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Subject: 3 Spartan III's vs 1 Spartan II

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
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Six is essentially a S-II(Aswell as the rest of NOBLE Team minus Jorge) without the Thyroid, due to having S-II genes. Hovever, regular S-IIIs didn't get quite the enhanced effects. This is all basically in Kurt's Letter.

Fred was pretty much the best all around Spartan. I may be wrong, but I am fairly sure he was stronger than John.

  • 01.01.2012 9:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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Posted by: superiorarsenal
Posted by: HipiO7
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Posted by: HipiO7
I havent read through the comments yet, but I can already predict this thread, since it's a hot topic, that it is filled with so much ignorance that it'll give me brain cancer, people siding once more with the SII'S where they clearly could not win, hence the discussion of smarter members trying to convince them otherwise.

The three Spartan III's win no doubt. They might not be as experienced as a veteran SII, but nonetheless they have the skill and coordination necesary, and most important, they have the numbers to take on a single Spartan.

Spartan III training is the same training regime SII's had, but improved, they'd know in some ways how the SII's will react to certain situations. It'll be an interesting fight, no doubt, but the SIII's will prevail no doubt about it.


Except SPI is -blam!- when compared to MJOLNIR, and we aren't talking NOBLE S-IIIs, but regular ones I presume.


Armor is not detailed. Thus we have to imagine they either have the same or dont have armor at all. In both cases the Spartan III's win the fight. The Spartan II would only win, and even then the SIII's still have a good chance, if he possessed MJLONIR armor and the Spartan III's SPI.


Why wouldn't we give them the things they commonly have? Just because the OP doesn't specify armor or weapons means they have none? So I assume they are fighting in some sort of endless void because location was not specified either.
The most common armor for S-IIs? MJOLNIR
The most common armor for S-IIIs? SPI

Granted they all have regular weapons and no side getting anything like a rocket launcher, the S-II would be nearly invincible to any small-medium caliber rounds while the S-IIIs in SPI would be taken down much easier.


Pretty much. Location is not detailed, but the most logical place would be either a military base or in the woods, where both clases have been extensively trained.

By that logic then we could also have the Spartan II using ODST armor or the black armor they used to capture Watts, since they have been known to use it before MJLONIR. The same could go for the SIII's using MJLONIR since we know of teams using this armor(Gauntlet).

Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything. Plus, we dont even know how effective the SPI is with solid projectiles. We only know how it reacts to plasma.

  • 01.01.2012 9:11 PM PDT

Spartan III's would win.

  • 01.02.2012 1:32 AM PDT

Spartan III's take this round.

  • 01.02.2012 2:10 AM PDT

Okay...

Spartans II's were all the cream of the crop, they were the perfect humans.

Spartans III's were a mix of everyone.

Now there where some people who would qualify as the cream of the crop in the Spartans III's, there working in units like noble.

So In retrospect, you should be compering perfect candidates to the moderate candidates.


Now on topic. A three spartan III's using SPI would get decimated. Three of the cream of the crop Spartans in a unit like noble, well, they would decimate.

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  • 01.02.2012 8:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Grizzwizz
I think even one Spartan III could take on a Spartan II if they played their cards right. Considering that they would have to go on a lot more dangerous missions they would need to be better trained to get their objectives done. Granted they always died but my point still stands.

  • 01.02.2012 8:13 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: superiorarsenal
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: superiorarsenal
Posted by: HipiO7
I havent read through the comments yet, but I can already predict this thread, since it's a hot topic, that it is filled with so much ignorance that it'll give me brain cancer, people siding once more with the SII'S where they clearly could not win, hence the discussion of smarter members trying to convince them otherwise.

The three Spartan III's win no doubt. They might not be as experienced as a veteran SII, but nonetheless they have the skill and coordination necesary, and most important, they have the numbers to take on a single Spartan.

Spartan III training is the same training regime SII's had, but improved, they'd know in some ways how the SII's will react to certain situations. It'll be an interesting fight, no doubt, but the SIII's will prevail no doubt about it.


Except SPI is -blam!- when compared to MJOLNIR, and we aren't talking NOBLE S-IIIs, but regular ones I presume.


Armor is not detailed. Thus we have to imagine they either have the same or dont have armor at all. In both cases the Spartan III's win the fight. The Spartan II would only win, and even then the SIII's still have a good chance, if he possessed MJLONIR armor and the Spartan III's SPI.


