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Well slap my balls and call me Santa, I've got lizard tits!

Hey all. I got halo Primordium today (yay).
Has anyone else got it yet?
If so how do you like it so far?

  • 12.31.2011 7:35 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

I don't have it but I've read the first 4 chapters and so far it's shaping up to be better than Cryptum, so it may well take its place as my favourite Halo novel.

  • 12.31.2011 7:40 AM PDT

Well slap my balls and call me Santa, I've got lizard tits!

Sounds cool. I've only read 5 pages but hope to get into it soon.

  • 12.31.2011 7:42 AM PDT
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I don't have it but I've read the first 4 chapters and so far it's shaping up to be better than Cryptum, so it may well take its place as my favourite Halo novel.


If you don't mind me asking: where did you read the first 4 chapters? and what makes you say that it is shaping up to be better than cryptum??

Ive heard quite a bit about primordium from another user on waypoint, and from what he told me, there is no reference to the ancient human tech, nor is their any reference to the precursor tech. This other user, without spoiling much, has made it sound very underwhelming. Can you confirm/deny this? I'm dying to know.

I really hope there are no vague explanations like in cryptum, and that bear reveals more about the ancient humans.

  • 12.31.2011 1:02 PM PDT
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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Any parts that may flesh out the Forerunners' combat skills and/or Navy please post them here.

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I highly doubt Bear can take the travesty that was Cryptum and make an interesting read out of extending that tired plot. He better keep up with the revelations, it's the only reason to read Cryptum.

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Ive read the first four chapters....nothing about AHE or prec's but its about chakas...its quite interesting...
Well i actually remembered....chakas now has the knowledge of AHE physics :).

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Posted by: ajw34307
I don't have it but I've read the first 4 chapters and so far it's shaping up to be better than Cryptum, so it may well take its place as my favourite Halo novel.


If you don't mind me asking: where did you read the first 4 chapters? and what makes you say that it is shaping up to be better than cryptum??

Ive heard quite a bit about primordium from another user on waypoint, and from what he told me, there is no reference to the ancient human tech, nor is their any reference to the precursor tech. This other user, without spoiling much, has made it sound very underwhelming. Can you confirm/deny this? I'm dying to know.

I really hope there are no vague explanations like in cryptum, and that bear reveals more about the ancient humans.

Here.

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Posted by: Tibetz
I highly doubt Bear can take the travesty that was Cryptum and make an interesting read out of extending that tired plot. He better keep up with the revelations, it's the only reason to read Cryptum.
I'm sorry, did Cryptum ruin what was only a theory? Or was it too boring?

/Sarcasm

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I highly doubt Bear can take the travesty that was Cryptum and make an interesting read out of extending that tired plot. He better keep up with the revelations, it's the only reason to read Cryptum.
I'm sorry, did Cryptum ruin what was only a theory? Or was it too boring?

/Sarcasm

The information contained within the book about the lore was the only saving grace. Strong characters (or character development), an interesting plot (or any plot at all), and a thematic draw were all completely absent from the novel.

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Not an Interesting plot!? Are you serious?

Let's see...

A kid goes to earth and awakens an ancient battle tactician with the help of two devolved humans. They then proceed to go on an adventure while trying to escape the Forerunner Master Builder, and discover that an ancient evil known as the Timeless One was released and is now wreaking havoc. Another mysterious evil has returned after being defeated by the once powerful Human-San 'Shyumm Alliance.

This unlikely group eventually gets captured by the Master Builder, the Didact is killed and Bornstellar is left to fend for himself in a trial that reveals everything in the Forerunner Empire and Government is going to hell.

The book ends with Bornstellar taking the role of the Didact at a mysterious installation outside the galaxy with a chance at fixing a Galaxy in turmoil.

How is this a bad plot? I could easily describe every main character in the book. The story line was epic and the characters were well developed with even more to be added in the remaining books in the trilogy.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 2:11 PM PST]

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Posted by: Onyx81
Not an Interesting plot!? Are you serious?

Let's see...

A kid goes to earth and awakens an ancient battle tactician with the help of two devolved humans. They then proceed to go on an adventure while trying to escape the Forerunner Master Builder, and discover that an ancient evil known as the Timeless One was released and is now wreaking havoc. Another mysterious evil has returned after being defeated by the once powerful Human-San 'Shyumm Alliance.

This unlikely group eventually gets captured by the Master Builder, the Didact is killed and Bornstellar is left to fend for himself in a trial that reveals everything in the Forerunner Empire and Government is going to hell.

The book ends with Bornstellar taking the role of the Didact at a mysterious installation outside the galaxy with a chance at fixing a Galaxy in turmoil.

How is this a bad plot? I could easily describe every main character in the book. The story line was epic and the characters were well developed with even more to be added in the remaining books in the trilogy.

