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I agree with the OP.

In fact, I thought the Chief should have died at the conclusion of Halo 3. All he knows is war; to me, the thought of him dying of old age or disease is more sad than anything else.

Hell, he is a Spartan after all.

  • 12.28.2011 5:49 AM PDT

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I think that it would be fitting for John to die at the end of Halo 6, especially if he dies making a last stand or something... no more cliffhangers like Halo 3 please.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.


What isn't a "Cliche" when it comes to Sc-Fi? And it wouldn't be lazy seeing how there would be alot of subtext with his death, If it was done properly.

If Chief doesn't die then halo will get milked, thus he must die.

  • 12.28.2011 8:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.


What isn't a "Cliche" when it comes to Sc-Fi? And it wouldn't be lazy seeing how there would be alot of subtext with his death, If it was done properly.

If Chief doesn't die then halo will get milked, thus he must die.


Oh, give it a rest already. You people throw around terms like "milked" and "hyper-lethal" like its no ones business. "Milking" is only a product of poor writing, so dont even try to feed me that load of crap.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.


What isn't a "Cliche" when it comes to Sc-Fi? And it wouldn't be lazy seeing how there would be alot of subtext with his death, If it was done properly.

If Chief doesn't die then halo will get milked, thus he must die.


Oh, give it a rest already. You people throw around terms like "milked" and "hyper-lethal" like its no ones business. "Milking" is only a product of poor writing, so dont even try to feed me that load of crap.


"You people"? you clearly don't know me since i understand the meaning of "Hyper-Lethal Vector".

"Milking" Is dragging out and extorting a product just for the money.

  • 12.28.2011 8:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.


What isn't a "Cliche" when it comes to Sc-Fi? And it wouldn't be lazy seeing how there would be alot of subtext with his death, If it was done properly.

If Chief doesn't die then halo will get milked, thus he must die.


Oh, give it a rest already. You people throw around terms like "milked" and "hyper-lethal" like its no ones business. "Milking" is only a product of poor writing, so dont even try to feed me that load of crap.


"You people"? you clearly don't know me since i understand the meaning of "Hyper-Lethal Vector".

"Milking" Is dragging out and extorting a product just for the money.


I dont care if you understand it or not. The point is that it was used as a marketing ploy and "you people" basically milked it.

And yes, milking is dragging it out just for the profit but good writers never have to kill or preserve their protagonists just to keep the story interesting.

  • 12.28.2011 8:56 AM PDT
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I'm so confused. Why are you calling us "you people"? We aren't exactly a lower standard than you are. And how did we Milk it? We don't make the content.

  • 12.28.2011 8:58 AM PDT


Posted by: orphan
I can see him dying in a kind of mysterious way. Not a cliffhanger, but a kind of final word on what's become of him. I can't imagine Chief dying in combat, becoming overwhelmed - that death feels too human, not heroic enough. Dying in an explosion, sacrificing himself feels cliche and boring. Drifting off into space once more feels boring too. I don't really know how he'd die, but he definitely should. He has to.


I was thinking the Chief could partake in the Great Journey--an actualy real Forerunner concept, if you didn't know--with the Forerunners at the end, but without actually explaining what the Journey is.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Why exactly are you guys so hellbent on keeping Chief alive? Can no other character fill his void?

If Chief dies, that should be the end of Halo. Nobody can fill his void. Do you honestly want Halo 7: Noble Six Comes Back From the Dead!!1!one! They would just be milking it if Chief died in Halo 6 and they continued making games with some other protagonist that can't fill the tremendous role that Chief plays in the series.

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Posted by: orphan
I can see him dying in a kind of mysterious way. Not a cliffhanger, but a kind of final word on what's become of him. I can't imagine Chief dying in combat, becoming overwhelmed - that death feels too human, not heroic enough. Dying in an explosion, sacrificing himself feels cliche and boring. Drifting off into space once more feels boring too. I don't really know how he'd die, but he definitely should. He has to.


I was thinking the Chief could partake in the Great Journey--an actualy real Forerunner concept, if you didn't know--with the Forerunners at the end, but without actually explaining what the Journey is.

In other words we should remove him in a way that is satisfying while also making it very clear that he will not be returning? That will be hard to pull off.

  • 12.28.2011 9:05 AM PDT

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  • 12.28.2011 9:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81
I'm so confused. Why are you calling us "you people"? We aren't exactly a lower standard than you are. And how did we Milk it? We don't make the content.


