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Subject: H2V Master Servers Down!!! (herps, only for 72 hours)

Last member of the i4Ni clan.

So, the H2V master servers have been down for almost 24 hours.

This could be maintainance, or they could be down for good, we don't know yet. In the meantime, if you play H2V, call Microsoft at (800) 936-5700

Also, thread on microshaft.

Also, apparently h2v has a microsoft forum o_O

UPDATE: down for maintainance for another 48 hours. They care enough to keep the servers healthy so when h2v is finally taken down 10/9/2012, they'll be ready for something else :|

[Edited on 12.29.2011 3:07 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2011 8:59 PM PDT
Subject: H2V Master Servers Down!!!
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Would be kind of funny if they didn't even announce they were pulling the master server... I wouldn't exactly blame them if they just said "Who would read the announcement anyways?"

  • 12.28.2011 10:05 PM PDT

Regret. Regret. Regret.

Well that might explain why i can't find servers. They better not be down for good.

  • 12.28.2011 11:03 PM PDT

A Email between my friend and GFWL

I completely understand your concern and thank you for providing us this information.

We are aware of this issue and our program developement team is in touch with the Xbox and Windows Live team. We found that the Halo 2 servers are under maintenance for 72 hours since yesterday. It might take another 24-48 hours for maintenance.

  • 12.29.2011 3:04 PM PDT

Regret. Regret. Regret.

Maybe when they come back up I could finally find some servers.

  • 12.29.2011 5:01 PM PDT
Subject: H2V Master Servers Down!!! (herps, only for 72 hours)

I thought it was just me.

I still wish they could make an update to include ranked matchmaking.

  • 12.30.2011 9:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Miz KillZone
I thought it was just me.

I still wish they could make an update to include ranked matchmaking.
Too small a population. Matchmaking wouldn't even work.

  • 12.31.2011 6:53 AM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Miz KillZone
I thought it was just me.

I still wish they could make an update to include ranked matchmaking.
Too small a population. Matchmaking wouldn't even work.

Of course it would!! /end sarcasm xD

Had they included it a long time ago it may have worked...maybe...

  • 12.31.2011 6:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Miz KillZone
I thought it was just me.

I still wish they could make an update to include ranked matchmaking.
Too small a population. Matchmaking wouldn't even work.

Of course it would!! /end sarcasm xD

Had they included it a long time ago it may have worked...maybe...
Meh, I don't think they would have gotten much of a stronger following with that. Matchmaking on PC games isn't exactly consider a glorious feature by PC gamers. In fact we'd rather it not even be in the game at all than it be along side a server browser.

*Stares at Activision*

[Edited on 12.31.2011 7:07 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 7:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Miz KillZone
I thought it was just me.

I still wish they could make an update to include ranked matchmaking.
Too small a population. Matchmaking wouldn't even work.

Of course it would!! /end sarcasm xD

Had they included it a long time ago it may have worked...maybe...
Meh, I don't think they would have gotten much of a stronger following with that. Matchmaking on PC games isn't exactly consider a glorious feature by PC gamers. In fact we'd rather it not even be in the game at all than it be along side a server browser.

*Stares at Activision*

Agreed, although talking in the sense for Halo 2 Xbox gamers, that may have convinced them to carry on with Halo 2 Vista. That said, given what we know about the poor job done porting the game, I'm uncertain matchmaking would have made a difference at all.

And yes, darn you Activision...

  • 12.31.2011 10:33 AM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Miz KillZone
I thought it was just me.

I still wish they could make an update to include ranked matchmaking.
Too small a population. Matchmaking wouldn't even work.

Of course it would!! /end sarcasm xD

Had they included it a long time ago it may have worked...maybe...
Meh, I don't think they would have gotten much of a stronger following with that. Matchmaking on PC games isn't exactly consider a glorious feature by PC gamers. In fact we'd rather it not even be in the game at all than it be along side a server browser.

*Stares at Activision*


First of all I think if there was a ranked playlist from the start the numbers would be stronger.

