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I thought this was all common knowledge about the Ark, and the importance of humans and all... o.O What with the whole "Ah good, a reclaimer!" -343GS and "They're confused... like they didn't expect us to be here!" -Cortana...

But hey, you say you posted it only 1 month after Halo's release. So yeah.

It's a good theory, but I am holding with the argument that the human animal is far too flawed to be this super race, the forerunners... That, and we evolved from apes. =)

Maybe an implementation of Forerunner DNA or information or something... But our genome has been mapped. I don't know... I'll stick to whatever Bungie cooks up. =P

  • 05.11.2006 9:45 AM PDT
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yes... i think the arc has some prophets... and possibly.. forunners.

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Please take the paperbags off our heads bungie, and tell us were you are taking us on this trip?

I think humans have a some what relation with the forruners, but not a direct link.

  • 05.11.2006 9:57 AM PDT
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wait....didnt 343 say that all the forruners had died when the rings were activated as planned....but he also said that only withing 3radiai of the galactic center...so with subsapce and all there may be some still out there.....


A thought which I had reading this was that maybe the earth itself is taken into subspace, (or at least enveloped in a subspace bubble) by the technology within the ark.

We know that forerunner slipspace technology was highly advanced, and we now that the ark is buried. What if what we see in the trailer is only the tip of a much larger installation, and the flash of light as it fires is the slipspace technology going off to cause the Earth to survive the blast from the halos going off.?

Just a though on the mechanics of it...


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  • 05.11.2006 10:02 AM PDT
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i like that idea ^

  • 05.11.2006 11:57 AM PDT
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I just watched the video again and i noticed when the arc opend it lined up perfectly with the worm hole above it. makeing seem as that it was enibilitaly going to fire something or receive something above it.

  • 05.11.2006 11:59 AM PDT
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There was a 100 page thread about this two years ago in New Mombassa, I agreed with the theory then, I agree with the theory now.

  • 05.11.2006 12:12 PM PDT
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The forerunner = human postulation seems to be where Bungie is taking the story, but it overlooks some pretty elementary science. There are no significant gaps in the fossil record from Australopithecus to modern humans. It spells out a clear chronology, with no room for a godlike technologically advanced civilization to develop in between. That said, humans are definately and obviously a product of terrestrial evolution, so humans couldn't be Forerunner derivatives merely placed on Earth to safeguard the Ark (or something along those lines). I know it's science *fiction*, but the "science" half implies that there has to be some factual plausibility. What if, merely out of suggestion, the story dictates that the Forerunner placed the Ark on Earth after they concluded that another race of sentient animals was on the rise, and that race would summarily bury the artifact with their own civilization? In this tradition, maybe 343 Guilty Spark recognized the Master Cheif as an agent of the Forerunner because of his origins on the planet where the Forerunner placed such a vital tool, and not because he thought that the humans *were* Forerunners.

Granted Bungie can take the story wherever they damn well please, but it would be nice to see something more in tune with fact, so as not to leave open huge hatches for negative literary criticism.

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Actually I've noticed that in the Halo series that they've been hinting towards humanity having a important part in the forerunners.

It's kinda ironic at the same time. The covenant worship the forerunners, and consider human beings to be a blight to this. When all this time, they've been commiting genocide on the very race they worship.

One other thing is that guilty spark always seems to be confused as to why they are not aware of why human beings aren't aware of certain things. In Halo 1 he didn't tell the Cheif what halo was, because he assumed he already knew (he was surprised when he found out cheif didn't know). In halo 2 he was surprised that johnson and keyes didn't know about the ark either. However when dealing with the brutes and elites, he does not show the additude that they're supposed to know anything, making the forerunners = humans.

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That isn't a bad theory, but only 1 problem. In H1 343 guilty spark (i think thats the 1 in H1) goes through the big human cruiser reading from its libraries, saying all of the information is fascinating and new meaning hes never seen/heard it before. That means that humans can't be forerunners because the forerunners created him therefore he would have to have knowledge of humans. Also if the humans were the forerunners, than that has to be the best kept secret ever, even more so than halo 3, lol! cuz why would no one know about it, i mean don't u think its a bit important.
But thats just what i think.

OH! i almost forgot. The forerunners were already once wiped out. I don't remebr exactly where in the game it said that but they either said the flood consumed them after building the halos, or that the halos were already activated once to contain the flood.

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First off I agree with your theory here. I have another thought to add on though.... In the new trailer... MC's armor is a different color (TAN)... Could this indicate that maybe MC is anoter form of the Forerunners... and we get to play as an actuall Forerunner in the new game? One that looks like MC? Think about it a little bit....

