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Subject: 3 Spartan III's vs 1 Spartan II

Hello. Reach is the first Halo game I have played and my style is mostly recreational.

What would this look like? As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's; however can an advantage of 3 take down 1 Spartan II?

Technically it works out, two would attack from the front and one would kill from the back.


Thoughts?

  • 12.31.2011 4:23 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Holly (a 12 year old in SPI) did well against Kelly (a 41 year old in MJOLNIR) and no, Spartan III's are not "much weaker" than Spartan II's.

  • 12.31.2011 4:31 PM PDT
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To me, that confrontation seemed to be more a case of unexpected capability, given that Kelly had encountered an apparent hostile with almost identical training and [capability- for want of a better term] to her own. I'm not sure it could really be measured as 'Who is better'.


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Holly (a 12 year old in SPI) did well against Kelly (a 41 year old in MJOLNIR) and no, Spartan III's are not "much weaker" than Spartan II's.


OT: It'd depend on the capabilities and experience of those involved. All Spartans have a general skill base that is by far superior to that of any human, however they all specialise in something too, same as normal humans do. There is no out and out superior warrior.

  • 12.31.2011 4:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's
Eh, no...

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Depends if they are NOBLE quality S-IIIs or regular S-IIIs. If they are the select few that have S-II genes(Which would cause S-II augmentation effects) then the S-IIIs win. If they are the regular S-IIIs(Which the augmentations has less of an effect on than the S-IIs) and are given the standard loadout of the SPI armor, then I would say the S-II wins(Granted Mark V or VI armor).

BTW, I wouldn't say Holly did good in H2H against Kelly. She countered 1 or 2 moves, then got slammed into a tree. Kelly probably underestimated Holly first.

  • 12.31.2011 5:03 PM PDT

I think even one Spartan III could take on a Spartan II if they played their cards right. Considering that they would have to go on a lot more dangerous missions they would need to be better trained to get their objectives done. Granted they always died but my point still stands.

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:)


Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.

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:)

To answer the OP however, if the SII was wearing MJOLNIR, then he or she would obviously win.

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Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.


Same augs, different effects based on genes.

  • 12.31.2011 5:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.


Notto dis -blam!-u agen.

They weren't practically the same. I don't want to get into this huge argument, again, so I'll leave it at that.

OT: It depends on who the III's are, and which II they're fighting. It depends too much on the circumstances. If it was say Tom, Lucy, and Six versus Jorge, than obviously the III's would win.

But if it was say Dante, Holly, and Ash, versus Fred, there's a good chance Fred would still come out on top. It just depends on the circumstances.

  • 12.31.2011 5:09 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.


Same augs, different effects based on genes.


Overall at best we can say generic S3 augmentations didn't get the exact same results. Wouldn't say "much weaker" or "weaker" In the sense that there will always been a victory in physical combat.

To the OP, are we talking 3 Spartan III's, age of major mission (like Torpedo) in SPI vs a Spartan II in Mark IV?

If so, S2 most likely due to gear.

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Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.


Notto dis -blam!-u agen.

They weren't practically the same. I don't want to get into this huge argument, again, so I'll leave it at that.

OT: It depends on who the III's are, and which II they're fighting. It depends too much on the circumstances. If it was say Tom, Lucy, and Six versus Jorge, than obviously the III's would win.

But if it was say Dante, Holly, and Ash, versus Fred, there's a good chance Fred would still come out on top. It just depends on the circumstances.


So you have proof that S-IIIs are equal in ability? Because Kurt's letter, Lucy punching Halsey, and the overall record of S-IIIs shows otherwise. Kurt's letter being the primary factor.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.


Same augs, different effects based on genes.


Overall at best we can say generic S3 augmentations didn't get the exact same results. Wouldn't say "much weaker" or "weaker" In the sense that there will always been a victory in physical combat.

To the OP, are we talking 3 Spartan III's, age of major mission (like Torpedo) in SPI vs a Spartan II in Mark IV?

If so, S2 most likely due to gear.


