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Posted by: spartan120
To me this conversation is like comparing the Australian SAS with the US NavySEALS: Pointless.

Personal preference rather than logic rules this discussion the same as a certain thread regarding MCPO 117 and NOBLE Six.

Each has their strengths and weaknesses and unless the unthinkable ever happens there is no fair way- outside of having a person who has never played Halo or Mass Effect to compare the two characters- to settle this discussion.

I will offer my opinion however, as I enjoy both Halo and Mass Effect:

-Master Chief is effectively a NavySEAL.
-Shepherd is an average grunt [Thats the truth of it folks]

You do the math.

If you stripped away all the fancy tech and augmentations, I'd still wager that John, and Not Shepherd, would win on the premise of training and physical capability.

Don't believe me? Go pick a fight with a grunt, then if you live through that, go pick a fight with an Operative and tell me what hurt more?


Shepard is special forces/spectre. HOWEVER, he doesn't have the same level of training or physical abilities that Master chief has. A better comparison would be a Navy SEAL(Shepard) vs. a super soldier(Master Chief).

  • 12.31.2011 5:11 PM PDT

Well, personally I like my shepard more then Master Chief. (Btw, it's commander, not lt commander <_<)

And, seeing as mine is an infiltrator, aka a sniper, I'd wager Chief would be downed/fired on before he can know he's being fought. I've had fun times in Mass Effect sniping foes at extreme, extreme ranges.

Shepard is a more capable leader IMO.

Chief does have physical abilities though (If we don't count Shepard lifting a Turian or Krogan with one hand aka end of ME2).

And the fact Shepard's standard loadout could include basically a mini-nuke launcher, a black hole projector... I wonder how chief would react to being yoinked into the air by that projectile...

  • 12.31.2011 5:20 PM PDT
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Preference much?


Posted by: superiorarsenal

Shepard is special forces/spectre. HOWEVER, he doesn't have the same level of training or physical abilities that Master chief has. A better comparison would be a Navy SEAL(Shepard) vs. a super soldier(Master Chief).


No.

Do your research friend.

Spectre's are not Special Forces per se, more like space cops with access to everything.

Shepherd was not an operator, he was a grunt [foot soldier/infantry]. I'm basing my point off of the stock standard Shepherd and furthermore, I'm basing my point in reality, given that the Halo Universe and the Mass Effect Universe are two different things and each have their own rules.

Spartans ARE NavySEALs/Delta [insert renound special forces here]

Shepherd/Spectre's are NOT.

EDIT: Stock-standard is not what is being discussed per se, however the concept that Shepherd is a soldier remains a valid point. In the event that there were standard modern weapons, no armour or specially augmented abilities, therein lies the keystone of my argument.


[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:37 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 5:29 PM PDT
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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Are you aware of anything about Spectres? They are the best of the best selected FROM various special forces. Shepard also has N7 Training, which is essentially the special forces of the Alliance. Spectres, in most cases, are SUPERIOR to special forces. At one time there are less than 100, due to the fact that they only select the best, most highly trained, highly skilled individuals.

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Are you aware of anything about Spectres? They are the best of the best selected FROM various special forces. Shepard also has N7 Training, which is essentially the special forces of the Alliance. Spectres, in most cases, are SUPERIOR to special forces. At one time there are less than 100, due to the fact that they only select the best, most highly trained, highly skilled individuals.


Candidates for the Spectres typically have years of military or law enforcement experience before even being considered. The screening process involves background checks, psychological evaluations, and a long period of field training under an experienced mentor.

As found Here

At no point in the game do I recall undergoing any special training to become a Spectre. The decision to make Shepherd a Spectre was part Human Council pressure part field experience on Shepherd's part.

Given that, there is still a distinct difference between MCPO 117 and Shepherd.

Perhaps upon revision, a better comparison between the two would be:

MCPO John-117- NavySEAL/Delta/[Insert renowned special forces here]

Shepherd- Force Recon Marine [based upon the N7 fact]

[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:47 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 5:44 PM PDT

Spartan 120, when did I ever imply my post wasn't preference?


Also, I am missing where in the heck you get this "Shepard is a mere grunt" idea from.

Let's look at any of the three choices of background eh? None of those are "mere grunt" actions. Or since when do mere Grunts become galaxy-wide known?

Spectre's are recognized ANYWHERE in the galaxy. Hell, Novira (spelling <_<) doesn't recognize citadel law, but they obey what a Spectre says. I doubt the people who get in are your typical cops or grunt foot soldiers.

  • 12.31.2011 6:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
(Btw, it's commander, not lt commander <_<)


Actually, it is Lieutenant Commander. Otherwise in Mass Effect 1, Shepard would be the one giving Captain Anderson orders.

