolling arguments that hold no weight, I can conclude Chief wins (atleast in Hand to Hand combat).

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I'd say Master Chief would win because he has superior augmentations, a much superior intellect as well as that his suit is far more advanced. Also is this hand to hand combat because if so John would crush Shephard so easily.

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Posted by: DaTsmartkiDD
Wtf MC is 41 ._.
Biologically yes. However, accounting for the fact he has spent around 20 years of his life in cryo sleep, he is technically around 20 years old.

  • 12.30.2011 10:48 AM PDT

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Master Chief is taller than 6'10.
He is around 7'.

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: Xd00999
Just point out some things about Mass Effect and Halo shields. ME shields only activate when they detect something moving quickly which is why they can sit down on chairs and not have their shields activate. MJOLNIR shields are on all the time as stated in TFoR. Chief has to deactivate/weaken the shields around his hands and feet to move properly.

I think Chief will win because he could just lob a grenade from a grenade launcher at Shep. The grenade will be traveling to slow to activate Shep's barriers. If the blast doesn't drop Shep's barriers the heat from the grenade will definitely hurt him.


All Shepard has to do is erect a Biotic barrier and he's good to go. Not to mention if he were ever caught in close quarters, surely you saw the videos I posted btw demonstrating his physical prowess, he would simply have to use a little biotics to give him the extra kick to match the Master Chief easily.


Shepard would need the Biotic ability of someone like Samara, Jack, or Miranda to create a biotic barrier of any significant strength. Otherwise it would simply be slightly more protection that doesn't matter anyways.

And surely you've read TFoR. We see Chief take on 3 ODSTs in H2H and kill them without even realizing it. Then, in the MJOLNIR Mark V test, after ODSTs had set up around him, he was able to leap down and took the entire squad out of commision in the time that 1 ODsT could get off a 3 round burst.

The Biotics would only give him a small strength increase, and would still leave Master Chief stronger, faster, smarter, and better trained.

  • 12.30.2011 11:35 AM PDT

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: Xd00999
Just point out some things about Mass Effect and Halo shields. ME shields only activate when they detect something moving quickly which is why they can sit down on chairs and not have their shields activate. MJOLNIR shields are on all the time as stated in TFoR. Chief has to deactivate/weaken the shields around his hands and feet to move properly.

I think Chief will win because he could just lob a grenade from a grenade launcher at Shep. The grenade will be traveling to slow to activate Shep's barriers. If the blast doesn't drop Shep's barriers the heat from the grenade will definitely hurt him.


All Shepard has to do is erect a Biotic barrier and he's good to go. Not to mention if he were ever caught in close quarters, surely you saw the videos I posted btw demonstrating his physical prowess, he would simply have to use a little biotics to give him the extra kick to match the Master Chief easily.


Shepard would need the Biotic ability of someone like Samara, Jack, or Miranda to create a biotic barrier of any significant strength. Otherwise it would simply be slightly more protection that doesn't matter anyways.

And surely you've read TFoR. We see Chief take on 3 ODSTs in H2H and kill them without even realizing it. Then, in the MJOLNIR Mark V test, after ODSTs had set up around him, he was able to leap down and took the entire squad out of commision in the time that 1 ODsT could get off a 3 round burst.

The Biotics would only give him a small strength increase, and would still leave Master Chief stronger, faster, smarter, and better trained.


In the videos I posted, the first one up he took out an entire squad of Krogan, in the next one he sends a Turian flying across the room, probably killing him in the process, and in the final video he personally takes on a Yagh, which mind you, is roughly 10 feet tall and probably weighs about the same as a Hunter, in hand to hand combat, and manages to beat him back. Master Chief, being only 7 feet tall, and weighing about ten times less, I am sure it wouldn't take much for Shepard to knock him on his ass, quite easily might I add. Not to mention in the fight with the Shadow Broker Shepard uses NO BIOTICS AT ALL. Now imagine with the extra boost of Biotics. Master Chief is a dead Spartan.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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I doubt a Yagh weights over 10,000 pounds, you are really assuming right there. I don't remember shepard,ever going hand to hand with the thing either. Not to mention this is a horrible example since it was a close quarters boss battle. Lets see him fight one or multiple without the help of it being a boss battle.

  • 12.30.2011 1:10 PM PDT

Shepard in hand-to-hand combat with Yahg - 3:20 in

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