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Oh no, you called me JUEN! OrderedComa called me Juen! Everyone is calling me Juen. It's so annoying, I hate when someone obviously misspells my name, it's my weakness! How did you find it Cmdr DaeFaron? Of all the possibly things that you could do to me, why do you have to misspell my name? Why can't you offend me with bad words like a good boy? Send me hate mails, do anything except calling me Juen, my obvious weak spot, like any boss in a videogame. You sir, have officially humiliated me.

Oh God, I love sarcasm, I seriousy do, in fact, it's flattering that you call me Juen, it pretty much proves that you actually take me seriously, the exact reason why I work so hard in making my awesome posts, andn by seeing that you are trying to piss me off (obviously failing miserably at it), it sorta proves that you are giving up this early in the argument. It's like "oh noes, I'm going to annoy him, then write something to appear smart, no one will notice".

Should I remember of that time when you were telling me that Master Chief was horribly developed, I went mission by mission explaining carefully why he is pretty developed IN THE GAMES (that's right, no need for novels to understand Master Chief), and you couldn't find the courage to admit that I was right, you just decided to reply to another fella. That truly made me laugh, what a better way to leave an argument, just ignore my awesome post, reply at another guy, and that's it, all solved. Made me laugh, gave me all the satisfaction I needed.

In fact, I must quote this!

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
You are saying, because Emile is surprised when Kat reaches for his Kukri, that means he doesn't trust her.


And then this!

Posted by: CavemanBCE
It is also in the same cutscene, to draw a very discrete contrast, Emile recoils and acts defensively when Kat reaches for his kukri knife.


You are nothing more than a blind Bungie/Noble Team fanboy. You'll answer my points when you feel like it? LOL, that's never going to happen, and in case it happens, I'll gladly respond to your argument, waiting for you to conveniently ignore my post because, again, you can't find the courage to admit that I'm right.

  • 12.27.2011 7:15 PM PDT

I literally cannot believe you haven't understood that this thread is about Emile, not whether or not the fact that Reach fell in a month or whatever other canon/sense violation is appropriate. You do not know how to read. No, it's not "wrong" that your post contains an introduction, but only the last half of your entire post has anything to do with Emile.

The characterization of Emile is, in my opinion, underwhelming, lacking, and at best subtle. I am only underlining things that others have missed or, as you have, simply dismissed as unimportant. If you make me repeat this again, I'm not going to respond to any more of your long winded, tear soaked posts.

The team does warm up to Six, even if it is in the game's characteristic lacking style. Kat isn't quite as "sassy", Carter relinquishes his place as most important member of the squad, Emile even acts like he has a little more respect for Six, etc. Even though, yet again, you stray off topic talking about Carter, I will say that Carter is portrayed as the no-nonsense commanding officer. If you think that he failed in that position, by all means. Throughout the game, he remains calm and collected, keeping his men in line, does his job.

LNOS Cutscene: In the cutscene, Kat comes up with the plan, there's some character play between Carter and Kat (and the other Spartans acknowledge it), the other Spartans are skeptical of Kat's brilliant but incredibly risky plan (perhaps hearkening back to the plan that cost her her arm and Thom), Jun wipes the embers off of Jorge's armor and Emile responds instinctively hostile towards Kat, who tries to get close to him. She even mentions his distance in a joking manner ("Thank you for sharing"). Who built the spire? The ****ing Covenant, what are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything?

Emile's laugh: Part of Emile is his bristling to Jorge's acceptance, optimism, and being approachable. Emile isn't the kind of person to just wash away that rivalry like that. You don't understand that Emile is attempting (and relatively successfully) to lose himself in his armor. What he cannot completely hide, he masks with humor. The other Spartans recoil when he laughs, and that's just Emile's way of saying goodbye to him. If you don't understand this, you don't understand anything.

Halo: Reach is not an origin story for any of the Spartans, only a small part of their lives, in the time of the fall of Reach. Like I said, while I think Bungie failed to properly show the character's individuality, they are not completely void. Many of the unfortunately minor things that happen during the game that solidify who those characters are are unwisely tossed away by players.

