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Dear Vitamin Zawaz,

Shut the hell up. That is all.

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Posted by: Omega Impala
The problem is...halo2sucks.com carries a STRONG negative connotation to Halo 2. Even people who belong to that group must acknowledge that. Trust me, if you just changed the name, the amount of people spamming you would drop at least 50% if not more.

They're both quality games. Halo 2 most definitely does NOT suck, even if the infamous 1>2 is true (which I don't entirely believe). Thus, the reason people rush to judgment of the people who say they are representing it.


Heh, I agree with you. There is no other site that I can find that has people debating Halo2's flaws and how to improve it. So I go to Halo2sucks.com. If I were an admin there and could change the name to, "ImproveHalo" I would. I used to have a group here named that with over 100 members.

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Posted by: Omega Impala
The problem is...halo2sucks.com carries a STRONG negative connotation to Halo 2. Even people who belong to that group must acknowledge that. Trust me, if you just changed the name, the amount of people spamming you would drop at least 50% if not more.

They're both quality games. Halo 2 most definitely does NOT suck, even if the infamous 1>2 is true (which I don't entirely believe). Thus, the reason people rush to judgment of the people who say they are representing it.


I somewhat agree with you here.

Halo 2 is not an awful game. The topic creator acknowledged that. But in our eyes, compared to Halo 1, it was a big step in the wrong direction. However, although Halo2Sucks gives off a huge negative image, it isn't all about hatred. The forums there are a calm place to discuss what you do and do not like about Halo 2. I think the only reason the website was created is because B.net moderators removed any and all topics than dissed their latest creation, which made the hardcore gamers even more unhappy.

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Geez, at least be consistant. Just because they have what LOOKS like the old Assault Rifle you're kissing their ass. If the Chief had been holding a Halo Pistol then I bet you would have tried to make love to Frankie. My point is, you and your brethren bashed Bungie, said they were sellouts, -blam!-ed about just every little thing in Halo 2, and generally were a bunch of -blam!-s. Now you've come back apologizing, when we all know as soon as the game comes out you and your buddies are going to start up halo3sucks.com. I am not Bungie, and cannot speak for them, but as someone who has great respect for Bungie and their games, I would like to say one thing. Apology not accepted.


Here is one person I am talking about. He doesn't like people talking about flaws in the game? Only the bad apples of the community bashed Bungie. I don't, I like Halo2 and all of their games infact! We did state that bungie sold out because the tried to make the games easier to play so people of all ages could pick up the controller and start 4 shotting people with the BR. We did say that, that is a flaw, one that we disscussed.
Only the bad apples bashed Bungie? On the main page of the site it has "Sellout" scrawled over the Bungie logo. And at least I tried to explain my reasoning, instead of saying "OMG j00 suck i lik halo 2 and yuhr GHAY!!" I am not going to be surprised when the game comes out and it gets bashed. Again. Even though Halo 2 was a great game, and I bet Halo 3 will be too. But for now, forget it. Let's just enjoy the announcement of Halo 3.


I disagree with the main page but, there are good people in that community on the forums. I disagree with people that say, "Bungie is horrible for runing halo2." because I myself like it. I may like Halo1 more but I still think Halo2 is a pretty damn good game. Many people think the same way as me overthere.
I'm just getting tired of this whole thing. Arguing on the internet is retarded. Halo 1 and 2 are in the past, and this isn't a forum about Halo 1 or 2, it's about Halo 3. I think we should let this thread die, because it's eventually going to get locked due to Fanboy wars.

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Dear Vitamin Zawaz,

Shut the hell up. That is all.


He said sorry? Why are you such an immaure jerk?

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Geez, at least be consistant. Just because they have what LOOKS like the old Assault Rifle you're kissing their ass. If the Chief had been holding a Halo Pistol then I bet you would have tried to make love to Frankie. My point is, you and your brethren bashed Bungie, said they were sellouts, -blam!-ed about just every little thing in Halo 2, and generally were a bunch of -blam!-s. Now you've come back apologizing, when we all know as soon as the game comes out you and your buddies are going to start up halo3sucks.com. I am not Bungie, and cannot speak for them, but as someone who has great respect for Bungie and their games, I would like to say one thing. Apology not accepted.


