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Subject: The timeless one is not the grave mind...

The humans tried to access it but only could barely communicate with it and the didactic thought it was crazy that they even made it that far

  • 12.28.2011 9:40 AM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.

I love threads about "the timeless one" so much debate.
OT/As said before couldn't the Grave-Mind be some kind of vessel for the timeless one?

  • 12.28.2011 9:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Read jimmy

  • 12.28.2011 9:51 AM PDT

Some interesting points grey good read. But are you saying that the timeless one had something to do with this 50,000 years ago?

  • 12.28.2011 10:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Nothing really concrete in that thread since i honestly have no idea what to say. Other than "Something happened 50,000 years ago".

  • 12.28.2011 10:50 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Gravemind is not dead if he is the timeless one. Your argument, it has had its validity removed.

[Edited on 12.28.2011 11:47 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 11:04 AM PDT

Hmmm makes me think what could have happened 50,000 years ago and if the timeless on was involved. This "something" interests me.

  • 12.28.2011 1:07 PM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307
I think you should read my post on Greg Bear's discussion board and see his reply.

Posted by: Tshade31

Posted by: redm0nkey
Cryptum clearly states that The Timeless one is a Precursor.

Thank you for the comment that should end this discussion.
But it won't and everyone will just start talking about whether GM survived or not


You did play Halo 3, right? He says that defeat at Installation 04B is simply the addition to time before he returns, also Cryptum doesn't state that he's a Precursor, the Timeless One himself says he's a Precursor. What else is he? A master manipulator, we've no evidence other than his word.

you don't understand. by "return" he means the next time the flood have gained sufficient enough biomass to create an entirely new Gravemind, not the one from the original trilogy
however, i did not say it was not entirely impossible that the Timeless One did not, at one point, be absorbed by the flood.

but GM always has one mind. the one in the trilogy is the one that existed 100,000 years ago, it had the majority of its mass destroyed and therefore its mind was also destroyed so long ago, but he came back in 2552 with the same mind as he did before. its just part of the flood.

  • 12.28.2011 1:48 PM PDT

Yes the gravemind is a part of the flood as long as they live he does if you destroy him you are only delaying him as he will just rebuild. As to the timeless one using the gravemind like the mouth of sauron is possible and would explain why he one mind

  • 12.28.2011 2:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Tshade31

Posted by: ajw34307
I think you should read my post on Greg Bear's discussion board and see his reply.

Posted by: Tshade31

Posted by: redm0nkey
Cryptum clearly states that The Timeless one is a Precursor.

Thank you for the comment that should end this discussion.
But it won't and everyone will just start talking about whether GM survived or not


You did play Halo 3, right? He says that defeat at Installation 04B is simply the addition to time before he returns, also Cryptum doesn't state that he's a Precursor, the Timeless One himself says he's a Precursor. What else is he? A master manipulator, we've no evidence other than his word.

you don't understand. by "return" he means the next time the flood have gained sufficient enough biomass to create an entirely new Gravemind, not the one from the original trilogy
however, i did not say it was not entirely impossible that the Timeless One did not, at one point, be absorbed by the flood.

but GM always has one mind. the one in the trilogy is the one that existed 100,000 years ago, it had the majority of its mass destroyed and therefore its mind was also destroyed so long ago, but he came back in 2552 with the same mind as he did before. its just part of the flood.


The encyclopedia confirmed that the last GM was killed by the array.

  • 12.28.2011 3:56 PM PDT

So then what happens to the rest of the flood and with the last grave mind dead will the timeless come out of the shadows?

  • 12.28.2011 7:45 PM PDT

well than how did he have memories of the past if he didnt come back?

I think that the GM and just the flood in general have the mind in its DNA, it retains the mind in even its spores and is only capable of thinking again when it has enough mass.

also i feel that the encyclopedia kind of had some contradictions in it.

  • 12.28.2011 8:28 PM PDT

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A possibility is that the Gravemind is like an a.i where in an a.i. one sacrifices their brain and so the organism live in maybe the personality of the orginal person.

The precursor may have placed a little bit of its mind or given some of its wisdom to the gravemind to make it a formidable and unbeatable to any ai.