On the subject of the helmet thread, if you think that my post did not have any substance, by all means, but it's not "random" , as you like to say, that it is on the most popular threads list to the right of the forums.

EDIT: After seeing you're most recent post, two more things to add.

1. I don't think their misspelling of your name is intentional, making the intro to your last post seem really childish.

2. It's not that Emile doesn't "trust" her, it's just that he does not like the very human closeness she was trying to have with that simple motion. I said somewhere near the beginning of my OP that Emile does not trust civilians, and he distances himself from his team.

[Edited on 12.27.2011 7:27 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2011 7:17 PM PDT

This post will be edited with a proper reply to all your points, but before, I just want to clear one thing.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
1. I don't think their misspelling of your name is intentional, making the intro to your last post seem really childish.
He already admitted to me that he constantly misspells my name to annoy me. I truly feel sorry for him, but what can I do? It's his way to "troll me", when I don't give a -blam!- about it. Yes, it used to annoy me in the past (I better say this before he, in another pathetic attempt to troll me, looks for that previous post, I know he is capable of), but I feel kinda of embarrassed for taking him seriously. It's even funny, as I said previously, it's like saying "my argument isn't as good as yours, so I'm gonna troll you".

Kinda of sad, I could report him, but then he would lose that fancy title he loves so much, which makes things even sadder. Well, while you read this, I'm writing a proper reply, so don't post until I'm done!

Posted by: CavemanBCE
I literally cannot believe you haven't understood that this thread is about Emile, not whether or not the fact that Reach fell in a month or whatever other canon/sense violation is appropriate. You do not know how to read. No, it's not "wrong" that your post contains an introduction, but only the last half of your entire post has anything to do with Emile.
Why are you getting angry at the fact that some of my arguments are not related to Emile? I'm still talking about the game he belongs, this it valid criticism towards the game and the character. In the end, all of my points lead to Emile and why it was such a disappointing campaign experience. So I can only talk about Emile, limit my imagination to perhaps one of the most horribly developed characters in the Halo universe? It's not like I'm talking about another video game, I'm telling important stuff, like my feelings towards the character BEFORE, and AFTER the game was released. I'm sure you are used to receive comments praising your wall text explaining how important the helmets are, but seriously, you should allow more information to be included in the thread. In the end, everything is related to Reach AND Emile. Can't believe I'm giving a justification for the contents in my post.

And if I happen to disappoint you in this post, you will no longer reply at me? Well, that's too sad, that you can't accept criticism towards your post. Then why bother making those wall texts? In fact, why tell your public to agree/disagree/add something to the conversation if you won't accept/limit them. Am I talking about Bioshock? About the new Zelda game? No, I'm talking about Halo: Reach, about Emile to be more specific. You give us information about the cutscene, you praise it, I tell you all the stuff wrong in that cutscene, and you reply at me "it's not about Emile, you whiny idiot". Way to treat your public.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
The characterization of Emile is, in my opinion, underwhelming, lacking, and at best subtle. I am only underlining things that others have missed or, as you have, simply dismissed as unimportant. If you make me repeat this again, I'm not going to respond to any more of your long winded, tear soaked posts.
No one missed those scenes you are mentioning, NO ONE. We all saw how he hesitated while handling his knife to Kat, we all saw Jun touching Jorge, we all heard Emile laughing after Six informed about his noble sacrifice.

But we never cared about it because those actions never developed his character. The fact that you say that if they take off their helmets means that they trust each other won't make it a fact. All those scenes end up in the garbage, just for the sake of being there to buy the developers more time. I did say that Emile didn't trust Kat, or anyone in Noble Team because he hesitated in giving her his Kukiri, but why? I ask you, why is he hesitating? Why doesn't he trusts her? Shouldn't he already know that he can trust them?

