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Subject: John must die at the end of Halo 6...

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So from the sounds of it, if Master Chief dies, lives, or goes MIA, its too cliche and shouldn't be done.


Maybe he should go back in time and kill his parents, undoing himself. Paradox or cliche, take your pick.

  • 12.28.2011 12:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
So from the sounds of it, if Master Chief dies, lives, or goes MIA, its too cliche and shouldn't be done.


Maybe he should go back in time and kill his parents, undoing himself. Paradox or cliche, take your pick.


Then we have Sonic '06 syndrome.

  • 12.28.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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He must not live, yet he must not die...

He must go mia, not like in the end of halo 3.

We must guess that he is either alive or dead...

A bit like noble 6, but not as dead as noble 6 if you know what i mean..

  • 12.28.2011 2:01 PM PDT


Posted by: ferrrari
He must not live, yet he must not die...

He must go mia, not like in the end of halo 3.

We must guess that he is either alive or dead...

A bit like noble 6, but not as dead as noble 6 if you know what i mean..


So something like the end of Halo 3? But without that special little bonus after the credits revealing Master Chief and Cortana alive and well though drifting aimlessly in their wreck. Or an exit like Jorge had in Reach?

  • 12.28.2011 2:28 PM PDT

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I think he should die without the implement of death...leaving the consumers with a mystery on weather he is alive or not...

  • 12.28.2011 2:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ridin Dirtym99

And yes, milking is dragging it out just for the profit but good writers never have to kill or preserve their protagonists just to keep the story interesting.


By that reasoning nobody should die in the haloverse unless they cannot think of a better story.

Chief is a SPARTAN he should die fighting not by any other means.


Really. Sounds like he should have been a Spartan III by your logic. But I think youre failing to understand the artistic opportunity here. I ask, would and off screen death satisfy your lust for his blood?


Do you know anything about the Spartan's the SII's were based off of? Please tell me what else should be the end for a person other then the reason they were created or something related to what they have been doing for the last 40 years.

The current chief has no other choice but to die, If 343 improves on his character to where he could survive as a sage or something then so be it.

And i have no "bllodlust" nor would he be a spartan 3 by "that logic".

  • 12.28.2011 4:00 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
The current chief has no other choice but to die


Bit harsh.

  • 12.28.2011 4:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
The current chief has no other choice but to die


Bit harsh.


He deserves it, don't worry, 343 have faith that the community will bring him back to life in their fan fics... ;)

  • 12.28.2011 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ridin Dirtym99

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ridin Dirtym99

And yes, milking is dragging it out just for the profit but good writers never have to kill or preserve their protagonists just to keep the story interesting.


By that reasoning nobody should die in the haloverse unless they cannot think of a better story.

Chief is a SPARTAN he should die fighting not by any other means.


Really. Sounds like he should have been a Spartan III by your logic. But I think youre failing to understand the artistic opportunity here. I ask, would and off screen death satisfy your lust for his blood?


Do you know anything about the Spartan's the SII's were based off of? Please tell me what else should be the end for a person other then the reason they were created or something related to what they have been doing for the last 40 years.

The current chief has no other choice but to die, If 343 improves on his character to where he could survive as a sage or something then so be it.

And i have no "bllodlust" nor would he be a spartan 3 by "that logic".


Im obviously not going to convince you that its more than possible that chief will live. And you're not going to convince me that he HAS to die in battle. Besides, most of the main protagonists deaths in the games have been a bit boring and emotionless to be quite honest. They could have been done much better, but thats beside the point. Bottom line is 343 doesnt necessarily have to kill the chief to end the trilogy. Its as simple as that.

  • 12.28.2011 4:31 PM PDT

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The oldest child may learn from the youngest."

I don't have a problem with John sacrificing himself in order to save the galaxy. What I do have a problem with is John dying after having saved the galaxy and that's the notion I get when I see these types of posts.

The way I see it, John will probably have a death reminiscent to Johnson. Very distinguished war hero surviving many battles and using himself to save the lives of many others, although John's sacrifice will be more dependent on his own actions rather than on someone else's actions like Johnson's was.

  • 12.28.2011 4:49 PM PDT

I understand that im the biggest fan of master chief but to respond to this.... he will eventually die. Look at noble 6, he had a little connection with chief. Having to be chosen by cortana, thats pretty big, but really how noble 6 die could be possible to happen to anyone, including master chief, so my response is that he will die and will be remembered.

  • 12.28.2011 4:55 PM PDT

well a better ending would be showing a situation where he has a possibility of both dying or surviving and never found

  • 12.28.2011 5:52 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ferrrari
He must not live, yet he must not die...

He must go mia, not like in the end of halo 3.

We must guess that he is either alive or dead...

A bit like noble 6, but not as dead as noble 6 if you know what i mean..


So something like the end of Halo 3? But without that special little bonus after the credits revealing Master Chief and Cortana alive and well though drifting aimlessly in their wreck. Or an exit like Jorge had in Reach?
I imagined it being something like Jorge's, but with a little less 'obviousness' and 'explosions', but something a little more emotional, with Cortana involved somehow, like as a closing statement. I just think his final moments should show his humanity, and show that there is a human being under there, if not necessarily so 'physically', but moreover 'symbolically'. If they kill the chief off, they should make it so that after he dies, the marines come in and finish off the opponent, or maybe take his body and have a burial for him. If he dies, they should make it so that the marines end up seeing him, not as some kind of all powerful walking tank that where ever he goes a path of alien carcassas follow, but as a fellow soldier just trying to do his part.


