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Subject: John must die at the end of Halo 6...

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: FarawayPaper
If for some reason you have not seen Children of Men. Do not read the rest of my post. Go watch the movie, fall in love with it, and THEN read my post.

I agree that John needs to die. Let the man rest. While I may be the only one. I'm kind of hoping for a bittersweet death. He appears to escape almost certain death (Riding a space ship away from an exploding artificial planet in traditional style) while saving the galaxy, but dies of his wounds on the ship. Children of Men style.


That was a beautiful ending to a very well made film, that would be an interesting end for John.

  • 01.07.2012 10:42 AM PDT
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Halo 2 difficulty, I hate you

...but, but, what about Halo 7-9?!

  • 01.07.2012 10:45 AM PDT
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  • 01.07.2012 12:02 PM PDT

-BLAM!-

Its stupid to say he has to die but he shouldn't be killed because he's a super soldier and without war a soldier is nothing , because not only will there always be war but throughout the first trilogy and the books you learn more about John being a person and his relationship with Cortana and Halsey which shows that there is a reason for him to live in the real world, probably because they have the same brain. Besides just because you take out a threat to the universe doesn't mean there isn't more threats out there. I would however like to see him get badly injured to show more for a human aspect and the whole luckiest spartan side of things.

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  • 01.07.2012 12:49 PM PDT

"It will not be we who reach Alpha Centauri, and the other nearby stars, it will be a species very like us, but with more of our strengths and fewer of our weaknesses, more confident, far-seeing, capable, and prudent. For all our failings, despite our limitations and fallibilities, we humans are capable of greatness."-Carl Sagan

I think he should just disappear.

  • 01.07.2012 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Except the hero dying is a ridiculously cliche and lazy way to conclude a character's arc.

I'm sure you've said this before, kindly name me 5 recent examples of this.


Neo - The Matrix, Captain John H. Miller - Saving Private Ryan, Darth Vader - Star Wars, Everyone - The Departed, Leonidas - 300, The same main character dies 100 times - The Prestige


some good series dont end up having the hero dying..it doesn't have to end with MC biting the dust. he could just retire from fighting which i think is a nice peaceful ending and to know that mc won in the end

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

I'd prefer that he became MIA, but if he has to die, make it the most epic death EVER. Even more than Kurt's was.

  • 01.07.2012 2:23 PM PDT

"It will not be we who reach Alpha Centauri, and the other nearby stars, it will be a species very like us, but with more of our strengths and fewer of our weaknesses, more confident, far-seeing, capable, and prudent. For all our failings, despite our limitations and fallibilities, we humans are capable of greatness."-Carl Sagan

Or.


Multiple endings Deus Ex style.

  • 01.07.2012 3:01 PM PDT
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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.

Um... why not just fight the insurrectionists? Become a trainer for future spartan variants to help take down the insurrectionists which was there primary function

  • 01.07.2012 3:28 PM PDT

when the shroud lifts and the secrets are revealed who will listen

also troll

or they could have ended the story at halo 3 and had a satisfying end.
thanks micro$oft

  • 01.07.2012 3:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: ALI217
Um... why not just fight the insurrectionists? Become a trainer for future spartan variants to help take down the insurrectionists which was there primary function


This is what's called an excuse to keep the character alive, it's pretty clear you didn't read the OP. Once john defeats this ancient evil, the pinnacle of his life will have concluded, anything else following will be dull in comparison.

As if there's going to be Insurrectionists by the end of Halo 6 with the entire galaxy at war...


Posted by: undyinghijack
or they could have ended the story at halo 3 and had a satisfying end.
thanks micro$oft


Being sent to the Forerunners by an AI seeking atonement whilst Cortana slowly descends into rampancy, still having 6 Halos primed and ready to fire, the Flood still out there, the Gravemind stating that he's going to return (etc) was a "satisfying" end, was it?

  • 01.07.2012 3:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

I think they should kill him, but it needs to be appropriate. Wrap everything up. He needs to die wiping out this new threat. Anything less isn't fitting, I think.

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Posted by: Cheeto666
I think they should kill him, but it needs to be appropriate. Wrap everything up. He needs to die wiping out this new threat. Anything less isn't fitting, I think.


very nice

  • 01.07.2012 7:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

Should I even ask what that link was?
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Posted by: Cheeto666
I think they should kill him, but it needs to be appropriate. Wrap everything up. He needs to die wiping out this new threat. Anything less isn't fitting, I think.


very nice


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  • 01.07.2012 7:27 PM PDT

I want to see him sipping a Corona in a hammock on a beach in the Bahamas haha.

  • 01.08.2012 7:45 AM PDT

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When all danger from space is gone, humanity will go back to theyr old proficency, killing each other. Cheif will probaly go back to fighting insurrectionists :D

[Edited on 01.08.2012 9:40 AM PST]

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Posted by: nightspark
Except Holems was owned by one person. John is owned by a corporation whose focus is making money. MS won't be killing off their cash cow.


Halo is the "cash cow", not John.

John is Halo for the majority who don't visit these forums.


Doesn't matter, if it has Halo on the box it will sell. Wars, ODST and Reach were still very successful, we can't go on with John forever. Halo has to evolve, the changes of perspective in the story are what galvanises the series to keep it fresh, the same way Doctor Who is galvanised by the change in actor, writer and theme.

