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Subject: Would you like Halo women to be beautiful/gorgeous?

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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As a straight female, I think that Veronica Dare is a beautiful woman. People wanted Miranda Lawson and got Dare instead.

I don't mean to sound like a raging feminist, but honestly, I'm so disappointed in the fanbase treating her character in the way that they did. She's capable, intelligent, and is wearing decent armor, instead of a metal bikini.

What's so ugly about her? Maybe I'm such an optimist that I can't see her horrendous physical flaws.

Tell me, do you find this woman attractive?

Look at that woman. Now look at Dare. Back to that woman.

Now back to Dare.

That's Tricia Helfer, the woman who voices Dare and is what Dare's physical character model is based on.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 12:26 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 12:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
As a straight female, I think that Veronica Dare is a beautiful woman. People wanted Miranda Lawson and got Dare instead.

I don't mean to sound like a raging feminist, but honestly, I'm so disappointed in the fanbase treating her character in the way that they did. She's capable, intelligent, and is wearing decent armor, instead of a metal bikini.

What's so ugly about her? Maybe I'm such an optimist that I can't see her horrendous physical flaws.

Tell me, do you find this woman attractive?

Look at that woman. Now look at Dare. Back to that woman.

Now back to Dare.

That's Tricia Helfer, the woman who voices Dare and is what Dare's physical character model is based on.


To be honest, I do not find her really attractive. Her features are too defined in my opinion, I am a guy that likes girls/women with soft faces. That's just me though, not saying she is ugly or anything, in fact quite the opposite, she is really good looking just not my type of woman.

  • 12.31.2011 1:37 AM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
She was too manly to be honest, Buck should pick some girl like Parissa (spellcheck?) or that girl that died in the "Prototype" Episode of Halo: Legends.


I think it is quite obvious Buck was quere. I mean, "women with balls"? Come on, how much more obvious can it get?

[Edited on 12.31.2011 3:32 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 3:31 AM PDT

Posted by: cortana 5
As a straight female, I think that Veronica Dare is a beautiful woman. People wanted Miranda Lawson and got Dare instead.

I don't mean to sound like a raging feminist, but honestly, I'm so disappointed in the fanbase treating her character in the way that they did. She's capable, intelligent, and is wearing decent armor, instead of a metal bikini.

What's so ugly about her? Maybe I'm such an optimist that I can't see her horrendous physical flaws.

Tell me, do you find this woman attractive?

Look at that woman. Now look at Dare. Back to that woman.

Now back to Dare.

That's Tricia Helfer, the woman who voices Dare and is what Dare's physical character model is based on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE

  • 12.31.2011 3:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
She was too manly to be honest, Buck should pick some girl like Parissa (spellcheck?) or that girl that died in the "Prototype" Episode of Halo: Legends.


I think it is quite obvious Buck was quere. I mean, "women with balls"? Come on, how much more obvious can it get?


True, I had forgotten about that, guess he is into that kind of stuff...

  • 12.31.2011 3:36 AM PDT

Posted by: BIGTIME889
omg im so drunk how did i get in this thread sry if makes no sense lol!
Posted by: Sgt Peanut
I'm not actually -blam!-, I just hate boobs.

I like to tape strawberries to my tits.

Oh hey look, Dare.

Now, come again.. You said she was ugly?

Also, searching "Veronica Dare" on google, safe search off... God damn rule 34, man.

  • 12.31.2011 3:52 AM PDT

Tricia Helfer is one incredibly sexy lady, and anyone who's watched Battlestar Galactica can attest to that. But Bungie didn't capture her facial image properly, and although you can see echoes of Helfer in Dare, the latter doesn't look nearly so attractive.

They didn't get Nathan Fillion exactly right, either. They did a decent enough job considering there wasn't any motion capturing involved, though. I was hoping to see them both in Reach with enhanced facial rendering to make them look better, but unfortunately we only saw Buck in his armour and for an average cameo.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:11 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 5:10 AM PDT

I would take an interesting character over an attractive one any day. My problem with Dare wasn't her looks because I honestly don't like it when game developers make the women in their game look like whores (Lost Planet 2 anyone?). My problem with her was that I couldn't connect to her in any way, so when the Rookie met up with her near the end I didn't really care what she did or what happened to her. If she said more than "my orders" until the end then maybe I would have liked her more.

  • 12.31.2011 5:16 AM PDT

I think all the female characters so far have been really pretty, Kat is my personal favorite, gorgeous accent also.

  • 12.31.2011 6:47 PM PDT
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I'm sure she would look better out of a combat situation. But otherwise I didn't think she was unattractive, just not my prefrence.

  • 12.31.2011 7:58 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
OP i am not bashing you,but.

Pretty women in a war game? What sense does that make?


Some surrealism is what makes every game interesting. :)

Otherwise, hot people like Jill Valentine, Chris Redfield, Leon Kennedy, Claire Redfield, and Sheva Alomar wouldn't be fighting hordes of zombies and kicking ass with good looks.

Halo and Resident Evil are fantasy worlds, anyway. Surrealism doesn't hurt.

  • 12.31.2011 9:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Zombie Mamba
I think all the female characters so far have been really pretty, Kat is


Whut?

  • 12.31.2011 9:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
As a straight female, I think that Veronica Dare is a beautiful woman. People wanted Miranda Lawson and got Dare instead.

I don't mean to sound like a raging feminist, but honestly, I'm so disappointed in the fanbase treating her character in the way that they did. She's capable, intelligent, and is wearing decent armor, instead of a metal bikini.

What's so ugly about her? Maybe I'm such an optimist that I can't see her horrendous physical flaws.

