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hey remember in halo 2 in the frist lvls when one of the prothets comes to earth with a small army and they said thet he did not feel any human life form, none at all do u think it might have something to do with halo 3

  • 05.11.2006 6:32 PM PDT
Subject: WE ARE THE FORERUNNERS! (the most popular theory of RvB)
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dealing with the fossil record.

im going to swing for we are descended from the forerunners, and use the blinding power of douglas adam's hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. if you have read it you would remember the legendary planet Magrathea, where an advanced race MANUFACTURED PLANETS. seeing some of the amazing technical crapola we have seen come out of the forerunners (super weapons capable of galactic destruction for ex?) i wouldnt put it past them to make a planet, and bury a timeline of fossils layer by layer, for us to discover at a later date. then they lay on all the nonsentient stuff, go into the ark, fire it, come out, lock the place back up, and go about newly primitive lives, until all that filters down through the ages are stories of an ark protecting all the living things from the great flood, and "in the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth." (also note that the forerunnurs made the flood, and the great flood came from god.) coincidence?

  • 05.11.2006 6:37 PM PDT
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Actually, there's nothing that says Earth couldn't have been the Forerunner's home planet, even though that's not what I said. Wouldn't it seem convenient to put the ark on your home planet? And wouldn't it be easiest to hide or erase all "forbidden" technologies if it was on a single home planet?

  • 05.11.2006 6:39 PM PDT
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I think that this is the most likely of theories because it makes the most sense. Everything fits...

In Halo: The Fall of Reach, there are strange symbols on one of the planets the Spartans have a mission on (sorry that I can't remember which one, it's been a while since I read the books, though with this new Halo 3 hype that has only just begun I'm gonna read them again or get left in the dust by those that do). Anyway, how much different are these symbols then, say, heiroglyphics? It is a different language, sure, but they reseble such pictographs by the sound of their decriptions.

Also, the reason that the humans would have lost all of their technology would be simple enough if this were the true story line: The struggle between the humans and the Flood came right down to the last battle, and the activation of the Halos is the last and final desperate measure to prevent the extermination of the human race. The humans likely did not plan on needing to activate the rings, but they did so because they had exhausted all other alternatives.

As for the Flood: Where did they come from? A thought regarding this:

The humans attempted to create the ultimate virus. What is the main thing we hear about in our history classes? WAR! Humans may have gone far past nukes (they probably found a way to signal them to detonate before the enemy dropped the bomb using the same signal that the enemies would have used. If the humans are the Forerunners, then they did create AI, after all, which could have hacked into the system of an enemy side's aircraft) and into massive chemical warfare. There would be no Covenant to force them to unite; think of the Ender series, in which all of humanity is united against the Buggers until they are eliminated, and then they sink right back into war. It would be the thing that movies have sometimes followed: Create something that is unstoppable, something that can adapt and destory and wipe out defenses of the human body no matter what immunity they have engineered themselves with. This virus would take over the human body and render it completely helpless for a free will of its own. Then the virus would possess the human body and attack enemy soldiers, using the human's logic and reasoning from his/her brain to be a devastating plague.

Then the virus got out of hand. The combined intelligence that the viruses obtained by taking over the brain was too much; the first rough version of a Gravemind is formed. The flood become their own being; more than just a virus, but a race in themselves. They were unstoppable: The chips that the humans probably implanted in the genetic makeup of the virus to cause them to stop and recognize foe was overruled by reason as well as man's greed: The virus saw that the stop command was a sign of weakness in its creators, saw that it could be dominant, and humankind's greed drove it to rebel and attempt to take over all life and be the only species so that there was no competition. All of the Flood truly are extensions of the Gravemind, so they have no true will of their own; combat forms are only given the logic to fulfill their purpose: To kill. The same goes for the infection forms and the mother forms: They only recieve what scraps of intelligence is necessary to perform their duties. They are just like animals, with no will of their own to rebel, but only impulses that tell them what they should do.

So the few humans that survived the devastation of the Flood were those that were able to get into the Ark in time. They were likely warriors or fighters, as they had to fight their way there through the waves of the Flood, and attempt to purge the Ark of the Flood that were undoubtedly sent there by the Gravemind to prevent the activation of the rings. The Flood probably survived because they missed a few, either because the sense of urgency was so great and they forgot to in the surge of the moment, or because the Flood may have been breaking through the gateway or barrier that separates the Ark from the outside world.

