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Posted by: GhostLink2401
ONE gravemind is dead. And even then, we don't even know if Halo was able to completely fire. Apparently blowing up High Charity didn't do -blam!-, so maybe GM is tougher than we give him credit for.
Remember, the Forerunners had to result to mass pan-species Xenocide in order to wipe out the flood. Halo was literally the LAST thing they could come up with. Nothing else was effective. You think blowing up the Ark completely killed GM?
The Gravemind as we know it is a non-corporeal entity that dictates the Flood. It's consciousness (which is to say, it's entire being) IS the Flood, and the Flood is its body so to speak. So long as there is Flood, the Gravemind exists. This lead me to believe that the Mind may be some sort of a mouth piece for the Primordial, at the very least a representative in a way, but personally, I believe the Primordial to be projecting his mind into the Flood creature in order to control them, and also hide himself from the galaxy behind the alias of Gravemind.
@OP.
There is overwhelming evidence pointing to the fact that Primordial (or the TO) is the Gravemind. You're also assuming the Gravemind is even dead/capable of dying. He himself said at the end of Halo 3 that firing the Halo ring wouldn't kill him, only delay him.
Posted by: Tshade31
Posted by: ajw34307
I think you should read my post on Greg Bear's discussion board and see his reply.
Posted by: Tshade31
Posted by: redm0nkey
Cryptum clearly states that The Timeless one is a Precursor.
Thank you for the comment that should end this discussion.
But it won't and everyone will just start talking about whether GM survived or not
You did play Halo 3, right? He says that defeat at Installation 04B is simply the addition to time before he returns, also Cryptum doesn't state that he's a Precursor, the Timeless One himself says he's a Precursor. What else is he? A master manipulator, we've no evidence other than his word.
you don't understand. by "return" he means the next time the flood have gained sufficient enough biomass to create an entirely new Gravemind, not the one from the original trilogy
however, i did not say it was not entirely impossible that the Timeless One did not, at one point, be absorbed by the flood.
This is his exact quote:
"Like water I ebb and flow; defeat is simply an addition of time, to a sentence to a fate I never deserved, but you...imposed"
He says nothing about "returning" as another Mind, he is talking as an individual that he has been imprisoned or sentenced to a fate, and that the Rings can only lengthen that sentence, not kill him. He says nothing about the Flood creating a "new" Mind, which is pointless to talk about anyway since each succesive Mind has the same memories and knowledge as the old one. Really there isn't a single ounce of difference between the two.
[Edited on 12.28.2011 7:39 AM PST]