Here is one person I am talking about. He doesn't like people talking about flaws in the game? Only the bad apples of the community bashed Bungie. I don't, I like Halo2 and all of their games infact! We did state that bungie sold out because the tried to make the games easier to play so people of all ages could pick up the controller and start 4 shotting people with the BR. We did say that, that is a flaw, one that we disscussed.
Only the bad apples bashed Bungie? On the main page of the site it has "Sellout" scrawled over the Bungie logo. And at least I tried to explain my reasoning, instead of saying "OMG j00 suck i lik halo 2 and yuhr GHAY!!" I am not going to be surprised when the game comes out and it gets bashed. Again. Even though Halo 2 was a great game, and I bet Halo 3 will be too. But for now, forget it. Let's just enjoy the announcement of Halo 3.


I disagree with the main page but, there are good people in that community on the forums. I disagree with people that say, "Bungie is horrible for runing halo2." because I myself like it. I may like Halo1 more but I still think Halo2 is a pretty damn good game. Many people think the same way as me overthere.
I'm just getting tired of this whole thing. Arguing on the internet is retarded. Halo 1 and 2 are in the past, and this isn't a forum about Halo 1 or 2, it's about Halo 3. I think we should let this thread die, because it's eventually going to get locked due to Fanboy wars.


I consider it debating...I like it. I am not trying to argue. I like to have peacful debates from time to time.

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Probably the only reason that Halo 2 Sucks was formed was because of the removal of the M6C Pistol.

The reason why Bungie made the weapons changes was to make it more realistic after criticism from the military. What soldier would use a pistol as his main gun, and to make it worse, one that can kill from across the map? They wouldn't, a marine would use a Battle Rifle, then resort to a pistol after the BR jammed or ran out of ammo.

Honestly, Bungie does not need to or want to apologize to you guys. The only reason that you probably could not handle Halo 2 was because most of the weapons require some tactical thought.

Besides the fact, many of your points are moot. It destroys your credibility to say that the menu system and the heads-up display right on down to the fact that there is no between level loading times is bad for Halo 2.



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I'm sorry I only ready the first line of the first post and then replied. Laziness.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

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Posted by: EvilTurkey1021
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Geez, at least be consistant. Just because they have what LOOKS like the old Assault Rifle you're kissing their ass. If the Chief had been holding a Halo Pistol then I bet you would have tried to make love to Frankie. My point is, you and your brethren bashed Bungie, said they were sellouts, -blam!-ed about just every little thing in Halo 2, and generally were a bunch of -blam!-s. Now you've come back apologizing, when we all know as soon as the game comes out you and your buddies are going to start up halo3sucks.com. I am not Bungie, and cannot speak for them, but as someone who has great respect for Bungie and their games, I would like to say one thing. Apology not accepted.


Here is one person I am talking about. He doesn't like people talking about flaws in the game? Only the bad apples of the community bashed Bungie. I don't, I like Halo2 and all of their games infact! We did state that bungie sold out because the tried to make the games easier to play so people of all ages could pick up the controller and start 4 shotting people with the BR. We did say that, that is a flaw, one that we disscussed.
Only the bad apples bashed Bungie? On the main page of the site it has "Sellout" scrawled over the Bungie logo. And at least I tried to explain my reasoning, instead of saying "OMG j00 suck i lik halo 2 and yuhr GHAY!!" I am not going to be surprised when the game comes out and it gets bashed. Again. Even though Halo 2 was a great game, and I bet Halo 3 will be too. But for now, forget it. Let's just enjoy the announcement of Halo 3.


I disagree with the main page but, there are good people in that community on the forums. I disagree with people that say, "Bungie is horrible for runing halo2." because I myself like it. I may like Halo1 more but I still think Halo2 is a pretty damn good game. Many people think the same way as me overthere.
I'm just getting tired of this whole thing. Arguing on the internet is retarded. Halo 1 and 2 are in the past, and this isn't a forum about Halo 1 or 2, it's about Halo 3. I think we should let this thread die, because it's eventually going to get locked due to Fanboy wars.