I will say it again, I don't care if you never reply at me or not, if an action is never elaborated again in the Campaign, it ends up being unimportant an random. This could be acceptable in a shoot-em-all Campaign where your allies constantly die, I don't know, but this story is about a group of Spartans, how they deal with the invasion of Reach, but more importantly, the relationships they hold. I mean, isn't that the purpose of Six being the new Spartan in the group? To start knowing each Spartan, to create bonds, to gain their trust? Nope, as far as I know, Six, Carter and Kat could be the oldest Noble Team members, and it wouldn't matter, they don't care about each other, just like Bungie didn't care for this game.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
Kat isn't quite as "sassy"
All she does is give me orders all the time. Never developed, never creating a bond with Six.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
Carter relinquishes his place as most important member of the squad
All he does is tell Six that Cortana made the right choice.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
Emile even acts like he has a little more respect for Six
All he does it tell Six to move on after Carter dies. And then manages to get both of them killed.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
I will say that Carter is portrayed as the no-nonsense commanding officer. If you think that he failed in that position, by all means.
I will only say this once, he is a loyal Spartan towards his group, but that doesn't makes him a great leader, especially the sacrifice that could easily be avoided.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
Who built the spire? The ****ing Covenant, what are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything?
So the Covenant built that long ass Spire to bring that Supercarrier, but you are missing the essential plot hole in here, how could they build it undetected? I mean, it's not like two grunts could build... you know what, let's move on, I won't even bother with this point, if you can't understand it, I'm really sorry that you can accept a story with such essential flaws.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
Emile isn't the kind of person to just wash away that rivalry like that. You don't understand that Emile is attempting (and relatively successfully) to lose himself in his armor. What he cannot completely hide, he masks with humor. The other Spartans recoil when he laughs, and that's just Emile's way of saying goodbye to him. If you don't understand this, you don't understand anything.
Or maybe I'm not trying that hard to understand something that made no sense. Again, you are using that lame justification they used in the Legendary Commentary as a way to hide his emotions. Maybe Emile just happens to be a -blam!-, maybe he would laugh at everyone who dies because he feels superior to everyone. Again, never elaborated, just random and unimportant. But don't worry, Jorge will appear in Halo 4, it has been confirmed by Marty :D

Posted by: CavemanBCE
On the subject of the helmet thread, if you think that my post did not have any substance, by all means, but it's not "random" , as you like to say, that it is on the most popular threads list to the right of the forums.
You said that Kat felt uncomfortable working with Spartans that thought that she was useless thanks to that robot arm. Could you bring something more random to the discussion? And yeah, I'm sorry about not posting the usual "great job at doing this wall text" that you receive so much in that thread. I sure would feel empty by receiving such replies, they are agreeing with me, they don't bring anything to the table. I would immediately assume I'm being praised by lazy people who can't contribute.

[Edited on 12.27.2011 8:27 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2011 7:46 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.


Posted by: Juan Teran
This post will be edited with a proper reply to all your points, but before, I just want to clear one thing.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
1. I don't think their misspelling of your name is intentional, making the intro to your last post seem really childish.
He already admitted to me that he constantly misspells my name to annoy me. I truly feel sorry for him, but what can I do? It's his way to "troll me", when I don't give a -blam!- about it. Yes, it used to annoy me in the past (I better say this before he, in another pathetic attempt to troll me, looks for that previous post, I know he is capable of), but I feel kinda of embarrassed for taking him seriously. It's even funny, as I said previously, it's like saying "my argument isn't as good as yours, so I'm gonna troll you".

Kinda of sad, I could report him, but then he would lose that fancy title he loves so much, which makes things even sadder. Well, while you read this, I'm writing a proper reply, so don't post until I'm done!

Hate to tell you this, but it sure looks like you care about it. If you truly didn't care about it, then you wouldn't have made such a deal of it in your previous post, and elaborated so deeply on it in this one.

Even if you did report him I doubt it would do anything, one report won't get a person banned. While I'm not Daefaron, nor am I speaking on his behalf, I don't think he would be one of the few people who are extremely zealous of their "title". A title on this website only shows long you can manage to go without screwing up and getting banned.

  • 12.27.2011 7:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: Juan Teran
This post will be edited with a proper reply to all your points, but before, I just want to clear one thing.

