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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: jonesy90000

Both are the best of there Universe but the Master Chief has a clear advantage, the only potential threat is Biotics. However, Having a advantage doesn't mean you will win, it makes you more likely to win.

So my answer to you question is the Master Chief is more likely to win.




No, having an advantage does mean you are more likely to win, not the other way around.

Forgot to add in my previous posts about my personal shepard.

You know the Black Widow? Fairly sure it's an anti-APC/tank round it fires.


Yep, indeed it is. Fires a 38 kilogram slug, one shot from that would most likely be a confirmed kill.



are you stupid? having an advantage means your more than likely to win it.

  • 01.14.2012 10:11 AM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: ThatOneJedi
Everyone has at least some bias. These kind of arguments always lead to fanboy vs fanboy. grey101 has been one of, if the most, neutral one in the discussion. We should just let this forum die and let people make their own decisions on who would win in their heads.


Nah he's just trying to piss me off like he always does, but I agree, it seems to have come to a stalemate, and should be let die with dignity before grey taints it further with his childish remarks.


I love how you really think i am treating you differently out of anybody else.

Oh really?

  • 01.14.2012 11:09 AM PDT


Posted by: majorkayd3n117
Master Chief would win he just needs to sit on him master chief weighs half a ton. Am a ME fan too i have ME 1 and 2.


BTW if you move slow moving objects at Shep it would hit him you -blam!- idiots.


BTW if you throw slow moving objects at Shepard he/she would simply move out of the way.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

The Prophet of Regret doesn't seem too frail when he's blasting the crap out of you with a heavy plasma beam cannon. If Chief has Mark VII, a Spartan Laser, an M6D, and two SMGs, Shepard be screwed.

  • 01.14.2012 12:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
The Prophet of Regret doesn't seem too frail when he's blasting the crap out of you with a heavy plasma beam cannon. If Chief has Mark VII, a Spartan Laser, an M6D, and two SMGs, Shepard be screwed.


Why would chief be decked out so heavily?

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
The Prophet of Regret doesn't seem too frail when he's blasting the crap out of you with a heavy plasma beam cannon. If Chief has Mark VII, a Spartan Laser, an M6D, and two SMGs, Shepard be screwed.


Why would chief be decked out so heavily?


Well, considering he's going up against a guy with a gun that shoots a tank killing missile and Biotics, why WOULDN'T he be?

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: jonesy90000

Both are the best of there Universe but the Master Chief has a clear advantage, the only potential threat is Biotics. However, Having a advantage doesn't mean you will win, it makes you more likely to win.

So my answer to you question is the Master Chief is more likely to win.




No, having an advantage does mean you are more likely to win, not the other way around.

Forgot to add in my previous posts about my personal shepard.

You know the Black Widow? Fairly sure it's an anti-APC/tank round it fires.


Yep, indeed it is. Fires a 38 kilogram slug, one shot from that would most likely be a confirmed kill.


Ummmmm, wrong.

Its name is the Widow, and is similar to the stanchion from Halo. ME weapons work by accelerating tiny tiny metal shavings to insane velocities. Basically projectiles the size of a few grains of sand. They most likely weigh around 0.1 gram.

A 38 kilogram slug? Do you know how much that weighs? 38 kilograms would be close to 90 pounds. That alone outweighs the rifle that would be fireing it, and since a clip size is 10 for the Widow, you would be carrying 900lbs IN ONE CHARGE.

The CLOSEST weapon that fires a weight like that is th Cain, which fires a 25 GRAM slug at 5km/s. The KE on the round alone is about 300kJ, but it is assumed that it is packed full of some super explosive.

  • 01.14.2012 5:48 PM PDT

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So now, we boil it down to this one question... Can master Chief hit him in the eye with a sniper rifle before his biotic -blam!- misses him?

  • 01.14.2012 8:59 PM PDT

Posted by: majorkayd3n117

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: jonesy90000

Both are the best of there Universe but the Master Chief has a clear advantage, the only potential threat is Biotics. However, Having a advantage doesn't mean you will win, it makes you more likely to win.

So my answer to you question is the Master Chief is more likely to win.




No, having an advantage does mean you are more likely to win, not the other way around.