  • 05.11.2006 12:59 PM PDT
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The thing with that armour was actually mentioned in the update, its not tan its just worn out and faded. Remeber he hasn't got a new suit after fighting it out all across the universe. The last time he got new armour was after H1 and that armour in the beggining of H2 was destroyed beyond repair if you remember what the tech says. Just thought you should know.

  • 05.11.2006 1:02 PM PDT
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Ah... Could be... did Bungie say that his armor was worn and faded? Also...... If this trailer is on Earth... which I think it is... what the heck are the busted up broken structures in the background at the begining?

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Posted by: theSniperDevil


"ba bla bla, i am gald some of them survived to reproduce" he was refering to the forunner in the quote.

sorry about the quote inadequacy, i dont really know them to the word =/


He's talking about the Flood trapped on Halo, NOT the forerunners.

  • 05.11.2006 1:08 PM PDT
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“Perhaps that's the reason the Prophets are so intent on destroying humanity, if the rest of the Covenant were to find out, their radical religious training would cause them to follow Humanity instead of the Prophets, and they would lose their power. After Truth's display of rampant disregard for the lives of the other Prophet (Mercy was it?), its quite clear that they are interested in the power they hold, much more so than the lives of their comrades.”

I think I have the answer to this. Think of this from the Prophets point of view. Most of the forerunners were wiped out when the first “Great Journey” happened. However, some of us weren’t killed, we were left behind. The Prophets probably think of us a infidels, because we were passed over by the great journey.


“i already had a feeling that Humans were...descendants of the Forerunners. however. the Ark is a remote activation for the Halo's...so...does this mean that the people on Earth were far enough away to survive the blast from the Halo's? that would only make sense to say, because the we are the descendants of the Forerunners that dwelt here on Earth. and with that said...if the Covenant are coming here to use the remote activation? Why would they? it wouildnt make sense, if we survived the first blast from being far enough away, what's not to say that the Human race, and the Covanent that are on Earth at the time of remote activation [if the ends up happening] won't survive the blast. i can picture it now. the prophet activates the Ark, holds up his hands in some sort of religious acceptance. waiting for the end...and it never comes. because he is too far away from the blasts.”

Look at the definition of Ark.

“a boat or ship held to resemble that in which Noah and his family were preserved from the Flood”

I think the Ark not only fires the Halos, but also grants protection to things inside of it.

“Also, what would cause humanity to forget their Forerunner descent? Why would the Forerunner's want to forget the Flood if it were so dangerous, as well as Halo, and the technology to stop it? Maybe they didn't have a choice as to whether or not they'd lose their technology, but the memories?”

I've always thought it was possible that the Arc was programmed to not let us use its technology once we landed.
That way, humans would have to start from scratch; building up our technology over thousands of years, ensuring our race would have acceptable numbers before we risked space flight again.

“First, it could be a spaceship that could take us so far away so fast that we would escape the blast radius of the detonating Halos. This would allow the Forerunners to escape the Flood and still survive.”

The ark is probably one of several things. It could be Earth itself, it could also be a constructed facility on Earth, or it could be a ship that landed on earth. Right now I think it was a pre-fabricated structure by the forerunners.

“It's a good theory, but I am holding with the argument that the human animal is far too flawed to be this super race, the forerunners... That, and we evolved from apes. =)

Just because the forerunners were more advanced than humans, does not mean they didn’t have the same humble beginnings.

“The forerunner = human postulation seems to be where Bungie is taking the story, but it overlooks some pretty elementary science. There are no significant gaps in the fossil record from Australopithecus to modern humans. It spells out a clear chronology, with no room for a godlike technologically advanced civilization to develop in between. That said, humans are definately and obviously a product of terrestrial evolution, so humans couldn't be Forerunner derivatives merely placed on Earth to safeguard the Ark (or something along those lines). I know it's science *fiction*, but the "science" half implies that there has to be some factual plausibility. What if, merely out of suggestion, the story dictates that the Forerunner placed the Ark on Earth after they concluded that another race of sentient animals was on the rise, and that race would summarily bury the artifact with their own civilization? In this tradition, maybe 343 Guilty Spark recognized the Master Cheif as an agent of the Forerunner because of his origins on the planet where the Forerunner placed such a vital tool, and not because he thought that the humans *were* Forerunners.”

I think your taking this way too factually. One has to suspend disbelief a certain amount with any game. Sure pistols wouldn’t be able to stop tanks, sure the military wouldn’t make a 4 round sniper rifle, sure women wouldn’t be able to run faster than men, SURE THERE WOULD NOT BE A 3 MILE WIDE STRUCTURE IN AFRICA.
My point is that not everything about Halo is realistic, so I don’t expect the monkey thing to come into play.

