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Subject: WE ARE THE FORERUNNERS! (the most popular theory of RvB)

i have noticed something. at the end of halo 2 Tartarus needs Miranda (keyes daughter) to activate the ring. why? Because humans are forerunners. and no other creature besides a fore runner can activate the ring. so the covenant NEED humans in order to start their 'great journey' And another thing. Why couldn't the covenant just destroy Reach and Earth with their spaceships or in the halo books 'glass the planets' huh? why? because there is something important on those planets.... what that is i dont quite know... the ark? or some other thing?

  • 05.11.2006 3:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wenzinger
The forerunner = human postulation seems to be where Bungie is taking the story, but it overlooks some pretty elementary science. There are no significant gaps in the fossil record from Australopithecus to modern humans. It spells out a clear chronology, with no room for a godlike technologically advanced civilization to develop in between. That said, humans are definately and obviously a product of terrestrial evolution, so humans couldn't be Forerunner derivatives merely placed on Earth to safeguard the Ark (or something along those lines). I know it's science *fiction*, but the "science" half implies that there has to be some factual plausibility. What if, merely out of suggestion, the story dictates that the Forerunner placed the Ark on Earth after they concluded that another race of sentient animals was on the rise, and that race would summarily bury the artifact with their own civilization? In this tradition, maybe 343 Guilty Spark recognized the Master Cheif as an agent of the Forerunner because of his origins on the planet where the Forerunner placed such a vital tool, and not because he thought that the humans *were* Forerunners.

Granted Bungie can take the story wherever they damn well please, but it would be nice to see something more in tune with fact, so as not to leave open huge hatches for negative literary criticism.


Think about this what if what you have been taught all your life is false? What if all scientists know about our past is the same amount as we know about Halo 3 only by watching the trailer and hearing about Halo 1&2 but never actually playing them or reading the books? Now if you look at it that way the door flies wide open and anything is possible. Because in reality scientist no less about our past as a species then we know about Halo 3.

  • 05.11.2006 3:36 PM PDT
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The ark-flood tie-in is what convinced me.
GREAT JOB! It all makes sense!

  • 05.11.2006 3:39 PM PDT
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i already know its true. its like i see the whole game in front of my eyes already. its weird cuz i even managed to guess most of the stuff on
Halo 2 before it came out.

  • 05.11.2006 3:43 PM PDT
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well ill sum up all of my opinions.. I have believed since the moment guilty spark said... "oh, a reclaimer" that humans were in fact the forerunner. The whole quote about the MC's armor and all, and the other things guilty spark says all link humanity directly to the forerunner. Having said that, how could humantiy/forerunner survive the first fireing of the Halo system? Well, if you listen to Cortana in the first game... she describes how the Halo works... part of what she says is that it destroys edible flesh that is in sufficient quantities to sustain the flood.. a few vials of DNA arent enough to sustain the flood. I believe that the DNA from the forerunner [aka humans] and all life on earth was contained on the Arc [the ship that was being used to power High-Charity]. After the weapon system was activated, the Arch re-seeded earth. All the natural courses of evolution took place... the Arch re-seeding theory doesnt have to make us rethink our history... it simply explains why life began here in the first place. After that, a programmed sequence of evolution unfolded, resulting in the Human [a new form of forerunner]. Guilty spark treated MC as his master [until MC violated protocol] which denotes that MC was recognizibly forerunner, even with armor on. Like others have said, i suspect that the covenant discover that humans are their gods... which has only two outcomes... they worship humanity, or feel betrayed and wish to wipe us out as we are certainly not godly. Im sure Truth does some more of his insane heaven's gate cult mombo jumbo and splits the covenant into further factions. Some covenant might support humanity, others wont. But, in the end... it takes a human to activate a Halo.. so the covenant will need to recuit one.

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i agree. in the H3 trailer it sounds like gravemind is talking through cortana. he says "i know your past". this could mean that gravemind knows that the humans are forerunners and he knows what they did in the past

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Yea

  • 05.11.2006 5:18 PM PDT
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Excelent Theory.

And what a concidence We can breath and function in the Atmospheres of the Halos.


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  • 05.11.2006 5:20 PM PDT
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"But, in the end... it takes a human to activate a Halo.. so the covenant will need to recuit one.

That's true...I am currious as to who will be/almost be seduced, a new character or old one?