Posted by: CavemanBCE
1. I don't think their misspelling of your name is intentional, making the intro to your last post seem really childish.
He already admitted to me that he constantly misspells my name to annoy me. I truly feel sorry for him, but what can I do? It's his way to "troll me", when I don't give a -blam!- about it. Yes, it used to annoy me in the past (I better say this before he, in another pathetic attempt to troll me, looks for that previous post, I know he is capable of), but I feel kinda of embarrassed for taking him seriously. It's even funny, as I said previously, it's like saying "my argument isn't as good as yours, so I'm gonna troll you".

Kinda of sad, I could report him, but then he would lose that fancy title he loves so much, which makes things even sadder. Well, while you read this, I'm writing a proper reply, so don't post until I'm done!

Hate to tell you this, but it sure looks like you care about it. If you truly didn't care about it, then you wouldn't have made such a deal of it in your previous post, and elaborated so deeply on it in this one.

Even if you did report him I doubt it would do anything, one report won't get a person banned. While I'm not Daefaron, nor am I speaking on his behalf, I don't think he would be one of the few people who are extremely zealous of their "title". A title on this website only shows long you can manage to go without screwing up and getting banned.
Got banned only once, when some kid posted that Reach "sucked", I told him to "work on his grammar and people would think that he is intelligent", because his grammar was truly that awful, and got me banned. Like, seriously?

I've been constantly criticizing Reach for months, and, as you can see, I haven't been banned, because I haven't broke any rule, so I should also have that fancy sexy title if it wasn't for that guy who banned me for no reason other than "flaming". Please, you call that flaming? Go to IMDb mister moderator, the video game board to be more specific.

As for Juen, I really don't care about him. In one of my lame attempts to counter him, a few months in the past, I misspelled his username, and he mentioned me that he didn't care, so, according to your logic, he must really care about it!

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also, I only typed it as Juen because it actually annoys you. That and until you stop being a jerk I see no reason to take the time to bother to spell it correctly.

I'll say this once, you can misspell my username all you want, and I don't give a -blam!-.
Should I say more?

[Edited on 12.27.2011 8:43 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2011 8:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran
Oh no, you called me JUEN! OrderedComa called me Juen! Everyone is calling me Juen. It's so annoying, I hate when someone obviously misspells my name, it's my weakness! How did you find it Cmdr DaeFaron? Of all the possibly things that you could do to me, why do you have to misspell my name? Why can't you offend me with bad words like a good boy? Send me hate mails, do anything except calling me Juen, my obvious weak spot, like any boss in a videogame. You sir, have officially humiliated me.

Oh God, I love sarcasm, I seriousy do, in fact, it's flattering that you call me Juen, it pretty much proves that you actually take me seriously, the exact reason why I work so hard in making my awesome posts, andn by seeing that you are trying to piss me off (obviously failing miserably at it), it sorta proves that you are giving up this early in the argument. It's like "oh noes, I'm going to annoy him, then write something to appear smart, no one will notice".

Should I remember of that time when you were telling me that Master Chief was horribly developed, I went mission by mission explaining carefully why he is pretty developed IN THE GAMES (that's right, no need for novels to understand Master Chief), and you couldn't find the courage to admit that I was right, you just decided to reply to another fella. That truly made me laugh, what a better way to leave an argument, just ignore my awesome post, reply at another guy, and that's it, all solved. Made me laugh, gave me all the satisfaction I needed.

In fact, I must quote this!

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
You are saying, because Emile is surprised when Kat reaches for his Kukri, that means he doesn't trust her.


And then this!

Posted by: CavemanBCE
It is also in the same cutscene, to draw a very discrete contrast, Emile recoils and acts defensively when Kat reaches for his kukri knife.


You are nothing more than a blind Bungie/Noble Team fanboy. You'll answer my points when you feel like it? LOL, that's never going to happen, and in case it happens, I'll gladly respond to your argument, waiting for you to conveniently ignore my post because, again, you can't find the courage to admit that I'm right.
Because someone has a different opinion on noble than you their a fanboy?

