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Subject: LCDR David Shepard vs MCPO John-117

Well when you put a warship against a single man, the outcome is always obvious. Let's just keep it 1v1 on the ground.

  • 12.30.2011 2:36 PM PDT

Posted by: superiorarsenal
Biotics tend not to work well when the enemy has shields and weighs half a ton.


There is an omni-tool for that. And I am sure with L5x implants 995 pounds shouldn't be a problem seeing as how in the game one can lift Krogan with ease, which in Mass Effect Revelation are said to weigh up to 2,000 fully armored.

[Edited on 12.30.2011 2:37 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2011 2:37 PM PDT

I have to agree with Pred on this. Gillian was only just a girl and lifted a heavy forklift onto two guards. So Chief might be failed around. But biotics can only use a few attacks before they have to recharge.

  • 12.30.2011 2:39 PM PDT

Posted by: ThatOneJedi
I have to agree with Pred on this. Gillian was only just a girl and lifted a heavy forklift onto two guards. So Chief might be failed around. But biotics can only use a few attacks before they have to recharge.


This is true. Shepard would have to be extremely diligent and careful with this foe, which I am sure he would be, since he does fight opponents on Master Chief's level of physical prowess daily.

  • 12.30.2011 2:40 PM PDT
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Except Shepard isn't a full blown Biotic. Also, i've never seen him throw Krogans around. All I see is him nocking them to the ground. Not to mention they don't use energy shielding, which seems to give biotic abilities a bit of an issue.

  • 12.30.2011 2:44 PM PDT
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Actually, the canon/default Shepard is Soldier class, which doesn't really have any biotic abilities.

  • 12.30.2011 2:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: ThatOneJedi
I have to agree with Pred on this. Gillian was only just a girl and lifted a heavy forklift onto two guards. So Chief might be failed around. But biotics can only use a few attacks before they have to recharge.


This is true. Shepard would have to be extremely diligent and careful with this foe, which I am sure he would be, since he does fight opponents on Master Chief's level of physical prowess daily.


No he doesn't, the closest thing in ME that could match the physical prowess of John would be a krogan. John is much faster than Shepard, his reaction time is 300% faster than any other human, 'Spartan time' allows for a similar effect to Adrenaline Rush in ME2 where time slows down.

Whilst Shepard could crush John with a Singularity, he'd have a very tough time getting John to stand still, it'd be especially hard for him to successfully do this whilst he's being fired at.

  • 12.30.2011 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Do we really need more of these threads?

Well, you see, I am actually trying to spark an intelligent debate, and rather than beginning with a post of Who would win?, I decided to start with a rather intelligent, fact-based OP, in hopes it would spawn intelligent fact-based discussion. So I took it in a different direction, well, hopefully. I am a bit skeptical to be honest.
Well OP, thanks for admitting that you're a try hard but the bigger question is, who cares?

  • 12.30.2011 2:54 PM PDT

In-universe, biotics aren't actually that practical -- most humans can fire one singularity at most and then they're absolutely drained.

It's only anomalies like Gillain or Jack, or Reaper-enhanced people like Grayson who can put Yoda to shame.

  • 12.30.2011 2:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
In-universe, biotics aren't actually that practical -- most humans can fire one singularity at most and then they're absolutely drained.

It's only anomalies like Gillain or Jack, or Reaper-enhanced people like Grayson who can put Yoda to shame.


Lol nice Wolver. But yea even with all this, Chief would come up top in my opinion though it would be a hard won fight.

  • 12.30.2011 3:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Wolverfrog
In-universe, biotics aren't actually that practical -- most humans can fire one singularity at most and then they're absolutely drained.

It's only anomalies like Gillain or Jack, or Reaper-enhanced people like Grayson who can put Yoda to shame.


Part of the Lazarus project included Reaper tech...

  • 12.31.2011 3:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: superiorarsenal
Biotics tend not to work well when the enemy has shields and weighs half a ton.


There is an omni-tool for that. And I am sure with L5x implants 995 pounds shouldn't be a problem seeing as how in the game one can lift Krogan with ease, which in Mass Effect Revelation are said to weigh up to 2,000 kg fully armored.


And chief can flip a tank weighting 40 tons.
Game wise...Thought i heard shephard has no cannon...so i decided to enter the game plot.

And cannon wise....cheif can flip a warthog weighting 3.5 +tons.

  • 12.31.2011 4:38 AM PDT

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: superiorarsenal
Biotics tend not to work well when the enemy has shields and weighs half a ton.


There is an omni-tool for that. And I am sure with L5x implants 995 pounds shouldn't be a problem seeing as how in the game one can lift Krogan with ease, which in Mass Effect Revelation are said to weigh up to 2,000 kg fully armored.


And chief can flip a tank weighting 40 tons.
Game wise...Thought i heard shephard has no cannon...so i decided to enter the game plot.

And cannon wise....cheif can flip a warthog weighting 3.5 +tons.


