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Subject: Primordium ~ Chapters 1-4 discussion
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Can you give me a quote that implies the humans imprisoned the Prisoner? I must have missed it.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Also, someone managed to get the book early through a preorder screw up. From what I read of his posts on halo.xbox.com, the Primordial is hearding thousands of humans into the Palace to turn them into the Flood. The Primordial, by some means that I either missed the explanation of or wasn't explained in the quoted passage, floats above the cattle-like humans as they walk to their doom, hearding them, all the while accompanied by a shimmering green light, most likely Medicant.

There were so many humans, their combined weight and walking kicked up a massive dust cloud that obscured them and the Primordial.

I am intrigued by this but will regard it with sceptism. Is the person who posted this trustworthy and/or is the passage confirmed by another member in a similar situation?

My question is why are the Forerunners letting this go on on a Halo? Why are they allowing these extremely dangerous people to continue their actions on a key military structure?

  • 12.28.2011 2:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
Can you give me a quote that implies the humans imprisoned the Prisoner? I must have missed it.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Also, someone managed to get the book early through a preorder screw up. From what I read of his posts on halo.xbox.com, the Primordial is hearding thousands of humans into the Palace to turn them into the Flood. The Primordial, by some means that I either missed the explanation of or wasn't explained in the quoted passage, floats above the cattle-like humans as they walk to their doom, hearding them, all the while accompanied by a shimmering green light, most likely Medicant.

There were so many humans, their combined weight and walking kicked up a massive dust cloud that obscured them and the Primordial.

I am intrigued by this but will regard it with sceptism. Is the person who posted this trustworthy and/or is the passage confirmed by another member in a similar situation?

My question is why are the Forerunners letting this go on on a Halo? Why are they allowing these extremely dangerous people to continue their actions on a key military structure?


I can probably give you the direct quote.

Yeah, here it is

"I walked right up to the rim and glanced down at the masses, milling around the base of the monument like so many turbulent pools, raising another great cloud of dust. Then my blood seemed to stop and freeze. There was something different moving now among the hordes, a kilometer or two away, half-obscured by the dust,hovering over the silent crowds. At first I could not tell whether it was a variety of war sphinx. But the dust raised by tramping feet briefly cleared and I saw a huge, curled up spider with many legs, nine or ten meters wide, resting on a round disk and floating with insolent majesty above the migration. Sparkling glints shone from the facets of two oval, slanted, widely spaced eyes on the front of its broad, flat head. The Captive. The Primordial."

The OP said in a different post what the Primordial was using the humans for.

This was the only direct quote he provided. He didn't want to post any significant spoilers. He said it was around 110 pages in.

Remember, the ring is a rogue Halo according to the description, not under Forerunner control. Also note that the People, specifically Vinerrva, haven't seen a living Forerunner in several days, only dead ones from the battle. Presumably, a few days earlier the battle over the Capital took place, and since then, the Halo's been under Medicant's control--again, presumably. How it all fits I don't know. A lot might be explained between the end of Ch. 4 and page 110.

[Edited on 12.28.2011 3:04 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 3:03 PM PDT

... could Chakas be 2401 Penitent Tangent? We never discover what happens to him; the dead ODSTs were see in High Charity could have been part of a strike team sent to retrieve the Monitor, and perhaps some were successful. Or maybe 2401 never even left Installation 05 to begin with.

Appears to be severely damaged duplicate (?) of device previously reported lost/destroyed

Or, as this shows it could be a duplicate of 2401.

we'd like to help you in any way we can, including making necessary repairs

2401 was damaged in Halo 2, further alluding to it being him. But it could just as easily be the Monitor of Installation 03 or any other.

I'd like it if it were Penitent Tangent though; we never really got any exposition or closure on him.

  • 12.28.2011 3:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
... could Chakas be 2401 Penitent Tangent? We never discover what happens to him; the dead ODSTs were see in High Charity could have been part of a strike team sent to retrieve the Monitor, and perhaps some were successful. Or maybe 2401 never even left Installation 05 to begin with.

Appears to be severely damaged duplicate (?) of device previously reported lost/destroyed

Or, as this shows it could be a duplicate of 2401.

we'd like to help you in any way we can, including making necessary repairs

2401 was damaged in Halo 2, further alluding to it being him. But it could just as easily be the Monitor of Installation 03 or any other.

I'd like it if it were Penitent Tangent though; we never really got any exposition or closure on him.


This could be related to the 'failsafe protocols' that 343 GS talks about in the CEA Terminals when talking about 2401's rampancy.

  • 12.28.2011 3:35 PM PDT

Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.

  • 12.28.2011 3:47 PM PDT

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  • 12.28.2011 3:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


I wonder who the science team are? :P

  • 12.28.2011 3:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


Then It makes no sense for it to be 2401. I support the idea that monitors were once human/forerunner And switch back to their "old selves" in order to avoid rampancy.

  • 12.28.2011 3:54 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


Then It makes no sense for it to be 2401.


A team of soldiers retrieve the Monitor. They take it off the ring. Scientists study it in a facility.

Not so difficult to conceive.

  • 12.28.2011 4:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


Then It makes no sense for it to be 2401.


A team of soldiers retrieve the Monitor. They take it off the ring. Scientists study it in a facility.

Not so difficult to conceive.


It is hard to understand given the circumstance in which we last saw 2401. I am not mocking you or saying it is a stupid idea, we would just need more details.