Forgot to add in my previous posts about my personal shepard.

You know the Black Widow? Fairly sure it's an anti-APC/tank round it fires.


Yep, indeed it is. Fires a 38 kilogram slug, one shot from that would most likely be a confirmed kill.



are you stupid? having an advantage means your more than likely to win it.


Looks who's trying to fit in... that's what I was saying you dolt, so you are basically agreeing with me.

  • 01.15.2012 10:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
So now, we boil it down to this one question... Can master Chief hit him in the eye with a sniper rifle before his biotic -blam!- misses him?


Probably not.
Uses barrier - deflects bullets.

Or, if he's a Soldier.
Uses adrenaline rush - dodges bullet.

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
So now, we boil it down to this one question... Can master Chief hit him in the eye with a sniper rifle before his biotic -blam!- misses him?


Probably not.
Uses barrier - deflects bullets.

Or, if he's a Soldier.
Uses adrenaline rush - dodges bullet.


Canon Shepard is Soldier class. Soldier class does not utilize biotic barriers(Or any other significantly powerful biotics).

Adrenaline rush only lasts a short time. In battle, SPARTANs have "SPARTAN Time", which keeps going as long as they are fighting. Not to mention Chief, and all other SPARTANs, are keen on using stealth, a lot. Shepard doesn't have a motion tracker, so I doubt he will even be alerted until it is too late.

  • 01.16.2012 1:29 PM PDT


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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
So now, we boil it down to this one question... Can master Chief hit him in the eye with a sniper rifle before his biotic -blam!- misses him?


Probably not.
Uses barrier - deflects bullets.

Or, if he's a Soldier.
Uses adrenaline rush - dodges bullet.


Canon Shepard is Soldier class. Soldier class does not utilize biotic barriers(Or any other significantly powerful biotics).

Adrenaline rush only lasts a short time. In battle, SPARTANs have "SPARTAN Time", which keeps going as long as they are fighting. Not to mention Chief, and all other SPARTANs, are keen on using stealth, a lot. Shepard doesn't have a motion tracker, so I doubt he will even be alerted until it is too late.



Sigh, yet again I'll state, currently there is no canon Shepard. Gender, background, class, bioware has never officially stated which Shepard is.

The marketing department merely show Shepard as a male soldier.

To the second part, what's saying Shepard will sit still focused on one direction? If it's a large scale terrain, Shepard might be moving around, constantly watching his/her back. or, if it's snowy, Chief's armor isn't the best camo. Shepard could spot him and snipe away.

[Edited on 01.16.2012 2:05 PM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
So now, we boil it down to this one question... Can master Chief hit him in the eye with a sniper rifle before his biotic -blam!- misses him?


Probably not.
Uses barrier - deflects bullets.

Or, if he's a Soldier.
Uses adrenaline rush - dodges bullet.


Again i ask you what the point of this thread is if you are going to deny chief at every angle? This is a perfect example of you being childish,bias and irrational.

How would Shepard know to use barrier if chief is about to snipe him? Last time i checked shepard is human,thus i doubt he would be able to calculate exactly when he needs to pull the maneuver off. Not to mention chief could just keep sniping him until he exhausts himself.

And Adrenaline rush wouldn't phase a spartan, he would still be slower than him.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
So now, we boil it down to this one question... Can master Chief hit him in the eye with a sniper rifle before his biotic -blam!- misses him?


Probably not.
Uses barrier - deflects bullets.

Or, if he's a Soldier.
Uses adrenaline rush - dodges bullet.


Canon Shepard is Soldier class. Soldier class does not utilize biotic barriers(Or any other significantly powerful biotics).

Adrenaline rush only lasts a short time. In battle, SPARTANs have "SPARTAN Time", which keeps going as long as they are fighting. Not to mention Chief, and all other SPARTANs, are keen on using stealth, a lot. Shepard doesn't have a motion tracker, so I doubt he will even be alerted until it is too late.



Sigh, yet again I'll state, currently there is no canon Shepard. Gender, background, class, bioware has never officially stated which Shepard is.

The marketing department merely show Shepard as a male soldier.