But the true wisdom is hidden in the Timeless one. The gravemind is just a servent and its mouth a small scale of him and a taste and distraction for what is to come.

  • 12.28.2011 8:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
well than how did he have memories of the past if he didnt come back?

I think that the GM and just the flood in general have the mind in its DNA, it retains the mind in even its spores and is only capable of thinking again when it has enough mass.

also i feel that the encyclopedia kind of had some contradictions in it.


As if there aren't a butt load of issues with the genetic memory theory, which is why we ruled that out.

  • 12.28.2011 8:46 PM PDT

So the timeless is controlling the flood the flood are all but gone or atleast a large chunk of them what now for the TO? And do you guys think The timeless one will be mentioned in primordium and explained a little more or kept secret for halo 4?

[Edited on 12.28.2011 8:57 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 8:55 PM PDT
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So the timeless is controlling the flood the flood are all but gone or atleast a large chunk of them what now for the TO? And do you guys think The timeless one will be mentioned in primordium and explained a little more or kept secret for halo 4?


He will be explained, he is the mind.

  • 12.28.2011 8:58 PM PDT

Man I'm excited for primordium.. Only like a week left though

  • 12.28.2011 9:07 PM PDT

Grey you have any theories for what the TO will do now? Or in halo 4?

  • 12.28.2011 9:09 PM PDT

not going to spoil anything but the new book does describe The Timeless One and he is NOT a flood. He is an evil SOB but not flood.

  • 12.28.2011 10:22 PM PDT

Source? That sounds badass and would be how I pictured him

  • 12.29.2011 9:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Jimmy Shmo16
Source? That sounds badass and would be how I pictured him


I saw them also which is why i am not worried about my position.

It is described as this

  • 12.29.2011 9:23 AM PDT

Ya from the concept art trailer good. I just hope they make him super badass in halo 4 and scary

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  • 12.29.2011 10:00 AM PDT

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"Like water I ebb and flow; defeat is simply an addition of time, to a sentence to a fate I never deserved, but you...imposed"


timeless whaambulance..

  • 12.31.2011 5:57 AM PDT
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Madara, Tobi....call me whatever you want. I'M NO ONE. I DON'T WANT TO BE ANYONE. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS COMPLETING THE MOON'S EYE PLAN."

I understand why many people don't want the TO to be the gravemind, as that would be a very lame transformation for someone as bad@$$ as the TO. The gravemind, no matter what 343 does about it, was always lack luster. Bungie could have made it into a much cooler enemy, but they missed the mark, and he was always underwhelming for some reason. And the fact that players already know what it feels like to defeat him (halo 3 ending).

The mouthpiece theory is a much better alternative, it makes sense that the gravemind is just the voice of the TO, rather than the TO itself. People argue that the ability to command the flood is a good enough reason for the TO to be the gravemind. But no matter which way you look at them, the flood are just not THAT great. . .

Greg Bear and 343i are probably banging their heads right now trying to come up with a valid, non BS explanation as to how the forerunner could have possibly been beaten by the flood. Even with mendicant Bias on their side, and that BS excuse that the forerunner "waited too long to treat the flood as an enemy". . . its still a stretch. We all have fought the flood for 3 games, we all have defeated them (although it may have been temporary). The TO becoming one of the flood is very underwhelming.

In my humble opinion, The TO is much more frightening as TO, not the gravemind. The way the didact and the confirmer pissed their pants talking about him escaping, puts his power level well over 1 billion, let alone 9000. The gravemind in this scenario, is about as strong as yamcha.

  • 12.31.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: qirahs
Even with mendicant Bias on their side, and that BS excuse that the forerunner "waited too long to treat the flood as an enemy". . . its still a stretch.


I personally don't see it as a bad excuse.

Cryptum spent much of the latter part of the book alluding to the apathetic behavior that the Forerunner had been subjecting to themselves. They ostracized their greatest warriors, spent countless resources building great weapons, and mangled the time-space to a tangled web before the council was attacked.

Just reminds me of the Roman Empire is all, really.

  • 12.31.2011 1:39 PM PDT

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