  • 12.31.2011 6:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Spartan 120, when did I ever imply my post wasn't preference?


Also, I am missing where in the heck you get this "Shepard is a mere grunt" idea from.

Let's look at any of the three choices of background eh? None of those are "mere grunt" actions. Or since when do mere Grunts become galaxy-wide known?

Spectre's are recognized ANYWHERE in the galaxy. Hell, Novira (spelling <_<) doesn't recognize citadel law, but they obey what a Spectre says. I doubt the people who get in are your typical cops or grunt foot soldiers.


You take things waaay too seriously amigo.

He's a front-line troop, a ground pounder hence the term 'Grunt' [although grunt implies infantry, I thought it summarised the character reasonably well].

And what do you have against grunts? Who's to say they can't become famous?

And Spartan's [after the program went public] were famous across human inhabited space. What does fame or presence have to do with anything?

Maybe if you actually read what I said, then offer an opinion...

First though, try and relax a bit, you seem very tense.

  • 12.31.2011 6:20 PM PDT

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The thing to keep in mind is that Master Chief was altered and trained from the time he was what, 5 or 6 years old? Shephard held the highest specialization for a HUMAN special forces unit before becoming a SPECTRE, but was an adult before he even joined the military. Based on the Mass Effect universe, Salarian Special Forces or Asari Commandos are the cream of the crop in the galaxy and the fact Shephard was really only made a SPECTRE just to bring humans into the fold, I would have to lean toward Master Chief as far as comparing them as single combatants.

  • 12.31.2011 6:25 PM PDT


Posted by: spartan120

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Spartan 120, when did I ever imply my post wasn't preference?


Also, I am missing where in the heck you get this "Shepard is a mere grunt" idea from.

Let's look at any of the three choices of background eh? None of those are "mere grunt" actions. Or since when do mere Grunts become galaxy-wide known?

Spectre's are recognized ANYWHERE in the galaxy. Hell, Novira (spelling <_<) doesn't recognize citadel law, but they obey what a Spectre says. I doubt the people who get in are your typical cops or grunt foot soldiers.


You take things waaay too seriously amigo.

He's a front-line troop, a ground pounder hence the term 'Grunt' [although grunt implies infantry, I thought it summarised the character reasonably well].

And what do you have against grunts? Who's to say they can't become famous?

And Spartan's [after the program went public] were famous across human inhabited space. What does fame or presence have to do with anything?

Maybe if you actually read what I said, then offer an opinion...

First though, try and relax a bit, you seem very tense.


Shepard is not infantry.

He is not a front line troop.

N7 is the highest combat proficiency any soldier can attain in the Alliance military, making him the best of the best. I can also bet he most likely received special genetic implants and/or enhancements due to this as well. In the Mass Effect universe soldiers are bred and genetically engineered to be the apex of their species as far as combat goes. I wouldn't be surprised if an average Alliance marine held his own against a SPARTAN. The only thing Master Chief has over Shepard physically is his sheer body mass and even that can be used against him.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: spartan120

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Spartan 120, when did I ever imply my post wasn't preference?


Also, I am missing where in the heck you get this "Shepard is a mere grunt" idea from.

Let's look at any of the three choices of background eh? None of those are "mere grunt" actions. Or since when do mere Grunts become galaxy-wide known?

Spectre's are recognized ANYWHERE in the galaxy. Hell, Novira (spelling <_<) doesn't recognize citadel law, but they obey what a Spectre says. I doubt the people who get in are your typical cops or grunt foot soldiers.


You take things waaay too seriously amigo.

He's a front-line troop, a ground pounder hence the term 'Grunt' [although grunt implies infantry, I thought it summarised the character reasonably well].

And what do you have against grunts? Who's to say they can't become famous?

And Spartan's [after the program went public] were famous across human inhabited space. What does fame or presence have to do with anything?

Maybe if you actually read what I said, then offer an opinion...

First though, try and relax a bit, you seem very tense.


Shepard is not infantry.

He is not a front line troop.

N7 is the highest combat proficiency any soldier can attain in the Alliance military, making him the best of the best. I can also bet he most likely received special genetic implants and/or enhancements due to this as well. In the Mass Effect universe soldiers are bred and genetically engineered to be the apex of their species as far as combat goes. I wouldn't be surprised if an average Alliance marine held his own against a SPARTAN. The only thing Master Chief has over Shepard physically is his sheer body mass and even that can be used against him.


You are assuming and exaggerating far too much.

  • 01.02.2012 1:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: spartan120

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Spartan 120, when did I ever imply my post wasn't preference?


Also, I am missing where in the heck you get this "Shepard is a mere grunt" idea from.

Let's look at any of the three choices of background eh? None of those are "mere grunt" actions. Or since when do mere Grunts become galaxy-wide known?