Technically they would be weaker, but not significantly. But I see what you mean. A S-III H2H specialist would probably take down a S-II sniper in H2H.

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Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.


Notto dis -blam!-u agen.

They weren't practically the same. I don't want to get into this huge argument, again, so I'll leave it at that.

Put them in MJOLNIR armour and any real differences would be negligible.

Just sayin' ;)

  • 12.31.2011 5:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: Pingbizzle
As we know Spartan III's are much weaker than Spartan II's

No, they weren't. Their augmentations were practically the same as those the SII received, albeit with a higher survival rate. Their training could be considered less 'advanced' as they had less time, but other than that the SIIIs are more than capable.


Notto dis -blam!-u agen.

They weren't practically the same. I don't want to get into this huge argument, again, so I'll leave it at that.

Put them in MJOLNIR armour and any real differences would be negligible.

Just sayin' ;)


Quite the contrary. MJOLNIR multiplies strength. So that 50lbs-100lbs(Both out of armor) strength gap can suddenly turn into a 150lbs-300lbs(Both in armor) strength gap. See how that works?

[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:31 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 5:30 PM PDT
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weren't you just saying how stupid threads were putting John vs. (insert name here) and now you're doing it

  • 12.31.2011 5:33 PM PDT

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Factual inaccuracy there. A Spartan II and Spartan III received identical augmentations. There were only two differences. One, the threes were given their augmentations by drugs rather than surgical procedures, and two, the threes did not receive the growth spurt hormone.

Due to a Spartan II being physically larger than a SIII, a one on one would favor the II, but three against one? The IIIs would win unless the IIIs were all wearing SPI and fighting a II other than Kelly or Fred, the best CQC personell in the entire UNSC arguably.

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Factual inaccuracy there. A Spartan II and Spartan III received identical augmentations. There were only two differences. One, the threes were given their augmentations by drugs rather than surgical procedures, and two, the threes did not receive the growth spurt hormone.

Due to a Spartan II being physically larger than a SIII, a one on one would favor the II, but three against one? The IIIs would win unless the IIIs were all wearing SPI and fighting a II other than Kelly or Fred, the best CQC personell in the entire UNSC arguably.


ANNND the GENES. Hence Kurt's letter and NOBLE Team.

  • 12.31.2011 8:48 PM PDT

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As allies we have fought through the fires across the depths of Hell. As friends we are victorious but as brothers we stand united. WE ARE RESURCTED!
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They have the same genetic augmentations, if not more advanced augmentations. Really the only difference is the MJOLNIR armor system which would grant considerable leverage to the Spartan II. However, the momentum changer would be speed. The III's are faster and more agile thanks to no added weight. While the II's are integrated into the armor to create superhuman reflexes, the III's would still have the advantage. The III's would win no doubt. However, if that II was MC... I'm not so sure. As Cortana says. He has luck.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 8:50 PM PST]

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Posted by: Twinkerdoodle
They have the same genetic augmentations, if not more advanced augmentations. Really the only difference is the MJOLNIR armor system which would grant considerable leverage to the Spartan II. However, the momentum changer would be speed. The III's are faster and more agile thanks to no added weight. While the II's are integrated into the armor to create superhuman reflexes, the III's would still have the advantage. The III's would win no doubt. However, if that II was MC... I'm not so sure. As Cortana says. He has luck.


MJOLNIR doesn't inhibit speed, at all. It actually increases it, more than the SPI.

  • 12.31.2011 8:52 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Factual inaccuracy there. A Spartan II and Spartan III received identical augmentations. There were only two differences. One, the threes were given their augmentations by drugs rather than surgical procedures, and two, the threes did not receive the growth spurt hormone.

Due to a Spartan II being physically larger than a SIII, a one on one would favor the II, but three against one? The IIIs would win unless the IIIs were all wearing SPI and fighting a II other than Kelly or Fred, the best CQC personell in the entire UNSC arguably.


ANNND the GENES. Hence Kurt's letter and NOBLE Team.