To the second part, what's saying Shepard will sit still focused on one direction? If it's a large scale terrain, Shepard might be moving around, constantly watching his/her back. or, if it's snowy, Chief's armor isn't the best camo. Shepard could spot him and snipe away.


Male Soldier Class is default Shepard.

So what if he is moving around? Master Chief is faster and more agile. It doesn't matter if he is constantly watching his back either, Jackals have superior senses then humans, yet SPARTANs can track and eliminate them without the Jackals even knowing that they are there.

Ahhh hypocrisy. You called me out for assuming Master chief could sneak up and kill Shepard, yet you assume that is is snowy and that Shepard will just snipe Chief.

Master Chief is stealthier than soldier shep. Master Chief is faster stronger and smarter. He also has more training of higher quality aswell as more combat experience. SPARTANs have the stealth feats to back up an ambush/stealth kill on Shepard.

  • 01.16.2012 2:54 PM PDT

all men are equal, except i am more equal than you because i am alive and you are dead

sheesh guys you are all ranting about John when it clearly says David, johns long lost brother who takes out his enemies by forcing them to constantly compare two completely different universes for the rest of their lives and being forced to argue against people who would not even change their opinion even when under the influence of the flood/ indoctrination

on topic though im going with... well based of all the stuff ive read here john wins

  • 01.16.2012 2:58 PM PDT

Bright... Green... Armor... Against snow.

That's the biggest offense to camouflage possible.

And I'm talking my infiltrator Shepard who has sniped people so far away they are little blobs in the scope.

What proof do we have that Chief is naturally more stealthy then Shepard? For one thing his footsteps are heavier, and thus make more noise.

  • 01.16.2012 2:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What proof do we have that Chief is naturally more stealthy then Shepard?


"THEY'VE SEEN US!" ~ Commander Shepard, using cloaking technology and alone on an infiltration mission of a Batarian prison during the dead of night.

  • 01.16.2012 3:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What proof do we have that Chief is naturally more stealthy then Shepard?


"THEY'VE SEEN US!" ~ Commander Shepard, using cloaking technology and alone on an infiltration mission of a Batarian prison during the dead of night.


Funny, as during that mission I've never been spotted by the guards :).

To add, default does not = canon shepard, as I've said, they have never officially said what gender and class Shepard is.

  • 01.16.2012 3:06 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What proof do we have that Chief is naturally more stealthy then Shepard?


"THEY'VE SEEN US!" ~ Commander Shepard, using cloaking technology and alone on an infiltration mission of a Batarian prison during the dead of night.


Funny, as during that mission I've never been spotted by the guards :).


It's an ironic game design flaw, when you use 'cloak' as an infiltrator near guards they automatically detect you. I wasn't being serious.

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Bright... Green... Armor... Against snow.

That's the biggest offense to camouflage possible.


Assuming the battle takes place in a snowy environement. A more likely environment would be an urban battlefield. And seeing how SPARTANs are masters at blending into the shadows, I don't think that would be a problem.

And I'm talking my infiltrator Shepard who has sniped people so far away they are little blobs in the scope.

The farthest shot I've made in Mass Effect with the sniper rifle was somewhere between 430m and 530m. That was on a barren planet in Mass Effect 1. The enemies were not in any sort of cover either. Master Chief isn't going to walk into the open. He will be sticking to the shadows in areas where he has plenty of cover. Who's to say Master chief soesn't spot and snipe Shepard first?

What proof do we have that Chief is naturally more stealthy then Shepard? For one thing his footsteps are heavier, and thus make more noise.


Oh, besides:
A SPARTAN(Kelly?) jumping 3 meters straight up and landing perfectly silently on limestone while wearing full MJOLNIR Mark IV.
Master Chief, age 12, pulling off an infiltration mission on Tango Company. John was using scrap materials(some battery acid, some mirror pieces, a paste made from squirrels, a few flashbangs, and some crappy 20m range dart pistols)
Master Chief, age 14, in the caves managed to coordinate stealth attack a dozen MJOLNIR Mark III exoskeletons that had mounted chainguns, thermals, and tracking equipment. All they had were some black suits and a rope.
SPARTANs seemlessly blending in with shadows
SPARTANs stealth killing Jackals, which have superior senses to humans.
Master Chief stealthing through the unyielding Hierophant for 11km straight

Where are Shepards stealth feats?