You are right in the sense that this topic is turning into a FLAME war (NOT fanboys),
But this guy is trying to apologize to Bungie on behalf of a group of people who used to worship the ground Bungie walked on, and these people slammed him for it, and I think it's a shame to let something like that slip away. If everytime someone tries to apologize, they get slammed, they would eventually quit. And I DO think Bungie gives a -blam!- about this apology, since the thread did not disappear within 30 seconds of it being posted. Even though it probably will due to the arguments.

....I have a feeling I just went the really long way around saying that...haha, sorry.

  • 05.10.2006 6:36 PM PDT

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For you to say someone is ignorant because their oppinion over a video game is just plain out moronic.

That is your opinion and I stick with mine...I seriously doubt that a majority of this forum understands good game design, hell even I don't. I just have a grasp on it, since that is what I am majoring in...

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Wow, how can you say that just the bad apples bashed Bungie at that site. The front page, Is full of Bashing. Anyone from H2sucks.com isn't a true Halo fan.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Probably the only reason that Halo 2 Sucks was formed was because of the removal of the M6C Pistol.

The reason why Bungie made the weapons changes was to make it more realistic after criticism from the military. What soldier would use a pistol as his main gun, and to make it worse, one that can kill from across the map? They wouldn't, a marine would use a Battle Rifle, then resort to a pistol after the BR jammed or ran out of ammo.

Honestly, Bungie does not need to or want to apologize to you guys. The only reason that you probably could not handle Halo 2 was because most of the weapons require some tactical thought.

Besides the fact, many of your points are moot. It destroys your credibility to say that the menu system and the heads-up display right on down to the fact that there is no between level loading times is bad for Halo 2.





We didn't ask for bungie to apologize. The thread starter considered aplogizing for what some of the members have done. (Bash bungie, flame, ect.)

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Ok, considering this thread was started to thank Bungie for the direction it appears they are taking Halo 3...I will try to drag this back on track.

When the "real" Fight for Earth a lot of us were expecting in Halo 2 didn't really happen as we pictured it would, it instilled a lot of doubt to many gamers by what direction Bungie was taking the franchise.

However, I really think that this trailer, showing an Earth dominated by Covenant and the apparent Civil War over has really lifted the hopes of many like myself. Good job Bungie, you have managed to get me more excited about Halo 3 than I thought I would...kudos.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
The reason why Bungie made the weapons changes was to make it more realistic after criticism from the military. What soldier would use a pistol as his main gun, and to make it worse, one that can kill from across the map? They wouldn't, a marine would use a Battle Rifle, then resort to a pistol after the BR jammed or ran out of ammo.



It's called Combat Evolved, and is set in the future. You don't think it's possible a highly powerful pistol could be devleloped in the next 50 years? It's not even that technologically advanced, it just has explosive rounds and can fire long distances with high accuracy.

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Posted by: Omega Impala
Ok, considering this thread was started to thank Bungie for the direction it appears they are taking Halo 3...I will try to drag this back on track.

When the "real" Fight for Earth a lot of us were expecting in Halo 2 didn't really happen as we pictured it would, it instilled a lot of doubt to many gamers by what direction Bungie was taking the franchise.

However, I really think that this trailer, showing an Earth dominated by Covenant and the apparent Civil War over has really lifted the hopes of many like myself. Good job Bungie, you have managed to get me more excited about Halo 3 than I thought I would...kudos.


This is exactly what this thread is all about, and I thankyou for realizing that. Bungie have listened to the input of their fans, both the ones who come to this forum and discuss it, and the ones who goto another forum and disucuss it in a negative manner. This is what he is showing gratitude for, and I hope other people here will begin to see this like you have.

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Posted by: B0SSWIDAH0TSAUS
Wow, how can you say that just the bad apples bashed Bungie at that site. The front page, Is full of Bashing. Anyone from H2sucks.com isn't a true Halo fan.