And Halo 2 isn't a PC game to begin with, Halo is a competitive game, competitive games have/should ranking systems (Skill system)

The H2V community blows because there is no competition, all everyone wants to do is play swords or shotgun starts on the biggest -blam!- map possible, where are the actual skilled players? I'm tired of seeing servers for the mentally challenged players. I think if there was a ranking playlist there would be more incentive to play competitively.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 2:25 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 2:23 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Miz KillZone
where are the actual skilled players?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

  • 12.31.2011 2:25 PM PDT


Posted by: DusK
Posted by: Miz KillZone
where are the actual skilled players?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Alcom is one of the few that I can think of, and he's hardly ever on. And what's up with your obnoxious reply?

[Edited on 12.31.2011 2:27 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 2:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

People still play H2v?

  • 12.31.2011 3:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Miz KillZone

Posted by: DusK
Posted by: Miz KillZone
where are the actual skilled players?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Alcom is one of the few that I can think of, and he's hardly ever on. And what's up with your obnoxious reply?
He's laughing at how you're calling Halo 2 a skilled game and how you're asking where the skilled players are. To him it's obvious that skilled players don't exist on Halo 2 simply because Halo 2 is in fact unskilled. He would then proceed to link Halo 2 Noobified.

While I personally have reservations as Halo being seen as a skilled FPS, (Mostly due to it being heavily adjusted for beginners to FPS gaming and having things such as "aim assist" taking away a good chunk from the aiming skill gap.) I see it as a great game that I enjoy more than pretty much any game out there. I only enjoy it as a casual experience, though.

To your original question, here are where the skilled players are.

Contrary to what I know it seems like, I'm not trying to dis the Halo franchise. What I'm saying is that skilled PC gamers are much more interested in these games than they are the Halo series. In fact, for the most part, PC gamers hate the Halo series for making it seem like the consoles are the proper place for FPS gaming. Again, just explaining why most PC gamers aren't on Halo 2 Vista.

Just to let you know, I'm really not hating on it. I do in fact play Halo 2 Vista still. I even play it on Xlink Kai every once in a while. I love the game. (Excluding the terrible porting...)

Posted by: Miz KillZone
And Halo 2 isn't a PC game to begin with, Halo is a competitive game, competitive games have/should ranking systems (Skill system)
They should have adjusted it to be a proper PC title when porting it. Also, I'm a little confused here... You say "...isn't a PC game to begin with, Halo is a competitive game..." Do you think PC games aren't competitive? Ranking systems started on the PC and PC has been held as a highly competitive gaming platform for much longer than the consoles have. It wasn't until Halo: Combat Evolved released that people thought consoles could have a competitive FPS.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 3:17 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 3:09 PM PDT

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UT2K4 > Quake III

Halo 2 Swipe Sniping, insane melee lunge, and autoaim are the major annoyances. But I still dislike fall damage in Halo 1; he has a suit that can withstand burning plasma and has strength enchancements + he is genetically altered, but he can't fall off a 20 foot cliff in bloodgulch without getting stunned ?

Also, the stun times. If you were hit by a good banshee flyer's bolts, they freeze you so you almost have no time to get out of the way before getting run over. Halo 2 + h3 + reach improved technologically, but meh.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 3:27 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 3:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: I RaveN I
UT2K4 > Quake III
Like I said, Quake Live is where the players are. UT2k4 doesn't exactly have as many players as Quake Live does these days... Last time I checked anyways.

I see both the games being about the same skill wise. Where Quake III Arena/Quake Live have speed, Unreal Tournament has headshot mechanic. I could never really pick out which one was more skilled.

In fact I was going to include Unreal Tournament as one of the videos, but I couldn't find any truly good videos to show off the skillful gameplay.

