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Subject: ZB needs to be everywhere in Reach

Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Arena is a joke
Why?
Asymmetrical maps
Jetpack
No Incentive to play
etc etc.

It's a joke, and a bad one too.

  • 01.07.2012 6:32 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Arena is a joke
Why?


Because it is awful

  • 01.07.2012 6:32 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Arena is a joke
Why?


>Unsymmetrical maps that either favour Blue or Red team at the very start of the game
>Jetpack, Holo, Sprint.
>Bloom

It's exactly like default Reach with less Armour Abilities. And that's not even getting into all the complaints about the actual Arena ranking system.

  • 01.07.2012 6:32 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
-Arena
-TU


Arena is a joke. So are the TU settings, but at least the TU got rid of Sword Block and added bleedthrough.



Its all a joke, what if I were to say that the only skillful way to play was while standing on hour head, eating a bowl of spiced cranberries, and holding the controller with your armpit hair?

There is no "only skillfull way" to play.

  • 01.07.2012 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: TurnedSculpture

Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
-Arena
-TU


Arena is a joke. So are the TU settings, but at least the TU got rid of Sword Block and added bleedthrough.



Its all a joke, what if I were to say that the only skillful way to play was while standing on hour head, eating a bowl of spiced cranberries, and holding the controller with your armpit hair?

There is no "only skillfull way" to play.


"Skillful" is a misnomer that I cringe at every time I hear a competitive player post it. The correct term is: "balanced."

Face it: default Reach is not balanced. At all. MLG is.

  • 01.07.2012 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Drowsy Demon
It's exactly like default Reach with less Armour Abilities. And that's not even getting into all the complaints about the actual Arena ranking system.
Thiiiiiiis is the one I was looking for.

What complaints?

  • 01.07.2012 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
It's exactly like default Reach with less Armour Abilities. And that's not even getting into all the complaints about the actual Arena ranking system.
Thiiiiiiis is the one I was looking for.

What complaints?


Why don't you do a search yourself and pull up a couple dozen threads?

Also, considering that Arena was supposed to have been designed for competitive players from the get-go, the fact that Bloom is in there, Armor Abilities are in there, and unbalanced asymmetrical maps are in there automatically makes it a joke. Why bother with a ranking system when you can't even get the fundamentals right?



[Edited on 01.07.2012 6:36 PM PST]

  • 01.07.2012 6:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
search yourself and pull up a couple dozen threads?
Because I don't really care that much. I'm just curious as to your thoughts.

  • 01.07.2012 6:36 PM PDT

Reality is broken.

Also, you're not your stats.


Posted by: Supernova33221
what you're saying is that to be skillful you need to be able to spam all your shots at a target with out being penalized for it? that doesn't make sense I'd much rather 75% bloom


It's called shooting, not spamming.

  • 01.07.2012 6:36 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.




"Skillful" is a misnomer that I cringe at every time I hear a competitive player post it. The correct term is: "balanced."

True.

  • 01.07.2012 6:37 PM PDT


Posted by: burritosenior
Posted by: Drowsy Demon
search yourself and pull up a couple dozen threads?
Because I don't really care that much. I'm just curious as to your thoughts.


According to my extremely limited and short-term memory, these were the main points:

1. Arena Division placement being deleted after a certain amount of time/reset for a new season

2. Hard to find Arena records hidden in Service Record/players would prefer the rank to be displayed visibly in the lobby of other playlists

3. Lack of Arena variants - there is only Team Arena currently, and FFA Arena as well as Arena Doubles were both removed. Arena Objective never happened, and neither did BTB Arena, etc.

4.Problems with using a Trueskill-based formula to rank players in a team-based gametype - this was eventually fixed with the introduction of Win/Loss calculation in Arena.

All other Arena complaints were based upon the gameplay fundamentals.

But considering that only one out of like a dozen problems was fixed, that's still pretty bad.



[Edited on 01.07.2012 6:46 PM PST]

  • 01.07.2012 6:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
1. Arena Division placement being deleted after a certain amount of time/reset for a new season
This one confuses me.

I've heard other complaints saying that there's no incentive to keep playing. But... this system CONSTANTLY gives you an incentive to keep playing, no? It isn't just a matter of getting to the highest rating and never having to play again, or never having to lose that high number on your service record.

2. Hard to find Arena records hidden in Service Record/players would prefer the rank to be displayed visibly in the lobby of other playlistsService record? Maybe. I see plenty of good reasons for it not to be in lobbies though. Besides, if anyone honestly cared about it, wouldn't they check the service record if it were easily visible there anyways? Otherwise it's sort of just shoving it in everybody else's faces, neh?

4.Problems with using a Trueskill-based formula to rank players in a team-based gametype - this was eventually fixed with the introduction of Win/Loss calculation in Arena.
A little backwards though I think. They gave your your rating based on kills, assists, deaths, and wins/losses before. Completely deviated from Trueskill. It's after the complaining that Bungie switched it to the Win/Loss trueskill type style.

The other complaints are reasonable. I don't care about Arena really so they can do what they want. It's just the concerns over the ranking system never made much sense to me. So I mentioned it.

  • 01.07.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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