Wow... My apologies if you took it like that, but I simply meant the people who talk/debate/hide behind that term in the Universe and Reach forums. Basically its not that important of a term to me seeing as how the term itself is relative to what enemy youre facing. But Im done. Im not getting into a debate about if youre milking something or not. Say it all you want.

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Posted by: Ridin Dirtym99

And yes, milking is dragging it out just for the profit but good writers never have to kill or preserve their protagonists just to keep the story interesting.


By that reasoning nobody should die in the haloverse unless they cannot think of a better story.

Chief is a SPARTAN he should die fighting not by any other means.

  • 12.28.2011 9:16 AM PDT

Agreed.

  • 12.28.2011 9:56 AM PDT

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I agree with this, and it shouldn't be like Noble Six's death, going out with a bang, as that is too cliche, if you want creativity, it should be more emotional, a more 'personal' ending, to make the player feel as though this is their last moments, and that they aren't coming back.

12.27.2011 6:55 PM PST


Perhaps Like Jorge's death? Reach kinda covered all the good death scenarios... imo. Whether John lives or dies, I'm sure there will be Reach prequels after the Reclaimer saga.

[Edited on 12.28.2011 10:08 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 9:59 AM PDT

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I cant say I'd like to see him die. Then again I cant say what I'd like to see for John, closure I guess.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.


Well, yeah, but so is him surviving.

  • 12.28.2011 10:30 AM PDT


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Posted by: orphan
I can see him dying in a kind of mysterious way. Not a cliffhanger, but a kind of final word on what's become of him. I can't imagine Chief dying in combat, becoming overwhelmed - that death feels too human, not heroic enough. Dying in an explosion, sacrificing himself feels cliche and boring. Drifting off into space once more feels boring too. I don't really know how he'd die, but he definitely should. He has to.


I was thinking the Chief could partake in the Great Journey--an actualy real Forerunner concept, if you didn't know--with the Forerunners at the end, but without actually explaining what the Journey is.

In other words we should remove him in a way that is satisfying while also making it very clear that he will not be returning? That will be hard to pull off.


Something like that exactly. If 343i is going to permanently remove John from the story, then I would much prefer it to be in a clever or unique way rather than outright killing him (which as I've said many numerous times before feels way too cliche. Especially the ways that a lot of people suggest him dying).

  • 12.28.2011 11:58 AM PDT

oh my god

they should just put him in cryo sleep like professer anders until he is needed which is never.

  • 12.28.2011 12:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: orphan
I can see him dying in a kind of mysterious way. Not a cliffhanger, but a kind of final word on what's become of him. I can't imagine Chief dying in combat, becoming overwhelmed - that death feels too human, not heroic enough. Dying in an explosion, sacrificing himself feels cliche and boring. Drifting off into space once more feels boring too. I don't really know how he'd die, but he definitely should. He has to.


I was thinking the Chief could partake in the Great Journey--an actualy real Forerunner concept, if you didn't know--with the Forerunners at the end, but without actually explaining what the Journey is.

In other words we should remove him in a way that is satisfying while also making it very clear that he will not be returning? That will be hard to pull off.


I'm instantly reminded of Frodo leaving for the Grey Havens in Lord of the Rings. It was suggested earlier in this thread if I recall correctly... But having MC leave with some Forerunner for another galaxy, or another haven is a great way to end his story.


That... I suppose I would be okay with, I really loved the conclusion to LOTR and Frodo leaving Middle-Earth after his purpose had been fulfilled was a satisfying way to go about concluding the story.

  • 12.28.2011 12:03 PM PDT

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Come on, you know that if the jolly green space marine dies,343 won't be able to milk out another mediocre trilogy.

  • 12.28.2011 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Placid Platypus
Come on, you know that if the jolly green space marine dies,343 won't be able to milk out another mediocre trilogy.


Wow, have you got a TARDIS? I'd love a trip to the future so you can prove that the Reclaimer Trilogy will flop...

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  • 12.28.2011 12:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ridin Dirtym99

And yes, milking is dragging it out just for the profit but good writers never have to kill or preserve their protagonists just to keep the story interesting.


By that reasoning nobody should die in the haloverse unless they cannot think of a better story.

Chief is a SPARTAN he should die fighting not by any other means.


Really. Sounds like he should have been a Spartan III by your logic. But I think youre failing to understand the artistic opportunity here. I ask, would and off screen death satisfy your lust for his blood?

  • 12.28.2011 12:46 PM PDT