[Edited on 12.28.2011 6:09 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 6:07 PM PDT

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I think humanity should fulfil the role of Reclaimers and embrace Forerunner technology and he and his Spartans and Halsey with more humans go on "the great journey" to another galaxy.

  • 12.28.2011 6:15 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ferrrari
He must not live, yet he must not die...

He must go mia, not like in the end of halo 3.

We must guess that he is either alive or dead...

A bit like noble 6, but not as dead as noble 6 if you know what i mean..


So something like the end of Halo 3? But without that special little bonus after the credits revealing Master Chief and Cortana alive and well though drifting aimlessly in their wreck. Or an exit like Jorge had in Reach?
I imagined it being something like Jorge's, but with a little less 'obviousness' and 'explosions', but something a little more emotional, with Cortana involved somehow, like as a closing statement. I just think his final moments should show his humanity, and show that there is a human being under there, if not necessarily so 'physically', but moreover 'symbolically'. If they kill the chief off, they should make it so that after he dies, the marines come in and finish off the opponent, or maybe take his body and have a burial for him. If he dies, they should make it so that the marines end up seeing him, not as some kind of all powerful walking tank that where ever he goes a path of alien carcassas follow, but as a fellow soldier just trying to do his part.


That would be a good ending in my opinion. My idea would be somewhat similar to Halo 3's ending. While the UNSC looks through a wreckage and finds the Chief's helmet badly damaged. The rest of him is not there though.

  • 12.28.2011 6:40 PM PDT

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Only fitting death for Master Chief is battlefield. Where he can die trying to fight. That is Spartan way.

Just like several Spartan-IIs was killed on Reach. They fought at their best but untimely they died at overwhelming attack.

So yes, he has to die at Halo 6. Knowing that he saved the galaxy from the extinction and he can finally rest in the peace. That is perfect ending IMO. Keeping him alive after Halo 6 sounds like milking Halo more for money.

[Edited on 12.28.2011 6:45 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 6:44 PM PDT

That would be fitting but then how would rest of the trilogy go then?

  • 12.28.2011 6:59 PM PDT

I like Halo games, nuff said.

I think he should take an arrow to the knee at the end of Halo 6

  • 12.28.2011 8:55 PM PDT

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Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

I honestly was ok with the way that Halo 3 ended before I replayed it and got to the Legendary ending. He saved the world from the Coventant and honestly would have been pretty useless.

  • 12.28.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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I want to see John return a hero, I don't want to see the greatest protagonist in all of gaming die.

IMO.

  • 12.28.2011 10:46 PM PDT


Posted by: masterchief9572
I understand that im the biggest fan of master chief but to respond to this.... he will eventually die. Look at noble 6, he had a little connection with chief. Having to be chosen by cortana, thats pretty big, but really how noble 6 die could be possible to happen to anyone, including master chief, so my response is that he will die and will be remembered.


You do know Noble "asspull" 6 sucks story wise right?
Bungie completely screwed over their own story with the useless introduction of these particular spartan III's for no other reason than that they could.
If you've read the books you know in the fall of reach that John 117 sees plenty of action in the battle for reach and you know from first strike that the other spartan II's had even more action on reach itself. So there was no need to introduce new characters since there were plenty of them already around.
So no noble 6 ending please.

I rather would have him die the way his character is.
He's a soldier that agrees to any mission no matter how crazy. He also tries to bring back anyone he can even if it would kill him and as long as the mission is a succes. That's the type of person he is.
So what would fit best is (my opinion) if he sacrifices himself so the mission succeeds and his teammates can make it out alive.
Ofcourse it's cliche, but the master chief is also a cliche. You can't expect a soldier meant to fight die as something he is not.

[Edited on 12.29.2011 5:48 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2011 2:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.

I'm sure you've said this before, kindly name me 5 recent examples of this.


Many characters in Gear of war.
All but a certain character in MW.
Fallout 3, excluding add-ons.
Halo: Reach
L.A. Noire.

You know, just had a general glance towards my game pile to name a couple.

  • 12.29.2011 4:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: U Got Pwned1264
Spartans Never Die bro


Why yes, yes they do. But thank you, genuinely, for ruining that saying.

  • 12.29.2011 4:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: wcd45

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.

I'm sure you've said this before, kindly name me 5 recent examples of this.


Many characters in Gear of war.
All but a certain character in MW.
Fallout 3, excluding add-ons.
Halo: Reach
L.A. Noire.

You know, just had a general glance towards my game pile to name a couple.


The main "hero" death that would truly have any relevance to this is Dom. People that die in the same game they are introduced don't count.

MW as an example? *Shakes Head*

You never die in any of the fallout games (correct me if wrong). And i honestly don't know of any hero's dying at all in the game unless you personally killed them. It has been awhile since i played the game though.

Again, If they die in the same game they are introduced you have no deep connection with them whatsoever.

  • 12.29.2011 6:00 AM PDT

The Lone Wanderer originally died in Fallout 3 if you chose the good path, but they changed that with Broken Steel. In fairness, I haven't actually seen many series that end with the protagonist dying, so it could be interesting.

I'd rather see John go on a great journey, though. Or undergo considerable character development where he finally puts aside war. I think the Master Chief we know now and the Master Chief at the very end of [i[Halo 6[/i] will be two very different entities.

  • 12.29.2011 6:09 AM PDT