  • 12.28.2011 4:02 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


I wonder who the science team are? :P


If they were written by such a terrible author I doubt they'd even be able to tie their shoe-laces in the morning, never mind begin interrogating a Monitor.

;)

  • 12.28.2011 4:02 PM PDT

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It's possible that 2401 is related to this, in The Return the Shipmaster discovers humans have found a Monitor.

  • 12.28.2011 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


I wonder who the science team are? :P


If they were written by such a terrible author I doubt they'd even be able to tie their shoe-laces in the morning, never mind begin interrogating a Monitor.

;)


Hang on, I think I can hear Johnson calling from the Control Room of Installation 04B... He's saying something about being alive, Sanghelios... some sort of Legendary Planet? Damn, it's too bad we shut the door on him because the Control Room was exploding. ;)

[Edited on 12.28.2011 4:04 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 4:04 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


Then It makes no sense for it to be 2401.


A team of soldiers retrieve the Monitor. They take it off the ring. Scientists study it in a facility.

Not so difficult to conceive.


It is hard to understand given the circumstance in which we last saw 2401. I am not mocking you or saying it is a stupid idea, we would just need more details.


I agree, just throwing it out there as a possibility. It could serve as an explanation for the ODSTs in High Charity, that's all I'm saying. Or maybe the Gravemind didn't even bother bringing 2401 off-world with him.

  • 12.28.2011 4:04 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, the science team isn't on a Halo ring:

You've seen a Halo, haven't you? Perhaps you've visited one.

Chakas wouldn't ask the scientists that if they were on the ring.


I wonder who the science team are? :P


If they were written by such a terrible author I doubt they'd even be able to tie their shoe-laces in the morning, never mind begin interrogating a Monitor.

;)


Hang on, I think I can hear Johnson calling from the Control Room of Installation 04B... He's saying something about Sanghelios and some sort of Legendary Planet... ;)


I couldn't quite hear him, he was so high up riding the Sharquoi.

  • 12.28.2011 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I couldn't quite hear him, he was so high up riding the Sharquoi.


I think he actually killed Eden!

...

Oh wait, he's picked his severed head up and is walking away... How does he do it?!

  • 12.28.2011 4:06 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I couldn't quite hear him, he was so high up riding the Sharquoi.


I think he actually killed Eden!

...

Oh wait, he's picked his severed head up and is walking away... How does he do it?!


Eden is the Timeless One.

  • 12.28.2011 4:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog

I agree, just throwing it out there as a possibility. It could serve as an explanation for the ODSTs in High Charity, that's all I'm saying. Or maybe the Gravemind didn't even bother bringing 2401 off-world with him.


Hmm.

Naturally i assume that the older rings each had their own monitors.. Bias could have destroyed the monitor of the time to fully take control...

Ugh.


What if chakas being turned into a monitor was an experiment or something? i don't know, i can't even touch this until after i read the book. I'll research Kholo,05, and monitors in the mean time.

  • 12.28.2011 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Wolverfrog
I couldn't quite hear him, he was so high up riding the Sharquoi.


I think he actually killed Eden!

...

Oh wait, he's picked his severed head up and is walking away... How does he do it?!


Eden is the Timeless One.


No, he's Captain Jack Harkness...

Anyways, getting back to topic...

[Edited on 12.28.2011 4:09 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 4:08 PM PDT

If its now confirmed that monitors are the essence or actually are forerunners/humans then my theiry about 343 GS being the master builder or bornstellars father could be something

Loving first 4 chapters

  • 12.28.2011 4:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: RedSpiseeBalls
If its now confirmed that monitors are the essence or actually are forerunners/humans then my theiry about 343 GS being the master builder or bornstellars father could be something

Loving first 4 chapters


Faber, possibly. I don't think 343 would be Bornstellar's father though.

  • 12.28.2011 4:23 PM PDT

Faber (master builder) would also be my first guess too

  • 12.28.2011 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: hotshot revan II
It's weird that the ancient Humans didn't knew anything that their ancestors locked up the TO,but hey it's just like the Forerunners not remembering their war with the Precursors.

What the hell could have happened in the past that everyone has forgotten their ancient history.

And why is ONI so intrested in the Didact?
Return of the Didact in Halo 4 would be pure win.


That's what i have been ranting about for the past few weeks. And it seems like we are going that way.

Well history is blurred with fall of different civilizations and lost of books and records history gets marred and changed or forgotten, and soon become myths

  • 12.28.2011 4:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

For some reason I doubt it is Faber. For starters Faber was killed/captured at the Capital and if he was I doubt the Primordial or Bias would transfer his conscience inti a monitor. Another thing is the fact that the people in charge (Didact at least) don't seem to fond of him so putting Faber in charge of a Halo seems like a odd choice.

@Roberto
From the description it almost sounds like the Primordial is some big spider-like creature. Racnoss anyone?

In general I hope that the novel is not solely set on the Halo. It would be nice to see what the forerunners and the galaxy at large is doing at that time; seeing how the forerunners are acting with the Capital destroyed and whatnot.

  • 12.28.2011 4:56 PM PDT

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Not much is known but it is likely that they may be sent to repopulate certain planets after the firing of the rings. I feel the ring is also immune to the array as we know of now.

As far as i know there is not much known from what happened in the story, we know that the AI is Chakas memory kept in a machine maybe a new form of forerunners ai or on his death his brain was taken apart and placed into a machine. The way the humans make their a.i's

  • 12.28.2011 5:00 PM PDT

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