Also, the stun times. If you were hit by a good banshee flyer's bolts, they freeze you so you almost have no time to get out of the way before getting run over.That very same thing happens in Halo: Combat Evolved... In fact I find it more annoying on that game... If you really knew what you were talking about you would have known that, though.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 3:47 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 3:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx


Halo 2 is noobified compared to CE I will agree, but it still takes plenty of skill. Why do you think MLG was so huge during H2? $100,000 checks for winners, and million $ contracts were being made, along with big sponsors like Redbull, ESPN, being aired on G4TV and USA channel, etc. It had a big skill gap whether you want to believe it or not.

I never once said PC gaming isn't competitive, that's one reason why I'm surprised by little competition in H2V, I always thought the PC gamers were hardcore, but the majority of H2V servers consist of gametypes and maps made for the mentally challenged.

I used to play Quake III back in earlier-mid 2000's, I know what competitive gaming is like and that's all I like in a multi-player game competitive gameplay or something with a decent skill gap.

  • 12.31.2011 4:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Miz KillZone

Halo 2 is noobified compared to CE I will agree, but it still takes plenty of skill. Why do you think MLG was so huge during H2? $100,000 checks for winners, and million $ contracts were being made, along with big sponsors like Redbull, ESPN, being aired on G4TV and USA channel, etc. It had a big skill gap whether you want to believe it or not.
Reason being because the game was insanely popular. Reason the game was insanely popular was how it was easy to pick up and play. Definitely wasn't easy to be amazing, but it was easier to get used to than other FPS games like Quake, Unreal, and Counter-Strike.

I never once said PC gaming isn't competitive, that's one reason why I'm surprised by little competition in H2V, I always thought the PC gamers were hardcore, but the majority of H2V servers consist of gametypes and maps made for the mentally challenged.I had a feeling you weren't, but i had to mention it just in case.

Like I said though, a lot of PC gamers aren't looking towards the Halo franchise for competitive gameplay while they have game like Counter-Strike, Quake, etc. to play instead. It also really doesn't help that the game runs through GFWL and has numerous bugs that often break the game completely with no solutions.

I used to play Quake III back in earlier-mid 2000's, I know what competitive gaming is like and that's all I like in a multi-player game competitive gameplay or something with a decent skill gap.Halo definitely has a decent skill gap. It can be played competitively, but I'm extremely picky. It's one of my weaknesses in life with just about everything :/ When I look for a competitive experience I have to have the largest skill gap I can possibly have and I think most competitive PC gamers feel the same way I do in that respect.

Also *Shakes hand* I'm always happy to come across a fellow Quake player. I honestly don't really find many anymore. Always feels nice to talk to one. xD

[Edited on 12.31.2011 4:38 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: I RaveN I

I see both the games being about the same skill wise. Where Quake III Arena/Quake Live have speed, Unreal Tournament has headshot mechanic. I could never really pick out which one was more skilled.

[quote]Also, the stun times. If you were hit by a good banshee flyer's bolts, they freeze you so you almost have no time to get out of the way before getting run over.
That very same thing happens in Halo: Combat Evolved... In fact I find it more annoying on that game... If you really knew what you were talking about you would have known that, though.

1) Erm, quake and ut2k4 have about the same speed, but I find ut2k4 to be more team based, where quake is more ffa based.
2) I was talking about HaloCE with the stun... they dropped it in halo 2. It was a good idea, the stun time was just too much.

  • 12.31.2011 4:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx
Reason being because the game was insanely popular. Reason the game was insanely popular was how it was easy to pick up and play.


Ummm... Then how come you don't see CoD doing this? It can't because the skill gap in that game is minimal. Halo is a skill oriented game when using MLG settings. I honestly doubt it was due to popularity.

A former CS semi/professional preferred Halo as a competitive game and soon became a professional H2,H3 player, that must mean something, right? In no way am I implying that he said it took more skill, BTW. You might have heard of him as (SK HaloGod, he went by some other name during his CS days)

Also *Shakes hand* I'm always happy to come across a fellow Quake player. I honestly don't really find many anymore. Always feels nice to talk to one. xD

Yep, I'm also one of the few females that played that game. My brother is the reason for me being so competitive, he just so happened to be a professional H2 player (Mainly FFA IIRC), and a H3 Pro as well.



