Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: 3 Spartan III's vs 1 Spartan II
  • Subject: 3 Spartan III's vs 1 Spartan II
Subject: 3 Spartan III's vs 1 Spartan II

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Bombsoldier

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Bombsoldier
well if its Linda-058 she could no-scope them all in about a second and a half, MC has 'luck' not to mention more combat experience than they have been alive, Spartan II's don't have -blam!- armour ( their armour was made for combat not infiltration like SPI) and dont mention that noble team has MJOLNIR either because they are watered down models of mk V. I think a spartan II could hold his/her own but they would definitely need to fight strategically, not run in guns blazing


Yeah...no.


yes...


Give me direct quotes that Noble Team got "watered down" MJOLNIR, I dare you.

  • 01.07.2012 7:19 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Well, I have found the quote that seals the deal on the S-III genetic requirements, as well as hinting on the effects of the augs.

Halo: Glasslands pg 269-270

"Well, you know we didn't select them on the basis of perfect genomes," he said. Halsey had suspended the second tranche of the Spartan program because she'd run out of candidates with the deal genetic profile. She knew he wasn't going to let her forget it. "They were all orphans. No qualification beyond the Covenant slaughtering their entire family. We asked them if they wanted to get their revenge, and we took the ones who said yes." He put his cigar back in his belt pouch, but he was staring right into her face. "We took volunteers. We enhanced them some, but we took whatever we could get, and they turned out fine."
"No filtering at all?" A six-year old couldn't possibly understand combat enough to volunteer, but she didn't want to start a pissing contest with him over ethics, not in front of the Spartans. "Not even genetic screening?"
"You think it's all about genes, Doctor? The Spartans that I trained were made from random, raw, imperfect huumanity. But by God, they were motivated. And that's what it's all about. A state of mind."
Halsey wanted to resist a debate, but if she'd just nodded and smiled it would make him just as angry. "If that were true, then we wouldn't have needed the Spartan program. Exceptional genes create an advantage in any field."


What I get from this:
1)Very little, if any, genetic requirements
2)enhanced them SOME, indicating they did not recieve anywhere close to the effects the S-IIs had

THe excepton of course would be NOBLE Team, as they had S-II genes. I highly doubt, after taking that quote into account, that a regular S-III could even wear MJOLNIR. NOBLE Team could because they got the same effects that the IIs did.

  • 01.07.2012 8:51 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

"Tell me about the selection process for the next class of SPARTAN-IIIs," the Vice Admiral asked Kurt.

"Ma'am," Kurt said, "we are operating under Colonel Ackerson's expanded selection criteria, but there are not enough age appropriate genetic matches to meet the larger second-class target number." "There are sufficient genetic matches," Colonel Ackerson corrected. His face was an impassive mask. "What's missing are data to find additional matches. We need to proscribe mandatory genetic screening in the outer colonies. Those untapped populations are"

"That's the last thing we need in the outer colonies," the Rear Admiral said. "We're just getting a handle on a near civil war. You tell an O.C. they got to register their kids' genes, and they'll all be reaching for their rifles." The Vice Admiral steeped her withered hands. "Say it is part of a vaccine program. We take a microscopic sample as we inject the children. Inform no one."

The Rear Admiral looked dubious, but offered no further comment. "Go on. Lieutenant," she said. "We have identified 375 candidates," Kurt said. "Slightly less than we started with for Alpha Company, but we have learned from our mistakes. We will be able to graduate a much higher percentage this time."


Can't really give you a concrete page since I use a digital copy, but it's just after Operation: PROMETHEUS. About page 50.

  • 01.08.2012 12:58 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: zak2014
I'm not sure where everyone is getting this "SIII's are just random refugees" stuff, they were refugees, but they still met the genetic screening, else the augmentations would've killed or crippled them.



You might want to re-read GoO because Ackerson clearly didn't care for the genetics part of the program. Not to mention i highly doubt that ackerson screened the kids because it was clearly stated that they just asked refugees of recently glassed worlds to join.

Having something injected to you via needle is not the same as it being surgically grafted into your bones. Genetics are irrelevant for the injections.