So I am not a true halo fan? You are full of it. I have played every marathon, oni, and all the halos (except halo3). I go over there to talk about balance issues and new gametypes and playlist ideas. Did you not read my other post? I said if I was the admin then I would change that but that is the only place that talks about Halo2's flaws and how it could be improved. I posted what would be nice to be in Halo3 and thing that could be improved from Halo1 and I got my post delted by a mod for, "Talking bad about Halo2." When I never once insulted the game at all.

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Good lord... leave the dude alone.

If it were you all, you would want to be forgiven, so let this guy apologize if he wants to.

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^^AMEN!

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Posted by: EvilTurkey1021
Geez, at least be consistant. Just because they have what LOOKS like the old Assault Rifle you're kissing their ass. If the Chief had been holding a Halo Pistol then I bet you would have tried to make love to Frankie. My point is, you and your brethren bashed Bungie, said they were sellouts, -blam!-ed about just every little thing in Halo 2, and generally were a bunch of -blam!-s. Now you've come back apologizing, when we all know as soon as the game comes out you and your buddies are going to start up halo3sucks.com. I am not Bungie, and cannot speak for them, but as someone who has great respect for Bungie and their games, I would like to say one thing. Apology not accepted.
That's quite alright. The only thing I ask you to do, is to not generalize by calling me and "buddies" a bunch of names. You're only stooping to the level of an idiot. Don't forget, the apology wasn't directed at you in the first place.

Understand something: I used to make dumb threads on here and on h2sucks.com. Then I deleted the ones that were left over because I felt bad about making them in the first place. I have matured and changed my attitude, and have aplogized for it. I have completely redeemed myself.
There will be no halo3sucks.com. Can I guarantee it? No. I am not the creator of h2sucks.com. Do I think there should be a halo3sucks.com? Absolutely not. H2sucks.com already caused a great conflict, it would worsen things if there were another site as well.

So, evilturkey, with all that in mind, I suggest you pay attention to the original topic: me appreciating the AR making a possible return.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Probably the only reason that Halo 2 Sucks was formed was because of the removal of the M6C Pistol.

The reason why Bungie made the weapons changes was to make it more realistic after criticism from the military. What soldier would use a pistol as his main gun, and to make it worse, one that can kill from across the map? They wouldn't, a marine would use a Battle Rifle, then resort to a pistol after the BR jammed or ran out of ammo.

Honestly, Bungie does not need to or want to apologize to you guys. The only reason that you probably could not handle Halo 2 was because most of the weapons require some tactical thought.

Besides the fact, many of your points are moot. It destroys your credibility to say that the menu system and the heads-up display right on down to the fact that there is no between level loading times is bad for Halo 2.




Pay attention to the topic. I'm sorry I ever mentioned the site. I'll be sure to not reveal any part of myself next time. Like I said, I will not debate any part of Halo 2 anymore. The debate is over, it's been over since it started...Halo 2 has already been out, the arguments are done.

  • 05.10.2006 6:49 PM PDT
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Wow sad if you hate or love this game because of that one gun.... sad...

  • 05.10.2006 6:51 PM PDT
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Still, I really think that the trailer is either:
A) A "vision" of what will happen if MC doesn't achieve something
B) Basically what the introduction will look to the game, again a "vision"
C) The finale to the game...a bit of a downer tho :(

I still think its a vision, but what do I know?

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Posted by: Apple Cookie
Wow sad if you hate or love this game because of that one gun.... sad...

Please understand....you must...
It was a simple "thank you" to Bungie since they have just shown that they still enjoy Halo 1. I have not judged the whole game. I (and many others) are simply happy that Bungie has gone out of their way to include aspects of both games.

  • 05.10.2006 6:54 PM PDT
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then dual weild it..how many times in halo 1 did he have trhat dam thing in 1 hand...i can mention rite now in two betrayals he holds one hadn up to cortona and the ar to 343 ready to fire if he trys to do anything stupid like go for cortona....

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Haha he said halo2sucks.com 8 times...lol, but I don't seem to get those groups that hate Halo 2, for example I don't like most (if not all) sport video games but I don't make little groups that hate on the games. Frick what ever, do what you want its your life even though theres no point in it just wasting valuable time talking about how much so and so game sucked.

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