  • 05.11.2006 5:27 PM PDT
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Love the theory, knew a ton of it before this post and have been telling everyone I can since Halo 2 came out and I am glad the halo 3 trailer substantiates most of what has been said. I think that it is a given that the theory is right...the real speculation is how bungie will reveal it in halo 3 and what is to happen afterward, all of which I think we can only discuss, not create valid theorys about. This theory is the only thing really predictable and that is because it is true, everything about the game story aside from this probably hasnt even been fully decided by bungie at this point. Oh and I wanna give mad props to the starter of this thread for writing everything in so clearly so now instead of explaining things to my friends I can just link them here...awesome man. Thanks...and remember everyone: You can't stop the signal.

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The earth is the location of the arc!!!!! If you refer to the 2nd epic of halo(halo 2). Chief asked the prophet of mercy where truth was going, mercy then said "earth, to finish what we started, and this time none of you will be left behind". This theory may seem complex and controversial, but if you actually think about it, it makes sense. The monitor's refer to humans as reclaimers. Possibly descendants of the forerunners prophisized to destroy the flood and reclaim the galaxy. (keep in mind that this is an imcomplete theory) You could also investigate the other clues. Regret went to earth's location and claimed that no human prescence was foretold. That is because he was going to the location of the arc and discovered human colonization. His actions stalled or conflicted "the great plans" because he would have activated the arc without the knowing of the high council. Miranda also stated " the covenant landed here (africa) for a reason". Ever look closely at the trailer? ITS IN AFRICA!!!! On several human colonized worlds, forerunner artifacts were discovered. This theory needs more research. If anyone can help add on to this your help would be greatly appreciated by myself and the halo community. Thank You.

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The earth is the location of the arc!!!!! If you refer to the 2nd epic of halo(halo 2). Chief asked the prophet of mercy where truth was going, mercy then said "earth, to finish what we started, and this time none of you will be left behind". This theory may seem complex and controversial, but if you actually think about it, it makes sense. The monitor's refer to humans as reclaimers. Possibly descendants of the forerunners prophisized to destroy the flood and reclaim the galaxy. (keep in mind that this is an imcomplete theory) You could also investigate the other clues. Regret went to earth's location and claimed that no human prescence was foretold. That is because he was going to the location of the arc and discovered human colonization. His actions stalled or conflicted "the great plans" because he would have activated the arc without the knowing of the high council. Miranda also stated " the covenant landed here (africa) for a reason". Ever look closely at the trailer? ITS IN AFRICA!!!! On several human colonized worlds, forerunner artifacts were discovered. This theory needs more research. If anyone can help add on to this your help would be greatly appreciated by myself and the halo community. Thank You.

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This is one of the most well thought out theories I have ever read. BUt there are 3 problems

1. The flood were all thanx to the stupidity of the forerunner
2. The technology of the forerunner is far more advanced to even spartan tech.

MOST IMPORTANT: A group of people does not just forget about creating rings, etc. and even if it was humans how could we do it? And if we errased our memory why would we? Did we almost destroy the universe ounce before???

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MOST IMPORTANT: A group of people does not just forget about creating rings, etc. and even if it was humans how could we do it? And if we errased our memory why would we? Did we almost destroy the universe ounce before???

My man, I allready explained this.

I've always thought it was possible that the Arc was programmed to not let us use its technology once we landed.
That way, humans would have to start from scratch; building up our technology over thousands of years, ensuring our race would have acceptable numbers before we risked space flight again.

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Posted by: Hobbes0240
Seriously dude...can you read? I posted all of the above (with better facts) as the first post on here. Know what your talking about before you act like we disagree.


I am not disagreeing with you i'm just copied and pasted one of my earlier posts

  • 05.11.2006 5:40 PM PDT
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Well you can't blame me for assuming man. You need to change posts, not copy them.

  • 05.11.2006 5:44 PM PDT
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Its all good hobbes, its good to know that we have enlightened the ignorant. We've both brought up very concrete evidence and theories.

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For all of you who use the theory of the covenant knowing of our location and why it wouldn't make sense that the arc is on earth.....

Before and during the war the covenant had never anticipated that the humans' homeworld was earth. They had just believed that the humans were simply meddlers in their grand design. That they were colonizing planets "just a littlle close" to the forerunner artifacts. They had been studying their migration patterns for years (refer to the fall of reach). They then decided that the human intentions were to interfere in their "great journey". They then realized that annhilating the human race was the most effecient method to ensure thier salvation. Thus resulting in the human-covenant war.