Well even disregarded the gameplay biotics can still lift 2,000 pound Krogan, or send them flying back with blasts of Biotic energy, as seen in Retribution and Ascension. Seeing as how Master Chief weighs 990 pounds fully armored, not even half of what a Krogan can weigh fully armored, he wouldn't need much biotic power to put down

  • 12.31.2011 5:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: ThatOneJedi
I have to agree with Pred on this. Gillian was only just a girl and lifted a heavy forklift onto two guards. So Chief might be failed around. But biotics can only use a few attacks before they have to recharge.


This is true. Shepard would have to be extremely diligent and careful with this foe, which I am sure he would be, since he does fight opponents on Master Chief's level of physical prowess daily.


No he doesn't, the closest thing in ME that could match the physical prowess of John would be a krogan. John is much faster than Shepard, his reaction time is 300% faster than any other human, 'Spartan time' allows for a similar effect to Adrenaline Rush in ME2 where time slows down.

Whilst Shepard could crush John with a Singularity, he'd have a very tough time getting John to stand still, it'd be especially hard for him to successfully do this whilst he's being fired at.


But like you said, that wouldn't be very hard with maxed out Adrenaline Rush, which I can assure you, does indeed exist canonically outside of gameplay.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Adrenaline_Rush

And, no. Shepard has killed multiple Thresher Maws, at least one on foot. Reapers, as seen in Mass Effect 3. Scion Husks and Praetorians, each of which would easily crush Master Chief in a physical confrontation. Not to mention the Shadow Broker, who would also be able to physically best Master Chief.

  • 12.31.2011 5:49 AM PDT
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Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit

With John's luck Shepard's biotic amp would fail and Chief would smack him silly.

I jest.

  • 12.31.2011 5:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Snake Archer
With John's luck Shepard's biotic amp would fail and Chief would smack him silly.

I jest.


That would be a funny comic sketch poking fun at the MC fan base who always recite that one Cortana quote at the beginning of Halo 3 every time somebody says someone or another can defeat him.

His luck backfires on him somehow...

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  • 12.31.2011 6:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
But like you said, that wouldn't be very hard with maxed out Adrenaline Rush, which I can assure you, does indeed exist canonically outside of gameplay.


Your evidence? Adrenaline Rush doesn't appear in the books at all, none of the Soldier classes in the game use it. Only Shepard has it and it's just something that makes the Soldier class worth something more than the guns you carry.

And, no. Shepard has killed multiple Thresher Maws, at least one on foot.

So what? He used guns, not his fists. Thresher Maws have 1 attack, spitting some acid goo at you, they're not that impressive in-gameplay.

Reapers, as seen in Mass Effect 3.

lolwut? In all released footage from ME3, Shepard hasn't destroyed any Reapers. In fact, Shepard hasn't killed any Reapers at all, he just took down Sovereign's shields and allowed the Alliane to fire all their guns at it.

Scion Husks and Praetorians, each of which would easily crush Master Chief in a physical confrontation. Not to mention the Shadow Broker, who would also be able to physically best Master Chief.

No. Scions are near-stationary enemies with 1 gun attatched to their shoulder, they wouldn't be able to move fast enough to catch John at all. Likewise with Praetorians, they have a beam attack which is easy to evade (with John's heightened speed it would be much easier) and an explosive attack that only works short range.

As for the Shadow Broker, he landed a few punches but was smashed aside every time. It was only because of Liara that he beat the Broker.

You seem to be going by what Shepard does in-gameplay. Well look at what John has done, slaughtered entire legions of competant Covenant soldiers, Honour Guards and even single-handedly infiltrated High Charity and wiped out the 4 Hunters, 6 Ultras/Councillors etc in the Mausoleum. Then went back alone when the station was completely infested with Flood and escaped unscathed.

Not to mention that he was directly responsible for the destruction of 2 Halos and the Ark.

  • 12.31.2011 7:11 AM PDT
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I just saw a green monkey nut shot a small tan lizard(?) in a gunny sack.

Hand to hand? Chief, no contest. I don't even need to begin to explain it.

Weaponry? Shepard. I mean, in ME1 they basically said that the technology was advanced enough to essentially do away ammunition, everything was just shaved off of a metal block in the gun. Not to mention the ability to upgrade with different damage modifiers.

Shepard does hold the advantage of biotics. I don't think Chief would last very long if they were used against him.

  • 12.31.2011 8:23 AM PDT
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I have come to notice that plasma rifles are included.
No figgin chance that hey would survive.
Plasma:
wikipedia:
Very high temperatures are usually needed to sustain ionization, which is a defining feature of a plasma.

A plasma is sometimes referred to as being "hot" if it is nearly fully ionized, or "cold" if only a small fraction (for example 1%) of the gas molecules are ionized, but other definitions of the terms "hot plasma" and "cold plasma" are common. Even in a "cold" plasma, the electron temperature is still typically several thousand degrees Celsius.

