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Subject: 3 Spartan III's vs 1 Spartan II

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Posted by: krnlcheese
weren't you just saying how stupid threads were putting John vs. (insert name here) and now you're doing it


I like how you caught that. Actually, I'm just putting this out there as a test to see how much Halo lore I haven't experienced.

  • 12.31.2011 10:01 PM PDT

Ending the II vs. III debate.

II's

-surgical augmentations

-(insignificantly) better genes. like, .000001% better (not real percentage, but it illustrates my point)

-Mjolnir

-Thyroid implant

- Larger

III's

- Chemical augmentations (same effects, with the frontal lobe mutation, which adds extra survivability, even more so than a II)

-Slightly larger gene pool, but still the very best humanity had to offer

-SPI, which granted near-seamless active camo, with ballistic & plasma resistance.

- No thyroid implant (smaller stature =/= worse)

- Slightly smaller than a II

-Tougher training regime than the II's

Back on topic, I think the III's would win from stealth and numbers, not necessarily by strength.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Um, no.


You cannot determine how important the genes are. You would need a control group and to actually do an experiment. The genes are highly significant.

The Lobe mutation was given to the last batch of SIIIs (if not a group before them)

I am contesting the gene pool's validity since Ackerson just coerced random refugees. Ackerson didn't care about the gene pool so i honestly doubt he actually had a list of children.

Um, The SPI armor was like paper.

I wouldn't say it was "tougher" but more streamlined since they are just suicide soldiers. They aren't able to act on themselves in a large scale scenario, which is a major problem.

I don't see how they could be stealthy when Kelly didn't have an issue spotting them. And numbers never matter.

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OP, Armor or no?

If yes, which armor(s)?

[Edited on 12.31.2011 10:38 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 10:38 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Um, no.


You cannot determine how important the genes are. You would need a control group and to actually do an experiment. The genes are highly significant.

The Lobe mutation was given to the last batch of SIIIs (if not a group before them)

I am contesting the gene pool's validity since Ackerson just coerced random refugees. Ackerson didn't care about the gene pool so i honestly doubt he actually had a list of children.

Um, The SPI armor was like paper.

I wouldn't say it was "tougher" but more streamlined since they are just suicide soldiers. They aren't able to act on themselves in a large scale scenario, which is a major problem.

I don't see how they could be stealthy when Kelly didn't have an issue spotting them. And numbers never matter.


grey, I would like to not start another argument about the genes, but think about it.

-Earth alone has 20 BILLION people by the start of the war.

-there are 900? UNSC colonies, the gene pool is going to have thousands of viable candidates, the only reason the SII didn't have a larger pool was because of the INEFFECTIVE AUGMENTATIONS*

*not saying they are bad, but they only work for the smallest fraction imaginable.

SPI was not like paper, it's nanocrystal layer was better than 2.5 inches of Kevlar diamond weave. That's pretty good for being invisible.

My bad about the lobe mutation.

Kelly saw her on the motion tracker I believe.

Kurt himself, said that he created a training program TOUGHER than the spartan II's

SII fraction for 20 billion people: 0.00000000375% of the population. That's just Earth if it was all 4 year olds.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 10:48 PM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

You don't even know what the genetic markers are so everything is irrelevant. Halesy herself said there weren't enough candidates for a second class, thus some of them got into the SIII program.

It was "like paper" because it wouldn't stand up to the plasma, hence them being given camo instead and being told to work as a team.

Camo doesn't show on the motion tracker. She saw Holly moving around and after she got done fighting her she saw the others trying to flank her.

Tougher doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean the SIIIs are smarter than the SIIs, which we know they aren't. Brute force means nothing.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 10:51 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 10:50 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
You don't even know what the genetic markers where so everything is irrelevant. Halesy herself said there weren't enough candidates for a second class, thus some of them got into the SIII program.

It was "like paper" because it wouldn't stand up to the plasma, hence them being given camo instead and being told to work as a team.