The fact that you can summarize the important points of a 400 page book in about 10 sentences kind of backs my point up. The story picks up after the first three quarters of the book, I'll admit. But those first three quarters, especially the first couple of chapters, are pointlessly slow, and unlike good slow books, I had absolutely no attachment whatsoever to any of the blank characters.

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Did you honestly expect me to type out a few page summary?

I was highlighting the more important parts of the story. That's what a summary is supposed to do.

I won't deny that people can have opinions but, this is an opinion I can't understand. And maybe you've read better books that are more bound to reality.

I just don't understand when the book actually has what you are denying it has.

  • 12.31.2011 2:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Onyx81
Did you honestly expect me to type out a few page summary?

I was highlighting the more important parts of the story. That's what a summary is supposed to do.

I won't deny that people can have opinions but, this is an opinion I can't understand. And maybe you've read better books that are more bound to reality.

I just don't understand when the book actually has what you are denying it has.

There are very few that meet all my definitions of quality. Ender's Game and World War Z are the only ones I can think of. It doesn't take much for me to enjoy a book. I enjoyed Cryptum. I just look at it objectively as a bad example of writing. To me, a good book is something that can meet any one of my three main criteria. The best books I've ever read are, in order, Ender's Game, World War Z and Metro 2033. They all have incredible political, spiritual and/or philosophical themes, and have (at worst) interesting plots and characters that serve to further those themes.

Perhaps my problem with Cryptum is that it is too linear. It feels like half of the book is filler just tacked on to make the book longer. But when I simply am not interested in what happens next, only what happens at the end, why would I want to read?

  • 12.31.2011 2:40 PM PDT

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Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
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We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind

Posted by: Tibetz
The fact that you can summarize the important points of a 400 page book in about 10 sentences kind of backs my point up.

Master Chief jumps out of a cyro tube, and gets into another. I summed up the entire Halo trilogy in one sentence: I guess that means all three games were boring and horrible.

On topic, Primordium is on the way right now. Looking forward to it.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 2:42 PM PST]

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Posted by: Tibetz
The fact that you can summarize the important points of a 400 page book in about 10 sentences kind of backs my point up.

Master Chief jumps out of a cyro tube, and gets into another. I summed up the entire Halo trilogy in one sentence: I guess that makes all three games were boring and horrible.

On topic, Primordium is on the way right now. Looking forward to it.

That's taking it out of slight proportion, but I will admit I am quite aware of the obvious flaw in the statement. I knew it would be picked apart when I posted it.

Maybe the simplest way for me to explain it is that the story of the universe around the characters was far more interesting to me than the story of Bornstellar himself.

  • 12.31.2011 2:44 PM PDT

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind

Posted by: Tibetz
Maybe the simplest way for me to explain it is that the story of the universe around the characters was far more interesting to me than the story of Bornstellar himself.


Kinda makes sense when you think about it.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 3:34 PM PST]

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Did you honestly expect me to type out a few page summary?

I was highlighting the more important parts of the story. That's what a summary is supposed to do.

I won't deny that people can have opinions but, this is an opinion I can't understand. And maybe you've read better books that are more bound to reality.

I just don't understand when the book actually has what you are denying it has.

There are very few that meet all my definitions of quality. Ender's Game and World War Z are the only ones I can think of. It doesn't take much for me to enjoy a book. I enjoyed Cryptum. I just look at it objectively as a bad example of writing. To me, a good book is something that can meet any one of my three main criteria. The best books I've ever read are, in order, Ender's Game, World War Z and Metro 2033. They all have incredible political, spiritual and/or philosophical themes, and have (at worst) interesting plots and characters that serve to further those themes.

Perhaps my problem with Cryptum is that it is too linear. It feels like half of the book is filler just tacked on to make the book longer. But when I simply am not interested in what happens next, only what happens at the end, why would I want to read?
Thank you for elaborating.

That's what I thought though, that after reading excellent books you know have a very high standard.

  • 12.31.2011 3:37 PM PDT


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Posted by: Onyx81
Did you honestly expect me to type out a few page summary?

I was highlighting the more important parts of the story. That's what a summary is supposed to do.

I won't deny that people can have opinions but, this is an opinion I can't understand. And maybe you've read better books that are more bound to reality.

I just don't understand when the book actually has what you are denying it has.

There are very few that meet all my definitions of quality. Ender's Game and World War Z are the only ones I can think of. It doesn't take much for me to enjoy a book. I enjoyed Cryptum. I just look at it objectively as a bad example of writing. To me, a good book is something that can meet any one of my three main criteria. The best books I've ever read are, in order, Ender's Game, World War Z and Metro 2033. They all have incredible political, spiritual and/or philosophical themes, and have (at worst) interesting plots and characters that serve to further those themes.