  • 12.27.2011 10:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: Juan Teran
Oh no, you called me JUEN! OrderedComa called me Juen! Everyone is calling me Juen. It's so annoying, I hate when someone obviously misspells my name, it's my weakness! How did you find it Cmdr DaeFaron? Of all the possibly things that you could do to me, why do you have to misspell my name? Why can't you offend me with bad words like a good boy? Send me hate mails, do anything except calling me Juen, my obvious weak spot, like any boss in a videogame. You sir, have officially humiliated me.

Oh God, I love sarcasm, I seriousy do, in fact, it's flattering that you call me Juen, it pretty much proves that you actually take me seriously, the exact reason why I work so hard in making my awesome posts, andn by seeing that you are trying to piss me off (obviously failing miserably at it), it sorta proves that you are giving up this early in the argument. It's like "oh noes, I'm going to annoy him, then write something to appear smart, no one will notice".

Should I remember of that time when you were telling me that Master Chief was horribly developed, I went mission by mission explaining carefully why he is pretty developed IN THE GAMES (that's right, no need for novels to understand Master Chief), and you couldn't find the courage to admit that I was right, you just decided to reply to another fella. That truly made me laugh, what a better way to leave an argument, just ignore my awesome post, reply at another guy, and that's it, all solved. Made me laugh, gave me all the satisfaction I needed.

In fact, I must quote this!

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
You are saying, because Emile is surprised when Kat reaches for his Kukri, that means he doesn't trust her.


And then this!

Posted by: CavemanBCE
It is also in the same cutscene, to draw a very discrete contrast, Emile recoils and acts defensively when Kat reaches for his kukri knife.


You are nothing more than a blind Bungie/Noble Team fanboy. You'll answer my points when you feel like it? LOL, that's never going to happen, and in case it happens, I'll gladly respond to your argument, waiting for you to conveniently ignore my post because, again, you can't find the courage to admit that I'm right.
Because someone has a different opinion on noble than you their a fanboy?

Nope, but I have constantly argued with him, and he is truly a blind Bungie/Noble Team fanboy.

[Edited on 12.27.2011 10:44 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2011 10:42 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Juen, I'm going to outright LOL at you.

Hmmm...If this was me, you would scream murder.

Remember when I said, "this gave me a chuckle" and you were all over my ass? Funny how that works, Cmdr. Really funny.

  • 12.27.2011 11:03 PM PDT

"Moooooooo"
-Ghost cow

I read the whole thing and was very impressed.

  • 12.28.2011 6:03 AM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

I'm not sure whether I agree with you, OP. Nevertheless, this thread and your ideas are brilliant interpretations of a seemingly dull, and uninteresting character.

Good job.

  • 12.28.2011 7:39 AM PDT

Go right through for MSU.

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Posted by: Ace Active
He's an awful spartan. He scratches his helmet so he can't see through it and he talks trash after he kills that elite before clearing the area (like anyone would do spartan or not) which leads to him dying.

All of the Spartan's in Reach save for Six who is only worth a damn because you play as him, are worthless.

Kat ran into a floodlight with no cover. A regular marine would use shadows and cover but not this "spartan".

Jorge after 35 years combat experience and expertise couldn't rig a bomb.

Carter committed suicide instead of doing the Spartan thing and jumping off the pelican. Who could kill a scarab by themselves? A Spartan can.

Jun is Jun.

Everything was forced. The story was trash. I honestly can't see where the 3 years of work were put. They had an awful lead producer who's only qualifications were that he was loaded and he had a 50 in Halo 3.

Obvious troll is obvious. This made me laugh.

I took this post at it's more subtle meaning: some of us take this way too seriously.

That being said, Halo is a video game franchise that puts more thought and depth into its story than any other, and this thread is a testament to that. Not many games feature characters worth analyzing.

These are the reasons I will keep on giving this franchise my money. They've made a lifelong fan out of me.

  • 12.29.2011 7:01 AM PDT

Oly Oly Oxen Free

I can't believe i just read that whole stupid argument.