Why wouldn't we give them the things they commonly have? Just because the OP doesn't specify armor or weapons means they have none? So I assume they are fighting in some sort of endless void because location was not specified either.
The most common armor for S-IIs? MJOLNIR
The most common armor for S-IIIs? SPI

Granted they all have regular weapons and no side getting anything like a rocket launcher, the S-II would be nearly invincible to any small-medium caliber rounds while the S-IIIs in SPI would be taken down much easier.


Pretty much. Location is not detailed, but the most logical place would be either a military base or in the woods, where both clases have been extensively trained.

By that logic then we could also have the Spartan II using ODST armor or the black armor they used to capture Watts, since they have been known to use it before MJLONIR. The same could go for the SIII's using MJLONIR since we know of teams using this armor(Gauntlet).

Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything. Plus, we dont even know how effective the SPI is with solid projectiles. We only know how it reacts to plasma.


Just wanted to point out it's never stated they are trained better. It is stated Kurt trained them but he also said he couldn't train the same way as the Spartan II's.

  • 01.02.2012 8:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7


Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything.

I'm sure MJLONIR could take a FEW armour peircing round...

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Posted by: HipiO7


Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything.

I'm sure MJLONIR could take a FEW armour peircing round...

In the fall of reach didn't chief comment on how MJOLNIR, at the time he had no shields, reflected rounds well. And he was tempted to see if he could withstand the turrets rounds or see what calibre he could deflect.
Spartan II's win they had more complicated training and had longer training.

  • 01.02.2012 9:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: HipiO7


Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything.

I'm sure MJLONIR could take a FEW armour peircing round...

In the fall of reach didn't chief comment on how MJOLNIR, at the time he had no shields, reflected rounds well. And he was tempted to see if he could withstand the turrets rounds or see what calibre he could deflect.
Spartan II's win they had more complicated training and had longer training.


Ehh no, Kurt even said so himself, Spartan III training would be more tough and demanding given their need to have Spartans as soon as possible. Besides, I don't see how Spartan II's had a more "complicated" training. Spartan II's were also not taught how to use plasma weapons during training, whereas the Spartan III's did.

  • 01.02.2012 1:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: HipiO7


Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything.

I'm sure MJLONIR could take a FEW armour peircing round...

In the fall of reach didn't chief comment on how MJOLNIR, at the time he had no shields, reflected rounds well. And he was tempted to see if he could withstand the turrets rounds or see what calibre he could deflect.
Spartan II's win they had more complicated training and had longer training.


Ehh no, Kurt even said so himself, Spartan III training would be more tough and demanding given their need to have Spartans as soon as possible. Besides, I don't see how Spartan II's had a more "complicated" training. Spartan II's were also not taught how to use plasma weapons during training, whereas the Spartan III's did.


Tough and demanding=/= better

  • 01.02.2012 4:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: TwistedDippy666

Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: HipiO7


Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything.

I'm sure MJLONIR could take a FEW armour peircing round...

In the fall of reach didn't chief comment on how MJOLNIR, at the time he had no shields, reflected rounds well. And he was tempted to see if he could withstand the turrets rounds or see what calibre he could deflect.
Spartan II's win they had more complicated training and had longer training.


Ehh no, Kurt even said so himself, Spartan III training would be more tough and demanding given their need to have Spartans as soon as possible. Besides, I don't see how Spartan II's had a more "complicated" training. Spartan II's were also not taught how to use plasma weapons during training, whereas the Spartan III's did.


Tough and demanding=/= better


Okay, how about this. Kurt got everything he requested to train the Spartan III's. This included but was not limited to:

-Covenant technology
-Tanks
-Weaponry
-Ammunition
-Dropships

Now, I don't know about you, but I don't remember reading about the Spartan II's getting that for their training.

In the last six months he had developed a training regime tougher than the original SPARTAN program. He had created obstacle courses, firing ranges, classrooms, mess halls, and dormitories from what had been jungle and scrub plain.

He had received every piece of equipment he had requested from NavSpecWep Section Three. Guns, ammunition, dropships, tanks, even samples of Covenant technology and weaponry had appeared as if by sleight of hand.

  • 01.02.2012 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: TwistedDippy666
Posted by: ferrrari
Posted by: HipiO7


Spartan's ALWAYS carry armor piercing rounds. Spartan III's could easily bypass the armor of a Spartan II with virtually any armor piercing round at hand. MJLONIR is not a freaking armor like the ones Hunters have which impervious to everything.

I'm sure MJLONIR could take a FEW armour peircing round...

In the fall of reach didn't chief comment on how MJOLNIR, at the time he had no shields, reflected rounds well. And he was tempted to see if he could withstand the turrets rounds or see what calibre he could deflect.
Spartan II's win they had more complicated training and had longer training.