Camo doesn't show on the motion tracker. She saw Holly moving around and after she got done fighting her she saw the others trying to flank her.

Tougher doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean the SIIIs are smarter than the SIIs, which we know they aren't. Brute force means nothing.


Halsey had to deal with the more selective SII augments. Kurt said the III's one's were leaps ahead of his.

SPI could take a hit, Kurt took a direct hit from a Hunter shield and didn't get sliced in half, (yes there was damage but still better than conventional armor) then he took several plasma hits after that, and all this was after a large engagement.

Kelly is also a Spartan with 20+? years of combat experience. Holly was green straight out of training.

Never said brute force, but the III's did have to be able to work as a fireteam (so did the II's btw) the only difference is that the III's needed to be a team, whereas the II's weren't necessarily needed to be a team.


Also, Halsey didn't have full access to the genes of all the children in the Outer Colonies.

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Posted by: grey101
Camo doesn't show on the motion tracker. She saw Holly moving around and after she got done fighting her she saw the others trying to flank her.


It's a motion tracker...If you move slowly, which is how you should move in camoflage, you won't be picked up by the motion tracker.

Unless I misread your point.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
You don't even know what the genetic markers where so everything is irrelevant. Halesy herself said there weren't enough candidates for a second class, thus some of them got into the SIII program.

It was "like paper" because it wouldn't stand up to the plasma, hence them being given camo instead and being told to work as a team.

Camo doesn't show on the motion tracker. She saw Holly moving around and after she got done fighting her she saw the others trying to flank her.

Tougher doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean the SIIIs are smarter than the SIIs, which we know they aren't. Brute force means nothing.


Halsey had to deal with the more selective SII augments. Kurt said the III's one's were leaps ahead of his.

SPI could take a hit, Kurt took a direct hit from a Hunter shield and didn't get sliced in half, (yes there was damage but still better than conventional armor) then he took several plasma hits after that, and all this was after a large engagement.

Kelly is also a Spartan with 20+? years of combat experience. Holly was green straight out of training.

Never said brute force, but the III's did have to be able to work as a fireteam (so did the II's btw) the only difference is that the III's needed to be a team, whereas the II's weren't necessarily needed to be a team.



Irrelevant. You do not know what the genetic markers were, therefore you cannot state the genes are "irrelevant". And Kurt was proud of his suicidal soldiers, unless spartans are immune to bragging.

You do understand that plasma is energy and not physical? stay will my post and this won't be confusing. And i would love you to back your statements up, because i don't remember SPI being as strong as you are making it seem.

Kurt clearly expressed how lucky he was and that another hit would kill him.
If you want to talk about that further give me a page number for that because i don't think it happened how you are implying it did.

Don't see what your point is with Holly and you aren't staying focused. Kelly imprinted her hand into the armor by hitting it, something that couldn't be done to Mark V.

I know this. You are implying that the SIIIs would win by sheer force and not having any intelligence behind their actions.

  • 12.31.2011 11:09 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Irrelevant. You do not know what the genetic markers were, therefore you cannot state the genes are "irrelevant". And Kurt was proud of his suicidal soldiers, unless spartans are immune to bragging.

You do understand that plasma is energy and not physical? stay will my post and this won't be confusing. And i would love you to back your statements up, because i don't remember SPI being as strong as you are making it seem.

Kurt clearly expressed how lucky he was and that another hit would kill him.
If you want to talk about that further give me a page number for that because i don't think it happened how you are implying it did.

Don't see what your point is with Holly and you aren't staying focused. Kelly imprinted her hand into the armor by hitting it, something that couldn't be done to Mark V.

I know this. You are implying that the SIIIs would win by sheer force and not having any intelligence behind their actions.



Never said the genes were irrelevant, but there is no way that in a universe with probably trillions of people, that there are only 75 that perfectly match the markers they were looking for. I don't think Kurt would brag to himself? It was an internal thought.

Also, I think we've had a misunderstanding of the importance of genes, what I meant by the insignificantly larger gene pool was that it was still such a small pool that they were still nearly identical.