They clearly screened the kids, seeing how they wanted 1,000 for Beta company but due to them not matching the genetic criteria, they had to lower it back to 300-330. They even proposed checking the outer colonies for more kids but it was deemed to difficult due to the people already disliking UNSC, they would not allow for some random "medic" to take a sample of their kids' blood.


Your all wrong, he din't care about the genetics as much and ended up taking any kid that could survive the argumentation were as the Halsey only took the best possible genetics.

  • 01.08.2012 2:34 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: jonesy90000

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: zak2014
I'm not sure where everyone is getting this "SIII's are just random refugees" stuff, they were refugees, but they still met the genetic screening, else the augmentations would've killed or crippled them.



You might want to re-read GoO because Ackerson clearly didn't care for the genetics part of the program. Not to mention i highly doubt that ackerson screened the kids because it was clearly stated that they just asked refugees of recently glassed worlds to join.

Having something injected to you via needle is not the same as it being surgically grafted into your bones. Genetics are irrelevant for the injections.


They clearly screened the kids, seeing how they wanted 1,000 for Beta company but due to them not matching the genetic criteria, they had to lower it back to 300-330. They even proposed checking the outer colonies for more kids but it was deemed to difficult due to the people already disliking UNSC, they would not allow for some random "medic" to take a sample of their kids' blood.


Your all wrong, he din't care about the genetics as much and ended up taking any kid that could survive the argumentation were as the Halsey only took the best possible genetics.


Didn't you see my post that is literally above yours?

  • 01.08.2012 4:00 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

A Spartan II would win.

  • 01.08.2012 5:10 AM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well, I have found the quote that seals the deal on the S-III genetic requirements, as well as hinting on the effects of the augs.

Halo: Glasslands pg 269-270

"Well, you know we didn't select them on the basis of perfect genomes," he said. Halsey had suspended the second tranche of the Spartan program because she'd run out of candidates with the deal genetic profile. She knew he wasn't going to let her forget it. "They were all orphans. No qualification beyond the Covenant slaughtering their entire family. We asked them if they wanted to get their revenge, and we took the ones who said yes." He put his cigar back in his belt pouch, but he was staring right into her face. "We took volunteers. We enhanced them some, but we took whatever we could get, and they turned out fine."
"No filtering at all?" A six-year old couldn't possibly understand combat enough to volunteer, but she didn't want to start a pissing contest with him over ethics, not in front of the Spartans. "Not even genetic screening?"
"You think it's all about genes, Doctor? The Spartans that I trained were made from random, raw, imperfect huumanity. But by God, they were motivated. And that's what it's all about. A state of mind."
Halsey wanted to resist a debate, but if she'd just nodded and smiled it would make him just as angry. "If that were true, then we wouldn't have needed the Spartan program. Exceptional genes create an advantage in any field."


What I get from this:
1)Very little, if any, genetic requirements
2)enhanced them SOME, indicating they did not recieve anywhere close to the effects the S-IIs had

THe excepton of course would be NOBLE Team, as they had S-II genes. I highly doubt, after taking that quote into account, that a regular S-III could even wear MJOLNIR. NOBLE Team could because they got the same effects that the IIs did.


This is new info to me, I haven't read Glasslands, that's why I've been so adamant towards the near perfection of the genes. But didn't Traviss not read any of the novels beforehand?

  • 01.08.2012 9:48 AM PDT


Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well, I have found the quote that seals the deal on the S-III genetic requirements, as well as hinting on the effects of the augs.

Halo: Glasslands pg 269-270

"Well, you know we didn't select them on the basis of perfect genomes," he said. Halsey had suspended the second tranche of the Spartan program because she'd run out of candidates with the deal genetic profile. She knew he wasn't going to let her forget it. "They were all orphans. No qualification beyond the Covenant slaughtering their entire family. We asked them if they wanted to get their revenge, and we took the ones who said yes." He put his cigar back in his belt pouch, but he was staring right into her face. "We took volunteers. We enhanced them some, but we took whatever we could get, and they turned out fine."
"No filtering at all?" A six-year old couldn't possibly understand combat enough to volunteer, but she didn't want to start a pissing contest with him over ethics, not in front of the Spartans. "Not even genetic screening?"
"You think it's all about genes, Doctor? The Spartans that I trained were made from random, raw, imperfect huumanity. But by God, they were motivated. And that's what it's all about. A state of mind."
Halsey wanted to resist a debate, but if she'd just nodded and smiled it would make him just as angry. "If that were true, then we wouldn't have needed the Spartan program. Exceptional genes create an advantage in any field."