BTW, for matches like these, a standard needs to be set.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/standard

"an object that is regarded as the usual or most common size or form of its kind"

Male Soldier is the most commonly seen, and is the default class of the game.

"usual, common, or customary"

Again, Male Soldier Shepard is standard by definition.




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  • 01.16.2012 3:26 PM PDT

I'd have to play it again just to figure out the distance, but my longest shot was in the Geth explore mission in ME1 (with the dropship deploying more geth until destroyed). It's at the base of a mountain, I was at the opposite mountain peak, the Geth were tiny and I was sniping them. Fairly sure it was greater then 500 meters.


I'm talking preferences, but I'd think an infiltrator Shepard (aka mine) who is a sniper by nature will be able to spot and take out Chief first. Against Linda it'd be a more even sniper duel.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'd have to play it again just to figure out the distance, but my longest shot was in the Geth explore mission in ME1 (with the dropship deploying more geth until destroyed). It's at the base of a mountain, I was at the opposite mountain peak, the Geth were tiny and I was sniping them. Fairly sure it was greater then 500 meters.


I'm talking preferences, but I'd think an infiltrator Shepard (aka mine) who is a sniper by nature will be able to spot and take out Chief first. Against Linda it'd be a more even sniper duel.


I remember that part. I think that's where I think I got mine. It was awhile ago. However, I've gotten a few farther shots than that in BF3.

Against Linda the sniping wouldn't be even fair. Linda would out-snipe Shepard any day of the week.

  • 01.16.2012 4:39 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'd have to play it again just to figure out the distance, but my longest shot was in the Geth explore mission in ME1 (with the dropship deploying more geth until destroyed). It's at the base of a mountain, I was at the opposite mountain peak, the Geth were tiny and I was sniping them. Fairly sure it was greater then 500 meters.


I'm talking preferences, but I'd think an infiltrator Shepard (aka mine) who is a sniper by nature will be able to spot and take out Chief first. Against Linda it'd be a more even sniper duel.


I remember that part. I think that's where I think I got mine. It was awhile ago. However, I've gotten a few farther shots than that in BF3.

Against Linda the sniping wouldn't be even fair. Linda would out-snipe Shepard any day of the week.

I agree, but this is Shepard vs. John, not Linda.

  • 01.16.2012 6:11 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'd have to play it again just to figure out the distance, but my longest shot was in the Geth explore mission in ME1 (with the dropship deploying more geth until destroyed). It's at the base of a mountain, I was at the opposite mountain peak, the Geth were tiny and I was sniping them. Fairly sure it was greater then 500 meters.


I'm talking preferences, but I'd think an infiltrator Shepard (aka mine) who is a sniper by nature will be able to spot and take out Chief first. Against Linda it'd be a more even sniper duel.


I remember that part. I think that's where I think I got mine. It was awhile ago. However, I've gotten a few farther shots than that in BF3.

Against Linda the sniping wouldn't be even fair. Linda would out-snipe Shepard any day of the week.


Opinion. Just because she's a spartan doesn't mean she'd instantly out-snipe Shepard.

I'm not seeing how Chief can automatically sneak up and instantly win every battle. I'm not seeing how Linda magically will always have the upper hand.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'd have to play it again just to figure out the distance, but my longest shot was in the Geth explore mission in ME1 (with the dropship deploying more geth until destroyed). It's at the base of a mountain, I was at the opposite mountain peak, the Geth were tiny and I was sniping them. Fairly sure it was greater then 500 meters.


I'm talking preferences, but I'd think an infiltrator Shepard (aka mine) who is a sniper by nature will be able to spot and take out Chief first. Against Linda it'd be a more even sniper duel.


I remember that part. I think that's where I think I got mine. It was awhile ago. However, I've gotten a few farther shots than that in BF3.

Against Linda the sniping wouldn't be even fair. Linda would out-snipe Shepard any day of the week.

I agree, but this is Shepard vs. John, not Linda.


Which still wouldn't change anything.

  • 01.16.2012 6:45 PM PDT