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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: nesteggfailure
Posted by: chickenlittle
Yeah, but in CE if you were infantry against vehicle, you at least had a chance. It wasn't a guaranteed kill like it is today.
Didn't do too much versus back in the day. I vaguely remember the stepson getting a vehicle and raining down on me. (On huger maps) Main thing that Halo calls to mind is Reach - Is safer to simply get out of the vehicle and scout ahead. How exactly does that sound right or appropriate ? You actually have to get out of the tank to be more safe ? Come on, multiplayerization ... Sadly, quite often. There are so many anti-vehicle weapons it isn't even funny. I'll make a list.
-plasma pistol(EMP)
-rocket launcher
-plasma launcher
-fuel rod cannon
-grenades
-sniper rifle
-focus rifle
-grenade launcher(with EMP bonus)
-gravity hammer
-energy sword
-boarding
There are actually just as many anti-vehicle weapons and anti-infantry weapons. Hell, if you're in a tank and there's more than one enemy infantry around or above you, kiss your ass goodbye. Wasn't like that in CE.I hate enemy boarding. Regarding vehicles like the Wraith (which is so underpowered for the player, other than it's massively unfair boost and op Wraith mortar), once they get on, say goodbye because then you're defenseless (you can't even shoot at the wall to get the bugger off due to vehicle health).
Now let's get down to business concerning some of those weapons you mentioned.
You've probably noticed, the enemy are very powerful with them but when the player uses them, they are underpowered.
Take the concussion rifle for example. It's hardly an offensive weapon for the player. If anything, they should have made it unusable and just put the Brute Shot in. It's also terrible at moving scenery objects. Finally, it gets a major speed boost on higher difficulties... but it's only for enemies.
Then there's the plasma pistol. Jackals are the most cheap cheap cheap enemies I have ever fought. Absurdly fast overcharging, absurdly accurate overcharged bolt, absurdly firing main gun after overcharged bolt, and infinite ammo while overcharging. Then there's the main gun. Sure, you can take out 1 Elite's shield, but what about the others? When you have at least 2 Elites to fight, there's no fighting chance. You have to fight from long range. It's pathetic. Even in Halo 2, I can kick ass from medium range.
Then there's the plasma rifle. Does horrible flesh damage. Plasma bolts are weaker than the plasma pistol and slower. And of course, no stun. So in all, we have this horrible SMG that can't do -blam!-...
Then there's the rocket launcher. All rl wielding troopers have homing on enemies. That's ridiculous. Only invincibles should have it. Also, rl troopers are terrible in close quarters.
Then there's grenades. Elites throw it like a boss but when I throw it, there's a heck lot of waiting (it's not very noticeable, but it's there) after throwing. And of course, Jackals. I have to waste all my frags on them, and even then, they might survive. Grenades are vastly underpowered in Reach because only 2 grenades while having Elite enemies. Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful.
And don't forget about kamikaze Grunts and flying Grunts with their methane tanks. Those are the worst when in a vehicle.
Posted by: chickenlittle
Honestly the only thing I can think of reach doing right was the health system with limited recharge.Another thing Reach did right was the removal of crate climbing for Elites. Now they're obstructed (even supply cases knocked over on their face work i.e. LNoS SLASO strategy of defeating some Elite rangers on the ship).
H2 (those big yellow crates) and H3 Elites (supply cases. If I showed you a video of it, you would be absolutely horrified) had a nasty habit of climbing crates.
But other than that, they severely broke down the player options so that we have to resort to/rely on long range or cheap tactics, skipping, and invincible friendly AI. At least H2 and H3 allows one to fight up close (a la bomb room battle, third tower battle).
Reach Legendary is the equivalent of H3 SLASO, without the fun. Reach SLASO is a whole new level of unfair.
[Edited on 01.06.2012 6:35 AM PST]