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Subject: Alternate trailer words, alternate meanings

Personally, after Halo 3's release, I am hoping to hell for a book that explains all of Bungie's thoughts and double-meanings and hidden contexts to show us how much of this we read too far into.

  • 05.10.2006 1:39 PM PDT
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ILoveBees Vol. 2... I think that is what Bungie is leading us too... Everyone thinking what it means... Then BAM! It all comes to us like a freight train and say... "How didn't I think of that"... just wait, a site will be released... and everything we are talking about now will be put in less detail with more thinking needed... just you wait.

  • 05.10.2006 1:42 PM PDT
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when she says shield i thought i heard graveminds voice. is that there as it sounds like it is. and when it says gods and demons sounds like all gravemind

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  • 05.10.2006 1:43 PM PDT
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gravemind does infact know what cortana is saying. I am your shield, I am your sword, I you ask me gravemind needs help, it sounds like gravemind will "use" cortana to speek to chief, adding to my point gravemind may actualy know how to stop the ark, but he needs chief, because if the halos go off, bye bye universe, including the flood.

  • 05.10.2006 1:45 PM PDT
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I also plugged the trailer into a sound editor and the words are definitely "Defied" and "Sword", but that's not the most interesting part.

It's like "Bbq monkey" said above, Gravemind's voice seems to be there. I went back and play'd thru a bit of Halo 2 and listened to the voice of the Gravemind, then went back and listened to the trailer once again. If you listen closely when Cortana says she has "Defied Gods and Demons" you can also hear the Graveminds voice at the end of each of the words, same happens when she says "I am you Shield, I am you Sword", but it's not as pronouced as before...and then when Cortana says, " I know your past, I know your Future", you don't hear the Gravemind's voice influence at all, almost as if Cortana is regaining control of herself.

It's all speculation, but if it is the Gravemind trying to channel to the MC thru Cortana then the Idea of a Vision is not far fetched.

Only my two cents.

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  • 05.10.2006 1:47 PM PDT

Well I don't think it sounds like gravemind is using Cortana, but that would be an interesting plot twist. "The Master Chief and Gravemind have to work together in order to save the world." I haven't really thought about this but it isn't all that out there. The Flood want everyone dead, and the Humans want the Covenant dead. The Covenant want the Flood and the Humans dead. Gravemind might team up with MC to destroy the covenant, who knows.

  • 05.10.2006 1:49 PM PDT

Yep, I had posted it about possibly being a vision on someone else's thread. I think for right now, there are way too many possibilities. I am hoping more is shown at E3 today which I believe is when Microsofts conference is.

  • 05.10.2006 1:50 PM PDT
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A good twist, with a hint of M. Night Shamalion..... I hope I spelt his name right.

I think that MC won't know it's gravemind, till close to the end of the game. Think why would MC listen to gravemind? So gravemind is telling MC through cortana, without cortana's permision.

  • 05.10.2006 1:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: IIDWells55XII
THe thing I agree with is that it is "source" not "sword". I've filtered the audio and and changed pitch playback speed - the works. It's source. For sure.


Actually, it's the word "sword" repeated twice, and overlapped.

  • 05.10.2006 1:59 PM PDT

Ok, according to Halo.Bungie.org Marty O'Donnel confirmed that it is in fact "sword", not "source".

  • 05.10.2006 2:03 PM PDT
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Just a couple things to add to what you were going at Evo, I read the novels a few times so a few things kind of stuck out to me, lemme know what everyone thinks:

"I have defied Gods and Demons"
-The combination of Cortana and Gravemind makes it sound like Gravemind is controlling Cortana in order to communicate with MC. When she says she has "defied Gods and Demons" perhaps it is Gravemind stating that he has defied the forerunners who were considered gods by still being alive after the forerunners studied the flood then tried to starve them to death. The demons could possibly be the Covenant who take more aggressive tactics of destroying the flood.

"I am your shield, I am your Sword/Source"
- While it sounds like source, sword makes more sense since cortana is in a way, both a sword and shield for chief, in the novel is explains how cortana's lightning fast calculations and wealth of tactical data are available to chief and Increasing his superhuman reflexes.

"I know you, your past, your future"
-Sounds like shes finally regaining control from gravemind. She know's his past because before she selected John to be her spartan, she read his complete record held on Reach and knows everything that was done to him and everything there is to know about him. Im guessing she knows based on his past actions, what the future will hold for him and if he needs to, is willing to sacrifice it his life in the final battle

Just a though.


  • 05.10.2006 2:13 PM PDT

If anyone hasn't read it, go read "The Cortana Letters". Just google it. It was written back in 1999 before Halo 1 was even announced. This trailer has a few references to it.

  • 05.10.2006 2:16 PM PDT
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ehh...ok... i think that cortana says that she has "defined" gods and demons, think of it this way, defining Gods would be that it is because of her skills as an AI that the spartans can perform as accurate as they do who are veiwed as Gods by normal soldiers, its the same thing for the word demon, it just changes because of the Covs call him, so maybe she just finds that ironic that she has defined both gods and demons and shares what she knows with gravemind hence the message............phew....... ok, and as for the other part...... it would be kinda stupid to say Shield and source.........shield and sword sounds much better, and by shield she means protecting the chief by giving him intel, and using that intel to strike back....meaning the sword.......(drinks water)....... now as for the knowing of the past and future..... maybe she isnt speaking to any one certain individual, but an entire race, she knows the past of the humans because of her historical database and she knows the future because of what the ring is going to do to the human race.......... as for the world ending....... maybe all the hamsters have gone nuts, i dont know we'll have to wait for the game for that part

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  • 05.10.2006 2:32 PM PDT
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we will have to see and wait but bill gates said halo 3 is going to be out around ps3 and that lauches november 17 so i think that bungie is lying to us and then all of a sudden bam the real date november 9th just a thoght

  • 05.10.2006 2:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: PG M_A_S_T_E_R
All of your posts are very thought provoking. The most interesting thing to me is to figure out if bungie has really just made it jokingly simple, or i they inteded this deeper "double-meaning" stuff to keep us occupied and on the edge of our seats for more.


i agree, mabey they wnated us to think theirs a deeper meaning so we dont drive them crazy with questions

  • 05.10.2006 3:00 PM PDT
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cortana might mean that the Grave Mind is a demon, because the Grave Mind's voice is clearest when she says demons in "I have defied gods and demons"

  • 05.10.2006 5:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Eternal_Reaper
I just watched it full blast on 5.1 surround, and im clearly hearing two voices

Cortana = Source (But this also sounds like Halsey's voice...)
Gravemind = Sword


It sounds like Cortana clearly saying "source," while a second voice (hers again, or possibly Gravemind's) whispers "sword."

Anyone else get that?

  • 05.10.2006 5:35 PM PDT

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