Why would they design an expensive armor that was specifically made to fight against plasma weapons, if it provided little/no protection against plasma?

Kurt very plainly got hit full force with a Hunter shield. Then Elite snipers shot at him, which did melt his chestplate off, at least partially, and it's safe to assume he was at least grazed by plasma in a previous engagement, or some other cause of damage. I would give you a page number, but currently the whereabouts of my GoO are unknown, I left it on my desk last time we had this argument but it is nowhere to be found.

I never said SPI > Mjolnir. That is definitely untrue, but it's irrelevant. I was talking about the effectiveness of the camo. Yes, Kelly saw her, but she had years of experience to hone her abilities. Holly on the other hand, was straight out of "boot camp". Maybe if it were Olivia rather than Holly, Kelly might not have seen her, since even Kurt had trouble spotting her without armor.

And in my original post, I said the III's might win, NOT because of brute force, but by stealth, which would take intelligence.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 11:32 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 11:24 PM PDT

If I may simply add in, I do not believe Ackerson had a part in selecting which children got in.

This is because IIRC, Kurt makes a comment about how even with their 'expanded genetic markers' they still only have about 300 or so children, a far cry from the 1000 or so Ackerson wanted for beta company.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: grey101

Irrelevant. You do not know what the genetic markers were, therefore you cannot state the genes are "irrelevant". And Kurt was proud of his suicidal soldiers, unless spartans are immune to bragging.

You do understand that plasma is energy and not physical? stay will my post and this won't be confusing. And i would love you to back your statements up, because i don't remember SPI being as strong as you are making it seem.

Kurt clearly expressed how lucky he was and that another hit would kill him.
If you want to talk about that further give me a page number for that because i don't think it happened how you are implying it did.

Don't see what your point is with Holly and you aren't staying focused. Kelly imprinted her hand into the armor by hitting it, something that couldn't be done to Mark V.

I know this. You are implying that the SIIIs would win by sheer force and not having any intelligence behind their actions.



Never said the genes were irrelevant, but there is no way that in a universe with probably trillions of people, that there are only 75 that perfectly match the markers they were looking for. I don't think Kurt would brag to himself? It was an internal thought.

Why would they design an expensive armor that was specifically made to fight against plasma weapons, if it provided little/no protection against plasma?

Kurt very plainly got hit full force with a Hunter shield. Then Elite snipers shot at him, which did melt his chestplate off, at least partially, and it's safe to assume he was at least grazed by plasma in a previous engagement, or some other cause of damage. I would give you a page number, but currently the whereabouts of my GoO are unknown, I left it on my desk last time we had this argument but it is nowhere to be found.

I never said SPI > Mjolnir. That is definitely untrue, but it's irrelevant. I was talking about the effectiveness of the camo. Yes, Kelly saw her, but she had years of experience to hone her abilities. Holly on the other hand, was straight out of "boot camp". Maybe if it were Olivia rather than Holly, Kelly might not have seen her, since even Kurt had trouble spotting her without armor.

And about two posts ago, I said the III's might win, NOT because of brute force, but by stealth, which would take intelligence.


Your statement is irrelevant. Until you know what the genetic markers are you cannot state how rare they are or are not.

Because it is cheap, that was the entire point of the SPI armor. I don't recall Kurt ever getting grazed in GoO. (If i missed that then i missed it) I honestly don't remember Kurt getting in combat with a hunter in GoO. I remember Will and kelly, Dante(?) dying a fuel rod shot.

Years of experience to see a moving mirage? all it does is bend the light around it, if they move you will notice it. It has been referenced several times in the novels that stealth elites we noticed by the shimmering effect they had while moving.

She clearly wasn't using any brains moving directly infront of a target. You should always assume that you are being watched.


I would love to see a scenario because they aren't going to win against SIIs in Mark. It would only be "fair" if both sides didn't wear armor, and fairness nullifies the point.