What I get from this:
1)Very little, if any, genetic requirements
2)enhanced them SOME, indicating they did not recieve anywhere close to the effects the S-IIs had

THe excepton of course would be NOBLE Team, as they had S-II genes. I highly doubt, after taking that quote into account, that a regular S-III could even wear MJOLNIR. NOBLE Team could because they got the same effects that the IIs did.


This is new info to me, I haven't read Glasslands, that's why I've been so adamant towards the near perfection of the genes. But didn't Traviss not read any of the novels beforehand?


After she was signed on to the series, she did. It's part of how she works--she won't do anything that she's had prior contact with, but once she's on the team, she'll learn everything she can, from books, the writers themselves, Encyclopedias, etc.

Edit: though from recollection, I think he's right. ONI went to many refugee camps and orphanages, asked the kids if they wanted revenge, and took them in. I don't recall mention of any prior screening.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 10:02 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 10:00 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Don't do anything you wouldn't want to have to explain to paramedics. Trust me, I'm a pilot.


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well, I have found the quote that seals the deal on the S-III genetic requirements, as well as hinting on the effects of the augs.

Halo: Glasslands pg 269-270

"Well, you know we didn't select them on the basis of perfect genomes," he said. Halsey had suspended the second tranche of the Spartan program because she'd run out of candidates with the deal genetic profile. She knew he wasn't going to let her forget it. "They were all orphans. No qualification beyond the Covenant slaughtering their entire family. We asked them if they wanted to get their revenge, and we took the ones who said yes." He put his cigar back in his belt pouch, but he was staring right into her face. "We took volunteers. We enhanced them some, but we took whatever we could get, and they turned out fine."
"No filtering at all?" A six-year old couldn't possibly understand combat enough to volunteer, but she didn't want to start a pissing contest with him over ethics, not in front of the Spartans. "Not even genetic screening?"
"You think it's all about genes, Doctor? The Spartans that I trained were made from random, raw, imperfect huumanity. But by God, they were motivated. And that's what it's all about. A state of mind."
Halsey wanted to resist a debate, but if she'd just nodded and smiled it would make him just as angry. "If that were true, then we wouldn't have needed the Spartan program. Exceptional genes create an advantage in any field."


What I get from this:
1)Very little, if any, genetic requirements
2)enhanced them SOME, indicating they did not recieve anywhere close to the effects the S-IIs had

THe excepton of course would be NOBLE Team, as they had S-II genes. I highly doubt, after taking that quote into account, that a regular S-III could even wear MJOLNIR. NOBLE Team could because they got the same effects that the IIs did.


There weren't any genetic requirements for S-IIIs.The only requirements were that 1. They were orphans and 2. They wanted revenge against the Covenant.

As for the enhancements, when comparing the S-II augmentations to the S-III augmentations, it is clear that the only differences between the two are the fact that the S-IIIs had their frontal lobes altered to increase aggression levels. Project CHRYSANTHEMUM had a 100% success rate because no surgery was involved whatsoever; everything was injected. This allowed for much safer augmentation procedures, while still giving the S-IIIs equivelent augmentations to that of the S-IIS. As for Noble Team, they did not have "S-II genes", but were found to be better soldiers than their comrades, similar to but seperate from the S-III Headhunters. They were also a special operations squad, and as such, were deployed with MJOLNIR variants in lieu of cheap SPI armour in order to improve their effectiveness in the field.

  • 01.08.2012 10:20 AM PDT

“We are the Mirratord. We strike with speed and stealth. Our enemies will not see their deaths. They will not know their fate. In darkness, we will see light. In light, we will see darkness. No matter the location, we will see victory. If we fail, no one will know. Like a ghost, our presence is a mystery. For the honor of the mirratord" join the Mirratord

S-III's are just ODSTs that have invisibility.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 10:26 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 10:25 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Edit: though from recollection, I think he's right. ONI went to many refugee camps and orphanages, asked the kids if they wanted revenge, and took them in. I don't recall mention of any prior screening.