Spectre's are recognized ANYWHERE in the galaxy. Hell, Novira (spelling <_<) doesn't recognize citadel law, but they obey what a Spectre says. I doubt the people who get in are your typical cops or grunt foot soldiers.


You take things waaay too seriously amigo.

He's a front-line troop, a ground pounder hence the term 'Grunt' [although grunt implies infantry, I thought it summarised the character reasonably well].

And what do you have against grunts? Who's to say they can't become famous?

And Spartan's [after the program went public] were famous across human inhabited space. What does fame or presence have to do with anything?

Maybe if you actually read what I said, then offer an opinion...

First though, try and relax a bit, you seem very tense.


Shepard is not infantry.

He is not a front line troop.

N7 is the highest combat proficiency any soldier can attain in the Alliance military, making him the best of the best. I can also bet he most likely received special genetic implants and/or enhancements due to this as well. In the Mass Effect universe soldiers are bred and genetically engineered to be the apex of their species as far as combat goes. I wouldn't be surprised if an average Alliance marine held his own against a SPARTAN. The only thing Master Chief has over Shepard physically is his sheer body mass and even that can be used against him.


check this out


Even if a marine is genetecaly modified (not true) that dosent mean he is better than a spartan.
Spartans had more than 15 years of brutal if not insane training.
They where agumented with the freaking things that make them almost invincible ...without pain killers.
They where selected, having the best genes a human can have.
These three things are enough to pwn your specter like this

  • 01.02.2012 1:47 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: spartan120

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Spartan 120, when did I ever imply my post wasn't preference?


Also, I am missing where in the heck you get this "Shepard is a mere grunt" idea from.

Let's look at any of the three choices of background eh? None of those are "mere grunt" actions. Or since when do mere Grunts become galaxy-wide known?

Spectre's are recognized ANYWHERE in the galaxy. Hell, Novira (spelling <_<) doesn't recognize citadel law, but they obey what a Spectre says. I doubt the people who get in are your typical cops or grunt foot soldiers.


You take things waaay too seriously amigo.

He's a front-line troop, a ground pounder hence the term 'Grunt' [although grunt implies infantry, I thought it summarised the character reasonably well].

And what do you have against grunts? Who's to say they can't become famous?

And Spartan's [after the program went public] were famous across human inhabited space. What does fame or presence have to do with anything?

Maybe if you actually read what I said, then offer an opinion...

First though, try and relax a bit, you seem very tense.


Shepard is not infantry.

He is not a front line troop.

N7 is the highest combat proficiency any soldier can attain in the Alliance military, making him the best of the best. I can also bet he most likely received special genetic implants and/or enhancements due to this as well. In the Mass Effect universe soldiers are bred and genetically engineered to be the apex of their species as far as combat goes. I wouldn't be surprised if an average Alliance marine held his own against a SPARTAN. The only thing Master Chief has over Shepard physically is his sheer body mass and even that can be used against him.


You are assuming and exaggerating far too much.


Any solid evidence to back up your statement?

  • 01.03.2012 4:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I have to give "evidence" of you assuming and exaggerating? wow.

"N7 is the highest combat proficiency any soldier can attain in the Alliance military, making him the best of the best."

Seeing how He isn't the first to get that designation nor is he the only one that is exaggerated. not to mention it isn't like the universe is expanded enough for us to compare.

"I can also bet he most likely received special genetic implants and/or enhancements


A clear assumption.

"In the Mass Effect universe soldiers are bred and genetically engineered to be the apex of their species as far as combat goes."

Can i get a link saying they were bred genetically? I don't ever recall that being brought up. Last time i check in all storylines shepard was born a normal human and just ended up going military.

I figure this is you exaggerating.

"I wouldn't be surprised if an average Alliance marine held his own against a SPARTAN."

Clear exaggeration and sheer stupidity.

"The only thing Master Chief has over Shepard physically is his sheer body mass and even that can be used against him.

The Fact he is a spartan which includes his augmentations and decades of combat experience. The only thing shepard would have on chief is biotics,even then it is debatable if he could really do much since it would take alot of power.



I notice that you are also using the Mass Effect 2 shepard with reaper tech in order to try evening the odds instead of the "regular" shepard. You giving him biotics and using that against everything also shows that you are biased,childish.


  • 01.03.2012 4:37 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
I have to give "evidence" of you assuming and exaggerating? wow.

"N7 is the highest combat proficiency any soldier can attain in the Alliance military, making him the best of the best."

Seeing how He isn't the first to get that designation nor is he the only one that is exaggerated. not to mention it isn't like the universe is expanded enough for us to compare.

"I can also bet he most likely received special genetic implants and/or enhancements


A clear assumption.

"In the Mass Effect universe soldiers are bred and genetically engineered to be the apex of their species as far as combat goes."