And the rings were activated; the world died all except for that small group of people. But they were warriors; either they did not think to take scientists with them or they did not have time because of the Flood invasion. The warriors did not know how to reinvent things, or even how to operate a lot of things. What good were machines in a once-industrialized world when there is no one left that knows how to operate them?

So technology was eliminated, and humankind was forced to start all over.

A few questions yet to be answered:

* If this is all true, then why were the Halos built in the first place?
* Were there indeed Covenant before the Flood Invasion? Were they actually cooperating races that may have been jointedly responsible for the design of the remaining Forerunner structures? (Remember that Forerunner structures have a unique taste of their own when it comes to architecture, though they look decidedly more human than Covenant, so perhaps the Covenant did not meet the humans beforehand... Who knows?) If the Covenant were indeed encountering the humans for the first time, not only that they have recorded, but also ever?
* Anything else?

Anybody got any ideas for these ones?

  • 05.11.2006 6:45 PM PDT
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The earth is the location of the arc!!!!! If you refer to the 2nd epic of halo(halo 2). Chief asked the prophet of mercy where truth was going, mercy then said "earth, to finish what we started, and this time none of you will be left behind". This theory may seem complex and controversial, but if you actually think about it, it makes sense. The monitor's refer to humans as reclaimers. Possibly descendants of the forerunners prophisized to destroy the flood and reclaim the galaxy. (keep in mind that this is an imcomplete theory) You could also investigate the other clues. Regret went to earth's location and claimed that no human prescence was foretold. That is because he was going to the location of the arc and discovered human colonization. His actions stalled or conflicted "the great plans" because he would have activated the arc without the knowing of the high council. Miranda also stated " the covenant landed here (africa) for a reason". Ever look closely at the trailer? ITS IN AFRICA!!!! On several human colonized worlds, forerunner artifacts were discovered.


Look, the evidence is right in front of you. You can either investigate it yourself, or you can wait for the 3rd epic of halo. Either way, the truth shall be revealed.

  • 05.11.2006 6:53 PM PDT
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If the Forerunner's created a virus such as the flood for war yet they had the technology to create the Halos, why wouldn't they just create a simpler form of the Halo to crush their enemies? In fact, if they were so technologically advanced, why couldn't they just make the halos to produce a certain cheimal to render the flood useless or on target the flood? Or why couldn't they create a counter virus if they were to create the flood? Or a vaccine?

  • 05.11.2006 6:57 PM PDT
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umm... yeah that is total bull-blam!-

  • 05.11.2006 6:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: dirtbiker125x
umm... yeah that is total bull-blam!-


Well it's a change from the things that everybody has said and repeated countless times. And it is a theory, after all...

Anyway, in response to Gray Fox, perhaps they were planning to, but they did not start the project until after the Flood had started to go out of control, and did not have time.

[Edited on 5/11/2006]

  • 05.11.2006 7:00 PM PDT
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If you've been paying attention at all and eliminate whatever isn't logically possible, you can't come to any other conclusion than that we are the Forerunners.

I also think that that is the real reason the High Prophets declared war on humanity. They knew about it but like so many leaders of long-lasting governments they were corrupt and wanted to prolong their positions of power. If you were Truth and you had absolute power over your whole society, would you willingly embrace your old gods and hand over your power when you found them? I don't think so. You'd wipe them out and destroy the evidence of what they were. Which is exactly what is implied in the transmission "When no human brick lies atop another, then will we be satisfied with your destruction" (the Cortana letters is where that came from I think).

None of the members of the Covenant except the Prophets know the reason for the genocide against humanity, as was shown in "Conversations from the Universe".

Also I point out the fact that Tartarus knew well ahead of time that he would need Miranda or Johnson, or any other human, to activate the rings. Now Spark could have told him, or the Prophets already knew and instructed him on how to do it.

Truth's actions at the end of H2 also lend a lot of weight to the idea that the Ark is a safe haven from the Halo Pulse, which again confirms that we are Forerunner. Once he sends Tartarus to the control room, he hauls ass to Earth.