Perhaps my problem with Cryptum is that it is too linear. It feels like half of the book is filler just tacked on to make the book longer. But when I simply am not interested in what happens next, only what happens at the end, why would I want to read?


That's literally the entire focus of the book. None of the thematic elements are made expressly obvious, that's what makes a book deep, is discovering the hidden messages for yourself, and that goes double for the characters. I heard a good one from another sci-fi author that Faber is an allegory for Dick Chaney (sp?). How power so easily corrupts even the most righteous of cause; "the path to Hell is paved with good intentions." And how even the most advanced of all civilizations, no matter how sophisticated, are still chained by human flaws.

I guess really the entire Forerunner civilization can be considered an allegory for the U.S.A.

Anyway, I respect your own opinion, but you must understand I get annoyed when someone's opinion is based around something, as it were in this case, that the person thinks isn't there, that totally is. Forgive me for the ranting, I just don't see how the book doesn't meet your criteria.

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Posted by: Tibetz

Posted by: Onyx81
Did you honestly expect me to type out a few page summary?

I was highlighting the more important parts of the story. That's what a summary is supposed to do.

I won't deny that people can have opinions but, this is an opinion I can't understand. And maybe you've read better books that are more bound to reality.

I just don't understand when the book actually has what you are denying it has.

There are very few that meet all my definitions of quality. Ender's Game and World War Z are the only ones I can think of. It doesn't take much for me to enjoy a book. I enjoyed Cryptum. I just look at it objectively as a bad example of writing. To me, a good book is something that can meet any one of my three main criteria. The best books I've ever read are, in order, Ender's Game, World War Z and Metro 2033. They all have incredible political, spiritual and/or philosophical themes, and have (at worst) interesting plots and characters that serve to further those themes.

Perhaps my problem with Cryptum is that it is too linear. It feels like half of the book is filler just tacked on to make the book longer. But when I simply am not interested in what happens next, only what happens at the end, why would I want to read?


That's literally the entire focus of the book. None of the thematic elements are made expressly obvious, that's what makes a book deep, is discovering the hidden messages for yourself, and that goes double for the characters. I heard a good one from another sci-fi author that Faber is an allegory for Dick Chaney (sp?). How power so easily corrupts even the most righteous of cause; "the path to Hell is paved with good intentions." And how even the most advanced of all civilizations, no matter how sophisticated, are still chained by human flaws.

I guess really the entire Forerunner civilization can be considered an allegory for the U.S.A.

Anyway, I respect your own opinion, but you must understand I get annoyed when someone's opinion is based around something, as it were in this case, that the person thinks isn't there, that totally is. Forgive me for the ranting, I just don't see how the book doesn't meet your criteria.
While I understand the point of that theme (one I had considered), it doesn't change that the story Bornstellar tells in Cryptum alone (the rest of the trilogy may redeem this) carries no investment for me, and is generally just useless blabbering amidst a wonderfully rich universe.

I said before, the universe around Bornstellar was far more interesting than what Bornstellar was doing. The book was trying to force me to care about him and his story, when all I wanted to do was know more about the broad universe.

  • 12.31.2011 5:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
I don't have it but I've read the first 4 chapters and so far it's shaping up to be better than Cryptum, so it may well take its place as my favourite Halo novel.


If you don't mind me asking: where did you read the first 4 chapters? and what makes you say that it is shaping up to be better than cryptum??

Ive heard quite a bit about primordium from another user on waypoint, and from what he told me, there is no reference to the ancient human tech, nor is their any reference to the precursor tech. This other user, without spoiling much, has made it sound very underwhelming. Can you confirm/deny this? I'm dying to know.

I really hope there are no vague explanations like in cryptum, and that bear reveals more about the ancient humans.

Here.


thanks

  • 01.01.2012 12:35 PM PDT

I found it better than cryptum also and there is NO mention of previous human tech and definitly NO mention of precursor tech.

And basically everything is explained, no gaping holes left in this book like cryptum had

[Edited on 01.01.2012 2:19 PM PST]

  • 01.01.2012 2:18 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

I thought it came out on the 3rd. O.o

Anyway...I would read the first 4 chapters, but I don't like reading chapters online. I need to feel "at home" with the book. It's hard to explain, but trying to read it online doesn't feel right and I can't get into it.

  • 01.01.2012 3:10 PM PDT

You could purchase it online (ebook) since the 28th of Decemeber for some reason lol

  • 01.01.2012 3:13 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Ah, I see. Well, I'm not a fan of ebooks or anything of the sort. I'll wait for the hardcover to come out on the 3rd.

  • 01.01.2012 3:36 PM PDT

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