Can i get a link saying they were bred genetically? I don't ever recall that being brought up. Last time i check in all storylines shepard was born a normal human and just ended up going military.

I figure this is you exaggerating.

"I wouldn't be surprised if an average Alliance marine held his own against a SPARTAN."

Clear exaggeration and sheer stupidity.

"The only thing Master Chief has over Shepard physically is his sheer body mass and even that can be used against him.

The Fact he is a spartan which includes his augmentations and decades of combat experience. The only thing shepard would have on chief is biotics,even then it is debatable if he could really do much since it would take alot of power.



I notice that you are also using the Mass Effect 2 shepard with reaper tech in order to try evening the odds instead of the "regular" shepard. You giving him biotics and using that against everything also shows that you are biased,childish.




You still haven't proven anything.

  • 01.13.2012 6:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Of course you aren't going to have the capacity to admit you are bias and trying to drag this out in shepards failing favor.

  • 01.13.2012 6:27 PM PDT

The only way to ever prove this is to have both of them fight, which will never happen.

  • 01.13.2012 6:28 PM PDT

Posted by: ThatOneJedi
The only way to ever prove this is to have both of them fight, which will never happen.


Yeah you're probably right about that. Even thought we may provide valid points and reasonable assumptions, the biased ones will always attempt to call us out with useless and futile rhetoric. Not you, somebody else in particular.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: ThatOneJedi
The only way to ever prove this is to have both of them fight, which will never happen.


Yeah you're probably right about that. Even thought we may provide valid points and reasonable assumptions, the biased ones will always attempt to call us out with useless and futile rhetoric. Not you, somebody else in particular.


Please tell me how i am biased when you clearly are using biotics as a shield despite the fact that isn't holding up.

I am the least bias person on this damn forum and if i ever was bias about something i clearly state that i might be.

  • 01.13.2012 6:39 PM PDT

Shepard is human, a very talented human but still human. You would describe him as the highest special force.
Master Chief is a Super Human trained from a young age for combat. You would describe him as above normal human special forces.

Biotics really on line of sight and seems to work (mostly) in the same way as projectiles. It would not be the hardest thing the combat, if it was, Biotics would rule the Mass Effect world an no one would appose them.

Kinetic Barriers, very powerful. But they were oddly open to the reapers attacks of firing molten slag. Why, there like that because they activate when something of a certain speed is going to impact. (Very similar to the sentinels shields for anyone who isn't into eh mass effect Universe.) This would mean the slower moving projectile of Plasma would be devastating.

The Master Chiefs shields are a constant, they don't go until they pop or he turns them off.

Key things about both shields, If they take enough Kinetic damage, they pop.

Both are the best of there Universe but the Master Chief has a clear advantage, the only potential threat is Biotics. However, Having a advantage doesn't mean you will win, it makes you more likely to win.

So my answer to you question is the Master Chief is more likely to win.




[Edited on 01.14.2012 2:41 AM PST]

  • 01.14.2012 2:24 AM PDT

Forgot to add in my previous posts about my personal shepard.

You know the Black Widow? Fairly sure it's an anti-APC/tank round it fires.

  • 01.14.2012 3:22 AM PDT

Everyone has at least some bias. These kind of arguments always lead to fanboy vs fanboy. grey101 has been one of, if the most, neutral one in the discussion. We should just let this forum die and let people make their own decisions on who would win in their heads.

  • 01.14.2012 7:23 AM PDT

Posted by: ThatOneJedi
Everyone has at least some bias. These kind of arguments always lead to fanboy vs fanboy. grey101 has been one of, if the most, neutral one in the discussion. We should just let this forum die and let people make their own decisions on who would win in their heads.


Nah he's just trying to piss me off like he always does, but I agree, it seems to have come to a stalemate, and should be let die with dignity before grey taints it further with his childish remarks.

  • 01.14.2012 9:16 AM PDT

Posted by: jonesy90000

Both are the best of there Universe but the Master Chief has a clear advantage, the only potential threat is Biotics. However, Having a advantage doesn't mean you will win, it makes you more likely to win.

So my answer to you question is the Master Chief is more likely to win.




No, having an advantage does mean you are more likely to win, not the other way around.

Forgot to add in my previous posts about my personal shepard.

You know the Black Widow? Fairly sure it's an anti-APC/tank round it fires.


Yep, indeed it is. Fires a 38 kilogram slug, one shot from that would most likely be a confirmed kill.

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  • 01.14.2012 9:18 AM PDT

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Master Chief would win he just needs to sit on him master chief weighs half a ton. Am a ME fan too i have ME 1 and 2.


BTW if you move slow moving objects at Shep it would hit him you -blam!- idiots.

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  • 01.14.2012 10:07 AM PDT