The only things left open here are Truth's ultimate goals. His plan involves:

Killing all sentient life in the galaxy, including his own culture, that is not sheltered within the Ark.

Going to the Ark to survive the Halo Pulse.

Possibly quarantining the flood, although that may be simply a byproduct of the plan. He never seemed worried about the flood at all.

This would leave him and probably a few hundred or a few thousand followers in a sterile galaxy with whatever technology the Forerunner left behind in the Ark.

The other unknown is his interest in the time and space-warping crystal on Reach. He wanted it very badly indeed, bad enough to send teams to recover the microscopic dust fragments left after its destruction and cover it up by killing the recovery workers afterwords. This suggests that it will still be of use to him in fragmental form. Perhaps he can grow it back using the Forerunner tech either at the Ark or that which has already been found. This is likely because the Forerunner were skilled at altering the mineralogy and petrology of rocks as a method of recordkeeping and communication (see Fall of Reach).

Control of time and space, super advanced technology, and dominion over the galaxy without opposition. Sounds a bit too cliche for Bungie. There has to be something more.

Considering that the Gravemind implied that he is a creation of the Forerunner ("I am a monument to all your sins"), perhaps they had significant ability to influence life as well. The biblical reference to the flood works well here. The flood came about as a result of the sins of humanity, while the Flood came about as a consequence of the Forerunners abuse of their power over the universe and life itself.

Truth knows humans had that godlike power and forgot it after the first Halo Pulse. They are weak now. He sees an opportunity to remove them completely before the rest of the Covenant realize what the humans are, and take their former place as master of the universe. He takes it immediately, willing to sacrifice all life in the galaxy, his civilization, his most loyal followers, and his closest colleague.

Okay, that's reason enough to shoot him if we get the chance.

Or perhaps Bungie will find it more poetic if the Elites get to do it. They were the most shamelessly used ones after all. As soon as Truth needed only the Brutes to achieve his goal, he ordered the extermination of the Elites.

  • 05.11.2006 7:05 PM PDT
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"earth, to finish what we started, and this time none of you will be left behind".

I assume somebody has already mentioned this but I want to link this quote to the theory about why the covenant dont like the humans: they view us as infidels for being left behind by the great journey that took the forrunners, they even say in the game that their gods went on a great journey. Basically, none of you will be left behind is in reference to that, and helps show that the humans are the forrunners. Saying that their gods went on a great journey and then saying humans were left behind...hmmmm...."none of you" just makes it more weighted towards humans=forerunners

  • 05.11.2006 7:06 PM PDT
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But they had time to develop a thinking virus? Sorry...I just like to challenge theories and see what all I can get out of them. I love to see the way these things develop. It's one of my hobbies.

Maybe it's possible that there's more than one arc. Thus the different alien races. And the Forerunner was just a master race that in order to make sure their intelligence couldn't recover fast enough they chose to de-evolutionize themselves into different area of ability creatures and spread them all out over the universe. It would make sense. The human's overall resourcefullness, the brute's strength, the elite's intelligence, the prophet's guidence, the jackal's skill...just imagine all of the creatures put into one and you may have the Forerunner.

  • 05.11.2006 7:10 PM PDT
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I agree, once you delve into the Forerunners and their purpose and how they relate to the existing races now, there are so many possibilities that you could sit there all day thinking about it and you could still think of more at the end

Anyway, the humans would not have properly tested the virus, perhaps. I don't know what this is called, but I know that this DID really happen:

Sometime in American history, around WWI time or so, there was an experiment to with teleportation (There were a lot of "shooting in the dark" experiments at this time), in which a submarine that was out at sea somewhere was going to be teleported back to the eastern coast of the U.S. The mystery that regards what really happened was (and is) so tightly kept by the government that there is no knowing for sure. But it is popularly spread (for the7 or 8 people in the world that follow this topic. I don't, but I heard it in class a few weeks back when we were talking about human rights and war crimes. More about that in a minute)... Anyway, popularly spread that the submarine did, in fact, teleport back, but when the ship was boarded after they realized that it wasn't moving, they found that some of the people had come back partway in the bulkhead, as in they may have half of them sticking out and the other half looking like a guy would if someone poured cement on part of him and it dried.