True. However I somewhat fall into Mendez's camp. Genes don't make the warrior. I mean of course if one had a genetic defect then yes, but both classes were pretty much perfectly healthy human beings.

  • 12.31.2011 8:53 PM PDT
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S-IIs had stricter gene requirements. Stricter gene requirements=better genes=better effects from augmentaion. The effects were amplified even more so for the IIs(and NOBLE Team) than they were for S-IIIs.

  • 12.31.2011 8:56 PM PDT

97% OF TEENS WON'T STAND UP FOR GOD. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE 3% WHO WILL, PUT THIS IN YOUR SIG.
As comrades we have outlasted this storm known as life.
As allies we have fought through the fires across the depths of Hell. As friends we are victorious but as brothers we stand united. WE ARE RESURCTED!
The Revisionaries


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Posted by: Twinkerdoodle
They have the same genetic augmentations, if not more advanced augmentations. Really the only difference is the MJOLNIR armor system which would grant considerable leverage to the Spartan II. However, the momentum changer would be speed. The III's are faster and more agile thanks to no added weight. While the II's are integrated into the armor to create superhuman reflexes, the III's would still have the advantage. The III's would win no doubt. However, if that II was MC... I'm not so sure. As Cortana says. He has luck.


MJOLNIR doesn't inhibit speed, at all. It actually increases it, more than the SPI.
The flawless integration of mind and machine does increase reaction time. But take into consideration the time for electrical signals to be sent. That coupled with added weight, time for hydrolic fluid to be pumped etc... Then the III's have a slight advantage. I never said it was significant 1 v 1, but an advantage. A III's signal just needs to be sent to the muscle, no hydrolic pressure needed. Just ATP from the muscle cells.

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Twinkerdoodle
They have the same genetic augmentations, if not more advanced augmentations. Really the only difference is the MJOLNIR armor system which would grant considerable leverage to the Spartan II. However, the momentum changer would be speed. The III's are faster and more agile thanks to no added weight. While the II's are integrated into the armor to create superhuman reflexes, the III's would still have the advantage. The III's would win no doubt. However, if that II was MC... I'm not so sure. As Cortana says. He has luck.


MJOLNIR doesn't inhibit speed, at all. It actually increases it, more than the SPI.
The flawless integration of mind and machine does increase reaction time. But take into consideration the time for electrical signals to be sent. That coupled with added weight, time for hydrolic fluid to be pumped etc... Then the III's have a slight advantage. I never said it was significant 1 v 1, but an advantage. A III's signal just needs to be sent to the muscle, no hydrolic pressure needed. Just ATP from the muscle cells.


Their reaction time was stated to be under 20 milliseconds and that was before they got the armor. With Mark V i think it was around 4, it was then stated that cortana improves his reaction time.

The SIIIs are not going to be faster than an SII.

  • 12.31.2011 9:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Twinkerdoodle

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Twinkerdoodle
They have the same genetic augmentations, if not more advanced augmentations. Really the only difference is the MJOLNIR armor system which would grant considerable leverage to the Spartan II. However, the momentum changer would be speed. The III's are faster and more agile thanks to no added weight. While the II's are integrated into the armor to create superhuman reflexes, the III's would still have the advantage. The III's would win no doubt. However, if that II was MC... I'm not so sure. As Cortana says. He has luck.


MJOLNIR doesn't inhibit speed, at all. It actually increases it, more than the SPI.
The flawless integration of mind and machine does increase reaction time. But take into consideration the time for electrical signals to be sent. That coupled with added weight, time for hydrolic fluid to be pumped etc... Then the III's have a slight advantage. I never said it was significant 1 v 1, but an advantage. A III's signal just needs to be sent to the muscle, no hydrolic pressure needed. Just ATP from the muscle cells.

I'm sorry bud, but that's not remotely true.

The MJOLNIR system was designed to increase reaction times and make the weight of the armor irrelevant. With an AI integrated, electrical signals were processed even quicker.

  • 12.31.2011 9:08 PM PDT