  • 12.31.2011 11:38 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101


Your statement is irrelevant. Until you know what the genetic markers are you cannot state how rare they are or are not.

Because it is cheap, that was the entire point of the SPI armor. I don't recall Kurt ever getting grazed in GoO. (If i missed that then i missed it) I honestly don't remember Kurt getting in combat with a hunter in GoO. I remember Will and kelly, Dante(?) dying a fuel rod shot.

Years of experience to see a moving mirage? all it does is bend the light around it, if they move you will notice it. It has been referenced several times in the novels that stealth elites we noticed by the shimmering effect they had while moving.

She clearly wasn't using any brains moving directly infront of a target. You should always assume that you are being watched.


I would love to see a scenario because they aren't going to win against SIIs in Mark. It would only be "fair" if both sides didn't wear armor, and fairness nullifies the point.


grey, it is a statistical near-impossibility that only 75 people have those genetic markers.

At the end of GoO just before he detonates the nukes, a Hunter swings it's shield into his midsection, and it does mess up his liver, but he was still moving. Also, Kelly didn't die, she was stunned after Holly jumped in front of the shot. Dante got hit by several plasma and needle shots.

I wouldn't consider another Spartan a target?

Mjolnir vs SPI though, it isn't even really a comparison, they were made for different things, and cost was a factor, so any Spartan in Mjolnir has a serious advantage over SPI

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Again, you have nothing to go by and you don't even get what connection those genetics have.

I remember that now. I was recounting the times hunters were engaged, i know she isn't dead.


Holly did at the time.

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SPARTAN-II would own a SPARTAN-III because of SPARTAN-II's MJOLNIR armor dramatically increases strength, speed and reflexes by multifold.

A three SPARTAN-IIIs vs a SPARTAN-II? I would say it's win for SPARTAN-IIIs, depending on the situation.

*NOTE*

SPARTAN-III's augmentation are identical to SPARTAN-II's augmentations. Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)

The result: SPARTAN-III's natural augmentations (Strength, Speed and Reflex/Vision/etc) are same as SPARTAN-II's natural augmentations.

NOTE: Notice a key word of NATURAL. It means that without ARMOR such as MJOLNIR.

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Tom was able to rip out TITANIUM-A alloy metal door of HEV pod with his strength. Or what about those group of SPARTAN-IIIs during OPERATION: TORPEDO crushed Elites in CQC combat until reinforcements came where it shattered the company's entire moral thus killing every one. Or, Tom easily pushed a ELITE to the ground floor!

So there you go.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Elder Bias

A three SPARTAN-IIIs vs a SPARTAN-II? I would say it's win for SPARTAN-IIIs, depending on the situation.

*NOTE*

SPARTAN-III's augmentation are identical to SPARTAN-II's augmentations. Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)

The result: SPARTAN-III's natural augmentations (Strength, Speed and Reflex/Vision/etc) are same as SPARTAN-II's natural augmentations.

NOTE: Notice a key word of NATURAL. It means that without ARMOR such as MJOLNIR.

You want to me give some examples? OK.

Tom was able to rip out TITANIUM-A alloy metal door of HEV pod with his strength. Or what about those group of SPARTAN-IIIs during OPERATION: TORPEDO crushed Elites in CQC combat until reinforcements came where it shattered the company's entire moral thus killing every one. Or, Tom easily pushed a ELITE to the ground floor!

So there you go.


Yet Lucy punched halsey in the face with enough force to send a shockwave down her arm. And only gave her a black eye.


And The SII would still have the IIIs beat due to being more experienced in combat. I love how people are throwing numbers around like it would really matter.

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Posted by: Elder Bias

Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)


Which is kinda redundant seeing how every member of Noble Team (save for Kat) are about as tall as John and they don't have the augmentation.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Elder Bias

Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)


Which is kinda redundant seeing how every member of Noble Team (save for Kat) are about as tall as John and they don't have the augmentation.