  • 12.29.2011 9:21 AM PDT

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"The narrator of a story IS a character within it, subject to only the events and knowledge given within..." That's an old tibbit my brother used to say when I'd have trouble writing book reports. Now I use it to relate to everything that I review, the Halo stories and games are very much a follower of that rule and we see this throughout the series. We aren't handfed everything and the knowledge can and will be retcon (as much as you guys hate it)by another source. I find this as a good point in the series as a whole, it makes the story human and drives you deeper into the world.

That aside, when it comes to threads like these you get ppl like the OP who can take the little and realize how it works in the grand scheme or you get people that look at the piece like it's a history book, not that this is wrong but you miss out on the narrative and thus suffer for it. I remember thinking that Reach would be completely different from what the books stated, hell I remember that not long ago I was telling alot of you guys that chances are the covies and UNSC would have a place in the new games using the same little pieces to link all of it... Alot of the problems we get in the series seems to me to be a matter of refusing to realize whom the story is following and thus limited to knowing. You say that we should of been told how the spire gets there, why does it matter to Noble? It has no effect on their mission at all and any speulation would withdraw the viewer from the true problem... I mean sure you could argue that at least discussing it with each other as they fight in the next part would work but it does seem less skilled soldiery and many of you guys already complained about that... Can't have a block of concret and treat it like cake.

[Edited on 12.29.2011 9:50 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2011 9:48 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: Juan Teran
You are nothing more than a blind Bungie/Noble Team fanboy.

I second this. Oh and a hypocrite, too.

  • 12.29.2011 10:16 AM PDT


Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
You say that we should of been told how the spire gets there, why does it matter to Noble? It has no effect on their mission at all and any speulation would withdraw the viewer from the true problem...
That's not fair, you are telling me that we don't need to know the origins of the Spire because it has nothing to do with Noble Team. I'm sorry, but that is still not excuse for making that -blam!- Spire an absolute element in Reach. You see, that thing is huge, it's obviously essential for the initial invasion to Reach, it's not like they sent two Grunts undetected and they built it in a single night. Can't think of how many Covenant soldiers it took to get the job done, and having a huge number of soldiers working on it would obviously call someone's attention, not to mention all the time they worked on it. And don't pull me that lame excuse "it could work because no one lived near that area", 'cause it makes no sense. How is the Covenant able to get into Reach, we are not even talking about the invasion force, we are talking about the ones who built that giant Spire, how did they find Reach to begin with? Why are they exploring if they can burn the whole planet with a single Supercarrier.

You can't say that we don't need answers as those elements have nothing to do with Noble Team, this is what we call "BAD WRITING". Might as well just pop High Charity out of nowhere, then Truth appears, takes out a lightsaber, and kills everyone while Noble Team just watches in horror. We don't need an explanation to this, it has nothing to do with Noble Team.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It looks like the Spire was dropped from orbit. Which brings more issues of why the UNSC didn't detect it..

  • 12.29.2011 10:23 AM PDT

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Well when you pull it to extremes like that of course it makes no sense dude, what I'm trying to say is that judging a story by what it doesn't tell you doesnt work very well. Your thinking like the story is a history book and should clearly lay out every single aspect of it to you... That's impossible becuase of the very wa the story is told (Though maybe in a Noble novel...). The story's very nature intends to show you a SOLDIER"S POV OF THE EVENTS OF THE FALL OF REACH BEFORE THE END, aka they aren't going to show the whole story but instead show the story through the eyes of some guy in the dirt, someone who (No matter how experienced) would not and could not know the whole story and I doubt they'd really want to think about how the covies managed to pull off such a feat while everyone is getting killed by something much more destructive. Instead I'd think that they'd leave that stuff to the boys in intel, it's called prioritizing and soldiers use it to focus on the objective... The fault lies in the fact that we rarely see Noble not completeing an objective. Bad writing is at fault I'm sure but the whole story can't be throw aside because of it and you use only that fact to ase all your claims when really it requires you to think as the character and not someone from the sidelines... This place is called the Bungie Universe, where we discuss the things that most people on the sidelines don't care about nor care to look into or for.