Tell me, do you find this woman attractive?

Look at that woman. Now look at Dare. Back to that woman.

Now back to Dare.

That's Tricia Helfer, the woman who voices Dare and is what Dare's physical character model is based on.


Dare's chin.

/thread.

  • 12.31.2011 9:12 PM PDT

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Not really. I'd rather see someone in a helmet than some pretty lady torn to pieces by enemy fire.

  • 12.31.2011 9:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: cortana 5
As a straight female, I think that Veronica Dare is a beautiful woman. People wanted Miranda Lawson and got Dare instead.

I don't mean to sound like a raging feminist, but honestly, I'm so disappointed in the fanbase treating her character in the way that they did. She's capable, intelligent, and is wearing decent armor, instead of a metal bikini.

What's so ugly about her? Maybe I'm such an optimist that I can't see her horrendous physical flaws.

Tell me, do you find this woman attractive?

Look at that woman. Now look at Dare. Back to that woman.

Now back to Dare.

That's Tricia Helfer, the woman who voices Dare and is what Dare's physical character model is based on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE


Not going to lie, pretty funny.

  • 12.31.2011 9:23 PM PDT

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My thoughts exactly
Posted by: Grizzwizz
I would take an interesting character over an attractive one any day. My problem with Dare wasn't her looks because I honestly don't like it when game developers make the women in their game look like whores (Lost Planet 2 anyone?). My problem with her was that I couldn't connect to her in any way, so when the Rookie met up with her near the end I didn't really care what she did or what happened to her. If she said more than "my orders" until the end then maybe I would have liked her more.

  • 01.02.2012 10:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Onyx81
Even Halo follows that standard with Cortana, Miranda, and Serina.
Giggety. But yep I agree with hot female game characters. No problem there, son.

  • 01.03.2012 10:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
[Dare] was too manly to be honest, Buck should pick some girl like Parissa (spellcheck?).
"You ever fall for a women, make sure she's got balls."

  • 01.03.2012 12:15 PM PDT

I think the big proble with Dare isn't tnecessarily the fact that she is unattractive. Bungie licensed the likenesses of both Nathan Fillion for Buck and Tricia Helfer for Dare and while Buck looks very much like Nathan, Dare is nowhere near as gorgeous as Tricia Helfer. Bungie's character artists really dropped the ball with her. So that's the problem. She's ugly compared to who she is supposed to look like.

  • 01.03.2012 12:20 PM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

Do you think is the fault of bad coding but she would otherwise is supposed to look pretty?
Posted by: CowPieSky32
I think the big proble with Dare isn't tnecessarily the fact that she is unattractive. Bungie licensed the likenesses of both Nathan Fillion for Buck and Tricia Helfer for Dare and while Buck looks very much like Nathan, Dare is nowhere near as gorgeous as Tricia Helfer. Bungie's character artists really dropped the ball with her. So that's the problem. She's ugly compared to who she is supposed to look like.

Posted by: CowPieSky32
I think the big proble with Dare isn't tnecessarily the fact that she is unattractive. Bungie licensed the likenesses of both Nathan Fillion for Buck and Tricia Helfer for Dare and while Buck looks very much like Nathan, Dare is nowhere near as gorgeous as Tricia Helfer. Bungie's character artists really dropped the ball with her. So that's the problem. She's ugly compared to who she is supposed to look like.

  • 01.05.2012 5:16 AM PDT
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.

I honestly don't see the problem, Dare isn't ugly, and Tricia Helfer certainly isn't.

I think most of the "complaints" came from some people having an unrealistic ideal of what "beauty" is.
It's understandable, we are surrounded by pictures of 'supermodels' in all our media and adverts, and people fail to realise that even the supermodels don't look like that. There's a lot of after editing, airbrushing/photoshop/whathaveyou done in all these images.
People expected a 'cartoonised' ideal of beauty (the DOA games are a perfect example) and got a realistic depiction instead.

  • 01.05.2012 10:05 AM PDT

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Dare just had a bizarre chin.

I feel like a few of her facial features were far more masculine than what is typical/natural. When you are a male that is literally wired to respond to the female shape, a slight variation can cause quite an awkward feeling. It's not quite unlike the Uncanny Valley, really.

You don't have to like us for it, but don't hate us over it, either. Female characters don't have to be skinny, blonde with 34D sized breasts. Alex Vance from the Half Life series is often tossed around as an example. Or how about Zoe from Left4Dead?

Veronica wasn't ugly, just had some features that seemed to make many male players...uneasy. You couldn't be attracted to her, but she wasn't necessarily ugly.

But, in the end, we are Human, and humans love physical representations of sex. To deny the byproduct of our ideals leaking into our art forms, video games included, would be to deny what art is and, so it seems, what it is to be Human.

  • 01.05.2012 10:37 AM PDT

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Attractiveness never hurts.

  • 01.05.2012 12:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Cortana is naked and you're complaining the women in Halo aren't attractive enough? NOTHING pleases you people.

  • 01.05.2012 1:25 PM PDT

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I'm sort of in the middle here (not the most gratuitous choice of words).

Let's put it this way, male gamers like a female character with good looks, it helps us pay attention to the character more and generally makes them more likable in the eyes of the fans. Just look at the fanbase of Final Fantasy... Whilst we can't expect every female character to be a Yvonne Strahovski clone (as nice as that would be), a character considered attractive is often better than some kind of Manbear. Complain all you like about Dare's chin, she's like the Karen Gillan of gaming compared to Kat.

With that said, sometimes the line is crossed.

[Edited on 01.05.2012 1:34 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 1:32 PM PDT

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