Armor.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Elder Bias

A three SPARTAN-IIIs vs a SPARTAN-II? I would say it's win for SPARTAN-IIIs, depending on the situation.

*NOTE*

SPARTAN-III's augmentation are identical to SPARTAN-II's augmentations. Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)

The result: SPARTAN-III's natural augmentations (Strength, Speed and Reflex/Vision/etc) are same as SPARTAN-II's natural augmentations.

NOTE: Notice a key word of NATURAL. It means that without ARMOR such as MJOLNIR.

You want to me give some examples? OK.

Tom was able to rip out TITANIUM-A alloy metal door of HEV pod with his strength. Or what about those group of SPARTAN-IIIs during OPERATION: TORPEDO crushed Elites in CQC combat until reinforcements came where it shattered the company's entire moral thus killing every one. Or, Tom easily pushed a ELITE to the ground floor!

So there you go.


Yet Lucy punched halsey in the face with enough force to send a shockwave down her arm. And only gave her a black eye.


And The SII would still have the IIIs beat due to being more experienced in combat. I love how people are throwing numbers around like it would really matter.


Oh, -blam!-'s sake. Using that dumb example from Glasslands? We know that Traviss is incapable to write this -blam!- at all. She didn't even research about SPARTAN-III's capabilities and if she knows that, she shouldn't have wrote that -blam!- pathetic part...

;/

Yes, I know. A SPARTAN-II is more experienced than entire company of SPARTAN-IIIs. I suppose that you got that second point, congratulations for your pyrrhic victory.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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lmao.

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Posted by: grey101
lmao.


When you used that horrid Glasslands example which it shouldn't even written at all, I was like this: FUUUU

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Elder Bias

Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)


Which is kinda redundant seeing how every member of Noble Team (save for Kat) are about as tall as John and they don't have the augmentation.


Armor.


Armor doesn't add that much height, seeing how John is 6'10" out of armor and 7'2" in armor. Roughly 10 centimeters in and out of armor. And even if the data given to us is of them in armor, they are still well over the average human height and that's without the augmentation.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Elder Bias

Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)


Which is kinda redundant seeing how every member of Noble Team (save for Kat) are about as tall as John and they don't have the augmentation.


Armor.


Armor doesn't add that much height, seeing how John is 6'10" out of armor and 7'2" in armor. Roughly 10 centimeters in and out of armor. And even if the data given to us is of them in armor, they are still well over the average human height and that's without the augmentation.


I'm fairly certain that average height for humans (UNSC era) is probably six feet or higher... I could be wrong.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Elder Bias

Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)


Which is kinda redundant seeing how every member of Noble Team (save for Kat) are about as tall as John and they don't have the augmentation.


Armor.


Armor doesn't add that much height, seeing how John is 6'10" out of armor and 7'2" in armor. Roughly 10 centimeters in and out of armor. And even if the data given to us is of them in armor, they are still well over the average human height and that's without the augmentation.


I'm fairly certain that average height for humans (UNSC era) is probably six feet or higher... I could be wrong.



Average is 180cm, so you're fairly accurate, but again, 18 centimeters more is well above the average (supposing the given height is in armor, although I doubt it)

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Elder Bias

Only small difference is that method of inserting augmentations and one augmentation that was missing from SPARTAN-III's entire augmentation is Catalyic Thyroid Implant (That stuff makes you be ridiculously tall and bulkier.)[/quote]

Which is kinda redundant seeing how every member of Noble Team (save for Kat) are about as tall as John and they don't have the augmentation.


Armor.


Armor doesn't add that much height, seeing how John is 6'10" out of armor and 7'2" in armor. Roughly 10 centimeters in and out of armor. And even if the data given to us is of them in armor, they are still well over the average human height and that's without the augmentation.


I'm fairly certain that average height for humans (UNSC era) is probably six feet or higher... I could be wrong.



Average is 180cm, so you're fairly accurate, but again, 18 centimeters more is well above the average (supposing the given height is in armor, although I doubt it)


Well what was measurement of Team Noble then?

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