Yes it does matter. They sold well, but not as well as well as games featuring the Master Chief. Halo sales figures:

Halo CEA...1.79 million sold

Halo: Reach...8.8 million sold

Halo 3 ODST...5.99 million sold

Halo Wars...2.1 million sold

Halo 3...11.45 million sold

Halo 2...8.43 million sold

Halo Combat Evolved...6.43 million

Whether you like it or not games featuring the Chief still sell more. In fact Reach barely outsold Halo 2. The 360 has a way larger install base compared to the original Xbox. That's just sad. You can want change all you want but money talks, and the most money isn't in games not featuring the Master Chief. Sure there are going to be other games (I hope a Halo Wars 2). However; the Master Chief is like Mario, Sonic and Link. A mascot that won't be killed off.

There's also this to consider. The events of Halo 1-3 take place within the span of a few months. I believe from September 2552 to March 2553. It felt like years for us, because we had to wait for Bungie to make the games. Who's to say the Reclaimer trilogy won't be somewhat similar in length of events? Also, the cryo tube is Halo's deus ex machina. They used it once at the end of Halo 3. They'll probably use it again at the end of Halo 6.



[Edited on 01.08.2012 12:03 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 9:58 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 2104
When all danger from space is gone, humanity will go back to theyr old proficency, killing each other. Cheif will probaly go back to fighting insurrectionists :D


I think that's the point of the Reclaimer trilogy, mankind giving up their barbaric ways to uphold a better ideology found in the Mantle (hopefully without getting consumed by the Flood, as Primordial wants).

In such a world, Master Chief has no place. IMO, he needs to die, or "disappear" in some way (which would put a spin on the "Spartans never die" line).

[Edited on 01.08.2012 10:15 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 10:13 AM PDT

CrimsonPandaStudios

I think that's the point of the Reclaimer trilogy, mankind giving up their barbaric ways to uphold a better ideology found in the Mantle (hopefully without getting consumed by the Flood, as Primordial wants).

In such a world, Master Chief has no place. IMO, he needs to die, or "disappear" in some way (which would put a spin on the "Spartans never die" line).

Well i kinda agree. I have nothing against the cheif dying at the end of halo 6, it will fullfill his story arc. As long as they do it right, make it a heroic deat, with flashbacks, kinda like Kurt. But i dubt there will ever be peace, just take a looka t humanitys history. Humans like killing other humans, and no mantle can change that.

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  • 01.08.2012 11:49 AM PDT

While I find this post interesting, your reasoning for referencing Sherlock Holmes is quite bizarre & I feel any point you made regarding this was made mute by the following;

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1983 killed off Sherlock Holmes 1 year after writing his first Story about him in 1982 because he despised the character. Ten years later he returned to Sherlock and continued writing about him until 1927, 3 years before he died in 1930. During this time he wrote, 4 full length novels & 5 anthologies containing a total of 56 story's about him.

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I agree that the soldier after accomplishing everything he set out to do laying back letting out a long sigh and a smile is a good ending. In the end that's what your fighting for the chance to simply find peace. Until the next galactic mcguffin comes along. That's why i really like what i thought was the end of Halo he climes into the chamber for a long well deserved rest but if you need me I am here. However,and i don't think anyone here will agree with me on this but the hero story has three endings not two.

I'm talking about the "You Either Die a Hero, or Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become the Villain" scenario which i think would work great for the master chief he is the last person in the universe you think would snap or become corrupted but after everything he's seen and will see maybe its all too much for the the chief to bare. Maybe if the universe won't sit down, shut up, and behave he will make it.

Anyway that's just me i love it when peoples own creation tern on them the whole "a testament to all your sins thing."

  • 01.13.2012 1:14 PM PDT

Posted by: nightspark

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: nightspark

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: nightspark
Except Holems was owned by one person. John is owned by a corporation whose focus is making money. MS won't be killing off their cash cow.


Halo is the "cash cow", not John.

John is Halo for the majority who don't visit these forums.


Doesn't matter, if it has Halo on the box it will sell. Wars, ODST and Reach were still very successful, we can't go on with John forever. Halo has to evolve, the changes of perspective in the story are what galvanises the series to keep it fresh, the same way Doctor Who is galvanised by the change in actor, writer and theme.

Yes it does matter. They sold well, but not as well as well as games featuring the Master Chief. Halo sales figures:

Halo CEA...1.79 million sold

Halo: Reach...8.8 million sold

Halo 3 ODST...5.99 million sold

Halo Wars...2.1 million sold

Halo 3...11.45 million sold

Halo 2...8.43 million sold

Halo Combat Evolved...6.43 million

Whether you like it or not games featuring the Chief still sell more. In fact Reach barely outsold Halo 2. The 360 has a way larger install base compared to the original Xbox. That's just sad. You can want change all you want but money talks, and the most money isn't in games not featuring the Master Chief. Sure there are going to be other games (I hope a Halo Wars 2). However; the Master Chief is like Mario, Sonic and Link. A mascot that won't be killed off.

There's also this to consider. The events of Halo 1-3 take place within the span of a few months. I believe from September 2552 to March 2553. It felt like years for us, because we had to wait for Bungie to make the games. Who's to say the Reclaimer trilogy won't be somewhat similar in length of events? Also, the cryo tube is Halo's deus ex machina. They used it once at the end of Halo 3. They'll probably use it again at the end of Halo 6.



You do realize that John-117 is a mere instrument of corporate domination? So by supporting him reentering cryo stasis... you support corporate domination.

  • 01.13.2012 6:19 PM PDT