“That isn't a bad theory, but only 1 problem. In H1 343 guilty spark (i think thats the 1 in H1) goes through the big human cruiser reading from its libraries, saying all of the information is fascinating and new meaning hes never seen/heard it before. That means that humans can't be forerunners because the forerunners created him therefore he would have to have knowledge of humans. Also if the humans were the forerunners, than that has to be the best kept secret ever, even more so than halo 3, lol! cuz why would no one know about it, i mean don't u think its a bit important.
But thats just what i think.”


Dude, you could not be more wrong if you tried. You didn’t even get Sparks quotes rite. This scene is one of the BEST for my theory.
"To think you would destroy this wealth of knowledge, not to mention the records of all of OUR lost time. I shall enjoy every moment of its categorization. Human history, is it? Fascinating."

OUR lost time?


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  • 05.11.2006 1:19 PM PDT
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^agree with you there.

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It has to be true... You really a genius, man! Never looked at it that way before... Now I will play the levels in a whole different perspective.

  • 05.11.2006 1:49 PM PDT

I AM CABOOSE, THE VEHICLE DESTROYER!!!!!!

ok here is what i have to say...

humans=forrunner decendants
tech and info about this= lost to time (people forgot over time like the real location of the ark of the covenant (bible) )
the forrunner ship on high chairity is the key to the ark (like index to halo)
the forrunner have escaped and went to earth and survived in the ark and then left it and over time sand and rock burried it and so it was lost for good and the ark was like the garden of eden and that the forrunner built it but then after halos activation was over they were exiled from it and that is where humanity begins

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i beleive that the humans have something to do with the forerunners, however, i do not believe that we are the forerunners

  • 05.11.2006 2:15 PM PDT
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Hobbes0240 just told everyone off

it's a science fiction game.... and if u think that has to be based on more science then ur just a flippin pencil pusher...think star wars... along time ago in a galaxy far far away?.... how would we know that?...have we been to a galaxy far far away along time ago? ... NO, but yet we can't believe our ancienct selves seeded our planet with a big ark to protect us/them from the best WMD ever?... come on, think!

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My theory has been along these lines since Halo 1 and definately after Halo 2. I look to the theory of evolution for this, even though I don't believe it(but whatever). With Evolution the entire point of a species is to reproduce and continue the existence of the species. So before humans, there were the Forerunners and they built a civilization that was technologically advanced. As they explored space they eventually found the flood (Note: It says in H1 that the flood were found not created by the Forerunners.) So in order to study the flood for their growth and regenerative purposes which would be helpful to medicine and prolonging life, they built research stations like the 343 Guilty Spark Level on the Halos and the Flood Research Space Station that serves as the the Level "The Arbiter" in Halo 2. The Halos were built to contain the flood and destroy their food which would be the only effective way to annihilate the flood. They also build the Ark. Obviously with all these measures taken the Flood are the key to something. So the Flood break free and the Forerunners lose control. They go to the Ark to remote set off the Halos to destroy all life in the Universe to kill the Flood. The Forerunners planned on dying. But to continue their species they left their DNA behind in the Ark and a way to revive the species. The DNA is left with genetic or memory imprints to lead the Humans in the same direction they went so they could continue the former technological empire. The DNA implementation explains why Forerunner things are familiar but Human technology isn't exactly the same either.

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OK I'm pretty sure that the Gravemind said "I am a monument to your sins." I think this is a very plausible theory.

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actually i think we are the forerunners...just think of the plot line. we have ships and robots (in halo) so why couldn't we have run back to earth as a last defense. The thing to actually activate halo might be on earth which is why the covenant actually came on earth in the first place (to activate halo). We were just a bonus for them to kill also in the tralier it shows a huge light shooting in the sky! (toward halo?). The earth could have been a safehouse when the Forunners activated halo...

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"In, halo 2, now this was the kicker people so pay attention, when MC and Arbiter meet with Gravemind, Cortana asked what is he, and he replys "I am the atomment of all your sin" or something like that"- From Raider001

Gravemind said "I am the Monument to all of your sins." So like Raider 001 said the Forerunners made Gravemind, but I think they made him out of what they learned from the flood, in an effort to control the Flood and harness their power.

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Posted by: ZaneXXX
What if they realized that we are their gods? Would sure change things woouldn't it?


no that wouldnt be true because the prophet of truth wouldnt tell anyone that even if he did know

and i think he does why else were we not invited to join the covenant like all the other races

  • 05.11.2006 3:17 PM PDT