  • 05.11.2006 5:52 PM PDT

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Posted by; ghostvirus
This apple is brown, and rotten. This orange on the other hand, is in relatively average shape. So the orange is definitely the preferable option.
----------You can't compare apples and oranges. You're so dumb.

"HSP: The Forerunner inhabit another galaxy.

JS: Well they don't inhabit ours - which is to say something with the power and reach of the Covenant would certainly have found them by now if they did."

Enough and give up already! we are not the forerunners JS is joseph staten the cinimatics director of halo 2 thus his word should ahve been final over an year ago. How ever people just like to flat out ignore evidence if it makes it more believeable that there right. Ive seen peopel ignore this , people twist the meaning of the words " Have been". Enough is enough your wrong we are not the forerunners if you wish to continue waisting your time do as we indeed exsist in our galaxy.





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  • 05.11.2006 5:55 PM PDT
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ARE YOU FREAKING RETARTED?


Look, the evidence is not yet conclusive, but it can be obvious.

I will now repeat my earlier quote so i may smack this noob back in his place.

The earth is the location of the arc!!!!! If you refer to the 2nd epic of halo(halo 2). Chief asked the prophet of mercy where truth was going, mercy then said "earth, to finish what we started, and this time none of you will be left behind". This theory may seem complex and controversial, but if you actually think about it, it makes sense. The monitor's refer to humans as reclaimers. Possibly descendants of the forerunners prophisized to destroy the flood and reclaim the galaxy. (keep in mind that this is an imcomplete theory) You could also investigate the other clues. Regret went to earth's location and claimed that no human prescence was foretold. That is because he was going to the location of the arc and discovered human colonization. His actions stalled or conflicted "the great plans" because he would have activated the arc without the knowing of the high council. Miranda also stated " the covenant landed here (africa) for a reason". Ever look closely at the trailer? ITS IN AFRICA!!!! On several human colonized worlds, forerunner artifacts were discovered.


Look, the evidence is right in front of you. You can either investigate it yourself, or you can wait for the 3rd epic of halo. Either way, the truth shall be revealed.

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Well, if you think about it, the reason the ships start turning around could be because they are realizing everything all at once or being sent a message about how the humans are somehow tied to the forerunners. And MC could possibly know that once they realize it they'll leave and have to plan. You have to remember that everything they do is completely cause of religious beliefs they've been taught their entire life. So it would make sense that they were completely unsure of the information they were recieving. Bah...I'm rambling.

  • 05.11.2006 6:13 PM PDT
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I know this may be a really noobish idea, but maybe the Ark provided some sort of sheild that protected the Earth from the Halo's shockwave activation. I figure Earth has to be within the weapon radious but perhaps the Ark (or whatever that thing the vid was) creates a shield capable of blocking the devistating effects of the Halo's activation.

As to GS not knowing aobut this there is an easy explination. Some of the Flood like the Gravemind are not mindless, would you want to leave the Forerunner AI's with knowledge of where they fled to? Pentiant Tangent was captured by the Gravemind and the Gravemind even gained access to the teleportation network so if the Forerunners had left the data as to where they fled then the Flood could find them.

Sorry if this has already been said.

  • 05.11.2006 6:18 PM PDT
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Oh, which reminds me. I don't know how repetitive this is or if it's even been mentioned. But I think it's possible that the Forerunners erased all former knowledge of everything they left behind as just stated. But here's the kicker that could prove some theories...What if the reason Gravemind tries to ask Cortana some questions is so he could find Earth, which would be the ark?

  • 05.11.2006 6:26 PM PDT
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The Forerunner are not from Earth, they lived on the planet co-populated by the Prophet race. Hence the technology and how the prophets were able to lull the Elites out of war and into religious subserviency.

  • 05.11.2006 6:29 PM PDT

Go Forth With Style

it's probable that the forrunners have something to do with human history, but what, we do not know
the ____heirophant was a staging area for the covenant attack on earth
they knew where earth was, however, the UNSC admiral destroyed the covenant attack fleet as a martyr to humanity
it could be that Regret's fleet was sent to perform the excavation AFTER the preliminary assault was supposed to be over, after the first assault, there would have been no humans, explaining Regret's excuse

if the humans aren't the forerunners it is possible our race was created by them to be heirs to their empire.
to "reclaim" the civilization that the forerunners built
thus the title reclaimer

  • 05.11.2006 6:30 PM PDT