[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:15 PM PST]

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Posted by: Miz KillZone
Ummm... Then how come you don't see CoD doing this? It can't because the skill gap in that game is minimal. Halo is a skill oriented game when using MLG settings. I honestly doubt it was due to popularity.
Actually CoD has taken more of a viewing than Halo in MLG this year. It's actually growing in popularity. Also, Halo had no other real FPS games to compare to in the minds of console gamers. MLG settings do not take away the larger hitboxes, the aim assist, etc. that are the main reasons behind Halo's skill gap not being as high as it could be.

A former CS semi/professional preferred Halo as a competitive game and soon became a professional H2,H3 player, that must mean something, right? In no way am I implying that he said it took more skill, BTW. You might have heard of him as (SK HaloGod, he went by some other name during his CS days)Yeah, I actually do know of him. SK themselves started out as a Quake/Counter-Strike community. They also now play Halo and Call of Duty. I myself prefer playing Halo over Counter-Strike myself. I like that sort of game better. In terms of if I think it's more competitive, I don't think so. Just my opinion, though.

Yep, I'm also one of the few females that played that game. My brother is the reason for me being so competitive, he just so happened to be a professional H2 player (Mainly FFA IIRC), and a H3 Pro as well.
Nice! xD My ex-girlfriend was a Q3A player as well. She wasn't competitive, though. Her father got her into it. I was shocked when I found it on her computer the first time I came over to her house. We actually played LANs over at her house all the time.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:45 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 5:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx
Also, MLG settings do not take away the larger hitboxes, the aim assist, etc. that are the main reasons behind Halo's skill gap not being as high as it could be.


Not having Aim Assist on a console game would make it damn near impossible to hit someone consistently. Have you ever tried firing at a teammate, and noticed how much harder it is?

It's so hard to hit someone precisely on a controller without some AA. Mouses are more precise, thus PC games don't need Aim Assist.

This should have been obvious...

Also there is way more to skill in a game than just aiming and having good shots that's like a small portion of what makes someone good. Teamwork, Smarts, map awareness, set ups, etc. Those can all make up for bad shots.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:41 PM PST]

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Posted by: Miz KillZone

Not having Aim Assist on a console game would make it damn near impossible to hit someone consistently. Have you ever tried firing at a teammate, and noticed how much harder it is?


It's so hard to hit someone precisely on a controller without some AA. Mouses are more precise, thus PC games don't need Aim Assist.
I have. In fact I've done one over that. I've used a 360 controller on Halo PC. It's tough, but it isn't impossible. This goes towards another discussion I've been having recently in the Combat Evolved forum. It being that there needs to be a better way to make the controller more precise. Either a change in design so that the controllers are more precise without need of help from inside the game or for Microsoft to allow Keyboard/Mouse available along with the ability to turn aim assist on/off. People could still choose to use the controller and if they feel it's not fair then obviously they need to learn to use the equipment that is best for the job.


This should have been obvious...Indeed it is... Which is why I think it's a tad silly people are using controllers for competitive gaming when they're so bad with precision and letting things such as aim assist in which takes away from the skill gap Halo could potentially have.

Also there is way more to skill in a game than just aiming and having good shots that's like a small portion of what makes someone good. Teamwork, Smarts, map awareness, set ups, etc. Those can all make up for bad shots.Definitely. That's why I said Halo does in fact have a decent skill gap. People always think when I say this that I mean a game takes 0 skill. I don't mean that at all. What I mean is that it's not being brought to its full potential. If at least one of these things are being hindered I think it's a terrible set back that should have never happened.

Halo specifically focuses on precision. In fact I feel it's the second most important thing Halo is built around in its competitive side. (The first being teamwork)

If they were to fix these things that would be tremendous. Halo would definitely be considered one of the highest skill games around in my opinion.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 6:00 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 5:56 PM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

Halo is a casual FPS series.

That's all you had to say =)

  • 12.31.2011 7:56 PM PDT

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