True, but I highly doubt those rounds were specifically armor piercing, if not the Chief would have been annihilated. The armor piercing rounds were used on the shield testing, not back on Chi Ceti IV when they received their armor.

And you really think Spartan III's would only get a couple of rounds on a single target? Three of them? Seriously?

Spartan III training may have been shorter, but it was much more intense. Kurt had made sure their training were more demanding than the Spartan II training had ever been. The Spartan III pretty much equaled the level of the Spartan II's in fewer years. The only thing that differenciated them was real time experience on the field for years and equipment. Had they been equal both of those, I have no doubt that a Spartan III could take on a Spartan II alone.

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MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.

  • 01.03.2012 4:23 PM PDT


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MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.
Umm...

The outer shell of the MJOLNIR armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell.

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Posted by: grey101
MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.
Umm...

The outer shell of the MJOLNIR armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell.


Odd, when was the AP part stated?

  • 01.03.2012 4:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Posted by: grey101
MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.
Umm...

The outer shell of the MJOLNIR armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell.


Odd, when was the AP part stated?


What happened at Camp Victoria with Blue Team then? That should be evidence enough that MJOLNIR is not impervious to anything lesser than a rocket.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
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Posted by: grey101
MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.
Umm...

The outer shell of the MJOLNIR armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell.


Odd, when was the AP part stated?


What happened at Camp Victoria with Blue Team then? That should be evidence enough that MJOLNIR is not impervious to anything lesser than a rocket.


I asked for a source not you trying to defend your position. AP means that if you shoot directly at the chest piece of a Mark 5 suit soon enough the rounds will pierce. Rounds,regardless of their type, breaching vital parts of the suit doesn't mean anything.

  • 01.03.2012 4:49 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: grey101
MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.
Umm...

The outer shell of the MJOLNIR armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell.


Odd, when was the AP part stated?
You said All rounds...

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: grey101
MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.
Umm...

The outer shell of the MJOLNIR armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell.


Odd, when was the AP part stated?
You said All rounds...


I am capable of understanding what i am typing. When the armor was first introduced it was stated to be immune to all fire, you bring up that AP rounds best the armor, thus, i am asking for a direct source.

Stop acting as if i am attacking you, i just want to know if i am wrong or not. Though, you are frustrating me.

  • 01.03.2012 7:51 PM PDT
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I believe Grey is correct in this instance.

MJOLNIR is in it's most primitive form, ballistics rated.

From memory:

Marines wear the basic ballistics rated combat armor, hence why energy based weapons cut them to shreds. When going up against an insurrectionist armed with an MA2 assault rifle, however, I'm sure the marine can take a little bit more heat.

ODST's wear even more armor again, so I'm sure you can piece two and two together [I hope]

MJOLNIR is considerably more robust than any form of ballistics rated combat armor, and has similar properties to UNSC Battle-plate armor found on most warships [Titanium Alloy] and further more has a reflective coating intended to dissipate bursts from energy based weapons. The later addition of overshields and the other improvements made to Mk V only bolstered the already impressive warsuit's capabilities.

Furthermore, as the armor is constructed in layers, it would take a high volume of AP rounds to penetrate the outer shell [unless we're talking about something bigger than a 7.62mm round].

The way armor piercing rounds work comes down to the very tip of the bullet, which is flat or stubbed in order to give the round more surface area on the target whilst allowing the energy of the round to still be focused and transfered to a single point. It doesn't work on all armor and has trouble with layers as a lot of kinetic energy is expelled in the penetration process. In the event it does penetrate, it'll still kill a person though.



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  • 01.03.2012 11:43 PM PDT

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1v1, a Spartan II is better, but against even two would be suicide.

  • 01.04.2012 1:01 AM PDT


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Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: grey101
MJOLNIR is immune to all rounds fire, save for rockets.
Umm...

The outer shell of the MJOLNIR armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell.


Odd, when was the AP part stated?
You said All rounds...


I am capable of understanding what i am typing. When the armor was first introduced it was stated to be immune to all fire, you bring up that AP rounds best the armor, thus, i am asking for a direct source.

Stop acting as if i am attacking you, i just want to know if i am wrong or not. Though, you are frustrating me.
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Halopedian isn't a source and you should know better.

  • 01.04.2012 4:29 PM PDT

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i must say, for any battle with any amount of troops, it depends on the variables. though if it was a head on equal fight scenario, because of the higher survival rate in the field, the SII would win

  • 01.04.2012 4:41 PM PDT