The reason we don't hear about it is because, firstly, something like this would be kept secret, especially if it was a failure and death resulted. Also, there were many other experiments that were not precise and not all tested before being implemented that had to do with stuff like that, as well as chemical warfare. The Genova convention came together and later outlawed war crimes. Additionally, because of the power that this represented, I'm pretty sure that no one wanted to mess with things that we don't know what we're getting ourselves into until we at least have an idea.

Sorry for the history lesson, but it does make a point. If an experiment can be rushed and implemented without all of the variables figured on in the real world, who says it can't happen in the sci-fi plot of a video game? They probably didn't have TIME to fully develop a thinking virus, they just did it anyway because they were afraid that they might lose an edge over the enemy.

[Edited on 5/11/2006]

  • 05.11.2006 7:36 PM PDT
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Sure, but the odds of brining a plot that in depth into it...ick.
lol, the truth is, we're probobly all making more of this than it is. I know that's exactly what I found out in the Kingdom Hearts series...

  • 05.11.2006 7:59 PM PDT
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Actually, there's nothing that says Earth couldn't have been the Forerunner's home planet, even though that's not what I said. Wouldn't it seem convenient to put the ark on your home planet? And wouldn't it be easiest to hide or erase all "forbidden" technologies if it was on a single home planet?

While I won't outright say no, I still doubt it highly.
I suspect the flood knew of the forerunner home planet, so it was proubably in the process of being atacked when the Halos went off.
It would make more sence to send/build the ark on a fresh planet, devoid of as much forerunner tech as possible, so the humans wouldn't be influenced, and so the flood wouldn't think to look there.

I think the Prophet species evolved on the forerunner home planet, long after the Halos had gone off.
It would explain why they have the best grasp of forerunner tech, and why they have red blood.

  • 05.11.2006 10:09 PM PDT
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I guarantee that Bungie will not reveal Humans as the Forerunners themselves. The "science" half of "science fiction" begs it to not happen. There's no window for a race that advanced to have developed during our history, and there'd be no justification for the lack of any ruins of Forerunner cities/agriculture/transit on Earth.

What if, hypothetically, the Forerunners picked Earth to house the Ark so that human civilization would bury it. In that way, the Halos were constructed with Earthlike gravity and atmospheric conditions so that the reclaimer race, for which humans were predestined by the Forerunners to be, could activate the rings and study the flood without impossibly having to refuel/restock on life support systems. Or, maybe its going back to the principle of convergence, and the story is operating under the assumption that life as we know it can only originate in specific atmospheric and geologic environments.

Basically, my theory is that the Forerunners did not originate on Earth, and that they are not Humans. Rather, it seems more likely that Humans were chosen by the Forerunner to act as reclaimers should the rings need to be activated.

[Edited on 5/12/2006]

  • 05.12.2006 10:28 AM PDT
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But who says they would've done the research for the flood on their homeplanet? No one's that stupid. And the Halos wouldn't kill the flood, it just kills their food. So if the flood had been on their home planet and the prophets evolved there, they would immediately be consumed. Confusing, ne?

  • 05.12.2006 1:32 PM PDT
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But who says they would've done the research for the flood on their homeplanet? No one's that stupid. And the Halos wouldn't kill the flood, it just kills their food. So if the flood had been on their home planet and the prophets evolved there, they would immediately be consumed. Confusing, ne?

It's just not practical though, making a harbor for the last remnents of civilization in a well known location.
Plus, if it was the forerunner home world there would be more ruins.

  • 05.12.2006 2:23 PM PDT
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my theory is that we (humans) are the forerunners, we create the halo's in the future because it's the only ultimate way to defeat the flood, we then send the halos back in time but they get infected by flood and flood get back into our past (basically halo 1 time). The covenant stumble upon them first in our time and have that crazy illusion about the forerunners etc. This would also explain 343's obsession only with the humans and how MC knows how to use the controls etc and the convinently placed forerunner artifacts on the human planets (earth and reach).

Watcha think? Feel free to add to it...

  • 05.12.2006 2:43 PM PDT
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This is my theory:There are 7 Halos, each with a 25,000 light-year range of effect. I did research, and as it turns out, our galaxy, the Milky Way is 100,000 light-years in diameter.

Well, I took some pictures of our galaxy, and opened up a brand spankin' new MS paint doc.

