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its true!! IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE"i know you, your past, your future!"

  • 05.10.2006 12:16 PM PDT
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Capt. Keyes went boom with the first Halo... Remember?

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There is no way Gravemind is Captain Keyes. He is dead and Gravemind is very old.

  • 05.10.2006 12:18 PM PDT

No...you killed captain keyes, remember? And gravemind is wayy bigger than keyes was.

  • 05.10.2006 12:18 PM PDT
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and before that the chief slammed his fist through his face to get his neural implants

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  • 05.10.2006 12:18 PM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Hes dead, get over it.

  • 05.10.2006 12:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Venril
Capt. Keyes went boom with the first Halo... Remember?

indeed but he could have been salvaged and goten a makeover...lol but seriously i toculd be him!

  • 05.10.2006 12:19 PM PDT
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and besides, if u know the novels, cortana did know chiefs past to begin with but, it would be kinda cool if keyes had somethin to do with the game in ANY way

  • 05.10.2006 12:19 PM PDT
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Lol not much was "salvaged" from the first Halo , especially not Keyes , and a few posts before this someone added the very nice fact that MC didnt hesistate slamming his fist through what was left of his brain. It isnt Keyes

  • 05.10.2006 12:20 PM PDT
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I agree,Master Chief pounded his face in-order to get the nueral implants.

  • 05.10.2006 12:20 PM PDT
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o yeah hes dead but o wait truth and reconsilition didnt get off installation 4 so wateva!

  • 05.10.2006 12:20 PM PDT

THIS WILL SILENCE THE CAPTAIN KEYES / GRAVEMIND FOREVER...

well, until someone else yells GRAVEMIND IS CAPT. KEYES!...

You do have some info backing you, with the "past, future" line... but isn't Gravemind supposed to? Gravemind IS basically the "mother ship" or "parent" of the Flood, right? He basically contains all info that the Flood obtain [yes, the flood are smarter than zombies] So, Captain Keyes can "talk" to Chief through Gravemind but only because Grave has all the information Keyes knows. If you read the book, Keyes was a young military man when they "recruited" Chief and the other spartans..

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  • 05.10.2006 12:23 PM PDT
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Capt. Keys is dead. Period. . . . .
As for the Graveming's voice being melded into Cortana's voice and the two being "merged" theory, I think that theory is false.
Honestly when I first saw the trailer all I could think of is: OMFG Cortana has gone Rampant!
Thats what I think has happened, it would explain that things she says : " I know you... your past...your future...".

Yes, she did talk to Gravemind oubviously but I don't beleive that the flood can infest an AI.
They oubviously exchanged alot of information. Perphaps Gravemind told Cortana everything he knows about the Forerunner and Cortana told him about the Humans and Covenant.

Think about it, her life span is almot up to 7 years isn't it? PLUS she's gained more knowledge then any other AI ever did.

  • 05.10.2006 12:25 PM PDT
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Wasnt the whole point of taking the neural implant from Keyes one to get off of Halo , but mostly to keep the info out of enemy hands. Gravemind may know alot but he isnt a AI. He is a flood and he is very wise and smart and knows much that humans dont. But saying that he is Captain Keyes is sorta off the wall.

  • 05.10.2006 12:25 PM PDT

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Yeah, that's just a little too far off the wall. Gravemind says he's been listening for ages, Keyes hasn't even been around for an age. Gravemind -could- know things that Keyes knew, the books stated that the Flood thing that infected him was eating up his memories, probably collecting his knowledge for the collective. Cortana and Gravemind merging? Impossible, no way to argue otherwise. Unless the Gravemind could, and that's stretchy is way too far, convert his thought process to electrons there is no way he could influence Cortana. For one, she is self-contained, two she controls the Covenant network from the inside so any attempts he made to get in would have to go through her and three, merging with him would violate all her orders.

Obviously something is up, as the end to H2 showed them -opening- a conversation. I agree that Cortana is probably going Rampant, a little O.D. from all that information she gathered. Don't confuse theory with fact, none of the novels, game or even the trailer has shown a connection. They made that trailer to be 'low-impact' with more revealing the state of the situation rather than the details of the how/why. We all hear the other voices when she speaks, but until we get more info out of Bungie, we're all grabbing for clues in the dark.

Give it up to Bungie for being so good.

  • 05.10.2006 12:39 PM PDT
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I have listened through rock and metal and time

Gravemind said this remember.

  • 05.10.2006 1:40 PM PDT
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Punches to the brain and thermo-nuclear explosions generally kill off all life.

Except for those damn forerunner cockroaches.

  • 05.10.2006 1:43 PM PDT