Sidenote: and I always wonder how you guys missed it, the array and pretty much alot of UNSC tech were picking up oddities for at least a month beforehand (Halsey's journal I think) plus given the readyness of the forces the covies had spires on the planet for awhile, recon and suppression were foremost on the covies minds I'd think and given the size of such a planet the excuse would and does work. The citizens that live in such remotes spot most likely don't try to interact much with the UNSC so blackout could be happening alot in the region, of course nobody knows because WE ARE THE CHARACTER and thus can't know what isn't experienced and wouldn't be able to understand without being given the info to understand it- your a grunt the game worked with that and I'd say you get the feel for it well, I'd say so well most people got hung up over it.

It's not fair, it's a narrative device designed to help put the player into a FP experience... Can't say I agree, esp since I came up with a rewrite for reach's story, but I respect it's importance to understanding the faults in the story.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Can you re-write that post and only have the stuff in it i would find relevant?

  • 12.29.2011 11:09 AM PDT

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Yeah sorry I'm in a rush, I'll edit this stuff later when my phone isn't going off every five secs... Yay Family Dinners!

  • 12.29.2011 11:34 AM PDT


Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Well when you pull it to extremes like that of course it makes no sense dude, what I'm trying to say is that judging a story by what it doesn't tell you doesnt work very well. Your thinking like the story is a history book and should clearly lay out every single aspect of it to you... That's impossible becuase of the very wa the story is told (Though maybe in a Noble novel...). The story's very nature intends to show you a SOLDIER"S POV OF THE EVENTS OF THE FALL OF REACH BEFORE THE END, aka they aren't going to show the whole story but instead show the story through the eyes of some guy in the dirt, someone who (No matter how experienced) would not and could not know the whole story and I doubt they'd really want to think about how the covies managed to pull off such a feat while everyone is getting killed by something much more destructive. Instead I'd think that they'd leave that stuff to the boys in intel, it's called prioritizing and soldiers use it to focus on the objective... The fault lies in the fact that we rarely see Noble not completeing an objective. Bad writing is at fault I'm sure but the whole story can't be throw aside because of it and you use only that fact to ase all your claims when really it requires you to think as the character and not someone from the sidelines... This place is called the Bungie Universe, where we discuss the things that most people on the sidelines don't care about nor care to look into or for.

Sidenote: and I always wonder how you guys missed it, the array and pretty much alot of UNSC tech were picking up oddities for at least a month beforehand (Halsey's journal I think) plus given the readyness of the forces the covies had spires on the planet for awhile, recon and suppression were foremost on the covies minds I'd think and given the size of such a planet the excuse would and does work. The citizens that live in such remotes spot most likely don't try to interact much with the UNSC so blackout could be happening alot in the region, of course nobody knows because WE ARE THE CHARACTER and thus can't know what isn't experienced and wouldn't be able to understand without being given the info to understand it- your a grunt the game worked with that and I'd say you get the feel for it well, I'd say so well most people got hung up over it.

It's not fair, it's a narrative device designed to help put the player into a FP experience... Can't say I agree, esp since I came up with a rewrite for reach's story, but I respect it's importance to understanding the faults in the story.

You are taking the bullet for Bungie, it is indeed bad writing, and the fact that this story is about Noble Team doesn't means that they can start throwing stuff all over the place without explaining exactly how the Covenant managed to build that giant Spire undetected.

And if that's the case, then why bother explaining the purpose of that Spire? According to your logic, it could be an absolute element, we don't need to know it's origin or purpose, it could be a base, it could be Truth's summer house, it could be anything, but they decided to "carefully" explain the purpose of the Spire, and conveniently decided to ignore how it was built.

So please, avoid using that excuse "we aren't supposed to know, as this is a character driven story", which by the way, it isn't, as you are letting them off the hook to easily. It is atrocious writing, the guy who wrote this game shouldn't be allowed to write ever again. The story destroys all the mythology of Reach as the heart of the UNSC, and it's a complete waste of time as you don't even care about the characters. So yeah, the fact that this story is about Noble Team isn't a good justification to throw stuff all over the place.

[Edited on 12.29.2011 11:39 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2011 11:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The spire wasn't built...