I took an overhead view of the galaxy, and divided it into four sections, each approximately 25,000 light-years in width, illustrated with blue stripes. I then looked up Halo's diameter, and range of its weapon effect. (10,000km diameter, 25,000 light-year range of effect). So, that said, four Halos could be lined up horrizantaly, each at an interval of roughly 25,000 lightyears, and span the entire galaxy with thier effective ranges.

So, I tried to figure out where the Halos would go in order to cover the entire galaxy. I ended up putting one 2 on the 1/4 line going vertically, 3 on the 1/2 line, going vertically, with one close to the galactic center. I put the other two close to the 3/4 line, also vertically.

When they were in place, I noticed that there was one tiny spot not covered by a blast radius. I also found that I couldn't move one of the radii into place over there without giving up a very large section of the galaxy.

I took a different overhead view, this one showed the names of the spiral arms of this galaxy, and the part not covered was a small portion of the Perseus arm. To be more specific, it did not cover Sol System.

Now, this is pretty amazing in my opinion. The one place a Halo's blast could not reach without giving up a different, larger portion of the galaxy happened to be Sol System. This isn't because I love humans, or I wanted it to be like that (trust me, I don't). It is eerily odd.

This gives some pretty nice proof (in my eyes) that Earth IS the Ark spoken of in Halo 2. In biblical stories, Noah, commisioned by God, was told to build an Ark, so many cubits x so many cubits x so many cubits. What the hell is a cubit anyway. Nevermind, I digriss.

So, this Ark was the only palce on Earth to be able to be saved by the 40 day and night torrential FLOOD God was about to bring. Noah was told to bring aboard 7 pairs of every ritually clean animal, and 1 pair of every "unclean" animal. (ritually clean animals were Doves, pigeons, oxen, sheep, and some others I can't remember), Noah's wife, sons, and his sons' wives.

So, once God FLOODED Earth, and the FLOOD was all gone, God made a COVENANT with Noah never to FLOOD the earth again. This is signified by a rainbow, the crappiest of miracles.

So, translating this from Bible to Halo, we get:
So-and-so (person-A) was instructed by so-and-so (person-B) to create an Ark that could survive the Flood once the Halos were activated. A place that would lie in a dead zone where none of the Halos' blasts could reach (Earth). So, Person A creates an Ark that could survive the Flood, and once the Flood is go (all life is destroyed), Person-A and several other Person-A like individuals (Forerunners) could emerge and re-populate the galaxy.

Now, approx. 100,000 years ago, the Halos were last activated. Also approx 100,000 years ago, -blam!--Sapiens take the high rung on the Food Chain. So, if Person-A comes to the Ark (earth) with the other Forerunners (possibly humans) that would explain why Humans were able to survive the last Halo activation.

So, it is in my conclusion, that the Forerunners are Humans, and the Ark is, or is on Earth.

What yall think?

  • 05.12.2006 2:47 PM PDT
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thats exacly wat i was trying to say its all correct and i no that becaouse the forrunners built the ark and the 7 halos and the ark... noas ark is on earth so we are obiously the forrunners.

  • 05.12.2006 2:50 PM PDT
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yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

  • 05.12.2006 2:55 PM PDT

Just like Raider001 said. How the Gravemind says "I am a momument to all your sins." While he was looking a the MC. He saw that the MC was human and knew the connection of humans to Forerunners, the Forerunners created the Flood (I think, I don't remember clearly.) and that was a sin of theirs, and from the Flood was born the Gravemind, and the Gravemind was a representation of the sins (Flood) of the Forerunners. So when the Gravemind finally saw the MC he made the connection.

  • 05.12.2006 3:04 PM PDT
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Straight_to_hell~

Yes, tha'ts pretty much what I said. I've also seen the galactic radi pictures, it makes sense also.

  • 05.12.2006 3:35 PM PDT

Forunners eh? Seems to me that they didn't want us to know something...

My Covenant Elite name is -----And My rank is
Inda 'Ahsaree ------------------------Black
Find Yours http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/stuntmutt/l337name/

Well, honestly, I think that the forerunners (if in fact that humans are related to them) got rid of our memories in order for no one to use those freakin' rings!


...I wonder if anyone figured that out yet, besides me...

[Edited on 5/12/2006]

  • 05.12.2006 4:06 PM PDT