A single plasma rifle can shoot throught titanium A battlecruiser armour.
I bet shephards armour would not withstand a starship breaking ammo...Im not even talking about beam rifle.

  • 12.31.2011 12:42 PM PDT

Halo plasma =/= real life plasma. Shepard's armour is designed to withstand bullets accelerated to near-light-speed via mass effect, incidentally.

It's tough.

  • 12.31.2011 12:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: FTW 1997

A single plasma rifle can shoot throught titanium A battlecruiser armour.
starship breaking

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

Give ONE instance of a T51 Directed Energy Rifle (or any Covenant infantry weapon, save the Fuel Rod Cannon) being able to shoot through the hull, bulkheads, or walls of a UNSC warship. Please.

  • 12.31.2011 1:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: ThatOneJedi
I have to agree with Pred on this. Gillian was only just a girl and lifted a heavy forklift onto two guards. So Chief might be failed around. But biotics can only use a few attacks before they have to recharge.


This is true. Shepard would have to be extremely diligent and careful with this foe, which I am sure he would be, since he does fight opponents on Master Chief's level of physical prowess daily.


No he doesn't, the closest thing in ME that could match the physical prowess of John would be a krogan. John is much faster than Shepard, his reaction time is 300% faster than any other human, 'Spartan time' allows for a similar effect to Adrenaline Rush in ME2 where time slows down.

Whilst Shepard could crush John with a Singularity, he'd have a very tough time getting John to stand still, it'd be especially hard for him to successfully do this whilst he's being fired at.


But like you said, that wouldn't be very hard with maxed out Adrenaline Rush, which I can assure you, does indeed exist canonically outside of gameplay.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Adrenaline_Rush

And, no. Shepard has killed multiple Thresher Maws, at least one on foot. Reapers, as seen in Mass Effect 3. Scion Husks and Praetorians, each of which would easily crush Master Chief in a physical confrontation. Not to mention the Shadow Broker, who would also be able to physically best Master Chief.


So you are giving Shepard ALL abilities from ALL classes? May I remind you, canon/default is soldier Shepard, and has barely any biotics(I think concussive shot) and that is it.

The majority of Maws he killed were killed via Mako. The other one wasn't even near full capability. It couldn't even get up close and was only using slow-moving acid-goo like attacks that are easy to dodge.

Mass Effect 3 hasn't come out yet, so no, we have not seen Shepard kill any Reapers yet. The closest feats are disabling the shields on Soveriegn, and letting an entire fleet finish it off, and killing the equivelent of a Reaper fetus. It's not like Chief has blown up something bigger than that, oh wait, he has......

Scions are no where near Chief's physical ability. The Scion is slow moving, and anyone that can run 10mph could evade it with ease. Praetorians would be a threat, but are overall not that impressive.

Shepard was doing very little against the Shadow Broker. His best punches barely phased it. He would have died if Liara wasn't there to smash him with all that energy stuff.

@Matt
I beilieve Elites did it in CE/The Flood in the Cryo-observation room. They shot through the doors and burst in. I also think they did it in the Halo 2 boarding of Cairo station, but i'm not sure if that was rifles or some sort of breaching tool.

  • 12.31.2011 1:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: FTW 1997

A single plasma rifle can shoot throught titanium A battlecruiser armour.
starship breaking

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

Give ONE instance of a T51 Directed Energy Rifle (or any Covenant infantry weapon, save the Fuel Rod Cannon) being able to shoot through the hull, bulkheads, or walls of a UNSC warship. Please.

The whole concept of plasma is it is so hot that it melts metal before even touching it.
One thing i can refer in halo right now is that chief armour is titanium alloy cover....and he gets hurt easly...thought this is gameplay....simply in real life ....or books his armour would instantly melt....just like in tFor.

  • 12.31.2011 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Lt.Cmd David Shepard?

It's John Shepard to begin with.

This, although I called him David after myself.

  • 12.31.2011 1:54 PM PDT
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"Awesomeness will ensue..."

BEN SPARTAN120

To me this conversation is like comparing the Australian SAS with the US NavySEALS: Pointless.

Personal preference rather than logic rules this discussion the same as a certain thread regarding MCPO 117 and NOBLE Six.

Each has their strengths and weaknesses and unless the unthinkable ever happens there is no fair way- outside of having a person who has never played Halo or Mass Effect to compare the two characters- to settle this discussion.

I will offer my opinion however, as I enjoy both Halo and Mass Effect:

-Master Chief is effectively a NavySEAL.
-Shepherd is an average grunt [Thats the truth of it folks]

You do the math.

If you stripped away all the fancy tech and augmentations, I'd still wager that John, and Not Shepherd, would win on the premise of training and physical capability.

Don't believe me? Go pick a fight with a grunt, then if you live through that, go pick a fight with an Operative and tell me what hurt more?

  • 12.31.2011 4:32 PM PDT