  • 12.29.2011 11:44 AM PDT

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Before I run off I have this one bit, you can't use that bit about the spires use not being needed as that directly impacts the characters by provided the plot with the supercarrier- It's the ends to the means, how it got there is the begining. Sure it's be nice to hear how it got there and no doubt our boys should think about it but does how they get their truely throw the plot out of the window? Not really...

Use= Vaild to story
How it's made= History books or triva

Also why are we on this given that this is about Emile

  • 12.29.2011 12:14 PM PDT

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First, great OP. I liked Juan's OP too. You do have to consider this was Bungie's last game Halo game and they really did a good job bringing together what it means to be a spartan. Emile was THE spartan stereotype you could imagine a spartan to be. A complete badass. Being a spartan means he respects authority, like what he said at Carter's last moments. He laughs at Jorge's death (I might've remembered a chuckle, but nothing over the top). To be a spartan you never show emotion and if you would see a spartan showing any emotion it would never be of sadness. Also if you aren't crying about someone's death, you are probably laughing about it. To me that tells me he's insecure, but hell these are spartans we are talking about. This people should be fearless, calculating, emotionless, and work together like a well oiled machine. They all display these attributes in one way or another, but Emile has taken these and turned himself into a badass. What it means to him to be a spartan. If that includes never displaying any depression for a comrade then that would be what he would do and what I would imagine a real spartan to do.

Why he never takes off his helmet? The armor they wear is apart of who they all. Remember how Master Chief felt when he wasn't wearing his armor? That's probably how Emile would feel. So why did the others take off theirs then? Well, someone in the game has to show emotion and what better way to show the war on the planet is a lost and all the other stuff that occurs after many years of fighting in a war than to have your best of the best of the best of your fighters take off their helmets and show it? I don't remember Jun taking his off every cutscene. Those are good qualities of story-telling.

About that Kat grabbing his knife. She didn't come out of nowhere and just try to grab it. I'm not going back to look it up, but the way I remember was she reached for it, he reacted with a wtf you think you doing reaching for my knife, and he gave it up after she responded.

You should really do another one for the others. I didn't say all my thoughts, but that was a start.

  • 12.29.2011 12:45 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
The spire wasn't built...

Well, I strongly doubt it was dropped from orbit. I mean, it's a possibility, I guess, but is there any source you got this information from? Any speculation? Or is it a wild guess (which I hope it's not)?

Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Before I run off I have this one bit, you can't use that bit about the spires use not being needed as that directly impacts the characters by provided the plot with the supercarrier- It's the ends to the means, how it got there is the begining. Sure it's be nice to hear how it got there and no doubt our boys should think about it but does how they get their truely throw the plot out of the window? Not really...

Use= Vaild to story
How it's made= History books or triva

Also why are we on this given that this is about Emile

I'm still strongly dissatisfied with how that Spire appeared out of nowhere and it is never revealed how the Covenant managed to build it and/or drop it without anyone detecting it.

You do raise a good point that the use has a direct meaning in the story, and while the origin of the Spire seems unimportant, the fact that it's never explained is one of the biggest flaws in the game. While they can avoid answering stuff like that Forerunner artifact Halsey has been working on, the Spire is one of the biggest advantages the Covenant holds on Reach, and by not explaining the origins we have a big plot hole in the game. So yeah, in this and many other cases, the use of the artifact (the Spire, not to be confused with the Forerunner artifact) is just as important as it's origin.

And we started talking about the Spire because you decided to defend that element, take the bullet for Bungie. I'm not calling you a blind Bungie/Noble Team fanboy, but you just can't defend an essential flaw in the game.

Also, thanks for for posting that you liked my post ESSENCES of DOOM!

[Edited on 12.29.2011 1:16 PM PST]

  • 12.29.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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One of Emile's reasons could be before he was picked to be a spartan he was with his family and elites came killed his whole family but the spartan team that was there didnt kill any of the elites but his family still died and this is just my opinoin what if he feels that the UNSC cant change anything and that they are not fearless as him so he thinks only he can change anything that will happen.

  • 12.29.2011 1:16 PM PDT

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