Um, look at the post up the page. It DIRECTLY states there was genetic requirements.


Posted by: UphillMercury
There weren't any genetic requirements for S-IIIs.The only requirements were that 1. They were orphans and 2. They wanted revenge against the Covenant.


See above.

If there was ZERO genetic requirements, Ackerson would've had his 1000-some Spartan 3's in beta company. Instead he got 300 or so.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 11:10 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 11:09 AM PDT

I LOVE HALO! Better than any other game.

But I love Halo 3 and Combat Evolved - never got the chance to play Halo 2 :(

I think the Spartan II would win, not an easy win but be able to hold out.

  • 01.08.2012 12:00 PM PDT

XxXD3LuuX3 X luuC1d17YXxX

It depends on the spartans in question honestly.

  • 01.08.2012 12:03 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: zak2014

Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well, I have found the quote that seals the deal on the S-III genetic requirements, as well as hinting on the effects of the augs.

Halo: Glasslands pg 269-270

"Well, you know we didn't select them on the basis of perfect genomes," he said. Halsey had suspended the second tranche of the Spartan program because she'd run out of candidates with the deal genetic profile. She knew he wasn't going to let her forget it. "They were all orphans. No qualification beyond the Covenant slaughtering their entire family. We asked them if they wanted to get their revenge, and we took the ones who said yes." He put his cigar back in his belt pouch, but he was staring right into her face. "We took volunteers. We enhanced them some, but we took whatever we could get, and they turned out fine."
"No filtering at all?" A six-year old couldn't possibly understand combat enough to volunteer, but she didn't want to start a pissing contest with him over ethics, not in front of the Spartans. "Not even genetic screening?"
"You think it's all about genes, Doctor? The Spartans that I trained were made from random, raw, imperfect huumanity. But by God, they were motivated. And that's what it's all about. A state of mind."
Halsey wanted to resist a debate, but if she'd just nodded and smiled it would make him just as angry. "If that were true, then we wouldn't have needed the Spartan program. Exceptional genes create an advantage in any field."


What I get from this:
1)Very little, if any, genetic requirements
2)enhanced them SOME, indicating they did not recieve anywhere close to the effects the S-IIs had

THe excepton of course would be NOBLE Team, as they had S-II genes. I highly doubt, after taking that quote into account, that a regular S-III could even wear MJOLNIR. NOBLE Team could because they got the same effects that the IIs did.


This is new info to me, I haven't read Glasslands, that's why I've been so adamant towards the near perfection of the genes. But didn't Traviss not read any of the novels beforehand?


You are an idiot then for arguing without being up to date even more so because there is evidence in GoO supporting what i have been watering down for you.

  • 01.08.2012 12:07 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
"Tell me about the selection process for the next class of SPARTAN-IIIs," the Vice Admiral asked Kurt.

"Ma'am," Kurt said, "we are operating under Colonel Ackerson's expanded selection criteria, but there are not enough age appropriate genetic matches to meet the larger second-class target number." "There are sufficient genetic matches," Colonel Ackerson corrected. His face was an impassive mask. "What's missing are data to find additional matches. We need to proscribe mandatory genetic screening in the outer colonies. Those untapped populations are"

"That's the last thing we need in the outer colonies," the Rear Admiral said. "We're just getting a handle on a near civil war. You tell an O.C. they got to register their kids' genes, and they'll all be reaching for their rifles." The Vice Admiral steeped her withered hands. "Say it is part of a vaccine program. We take a microscopic sample as we inject the children. Inform no one."

The Rear Admiral looked dubious, but offered no further comment. "Go on. Lieutenant," she said. "We have identified 375 candidates," Kurt said. "Slightly less than we started with for Alpha Company, but we have learned from our mistakes. We will be able to graduate a much higher percentage this time."


Can't really give you a concrete page since I use a digital copy, but it's just after Operation: PROMETHEUS. About page 50.


Too bad newer canon replaces old.

  • 01.08.2012 12:15 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Here is a fun quote for all you "S-IIIs are just as physically capable as S-IIs":

Halo Glasslands pg 206

This was always the moment when Mendez fully appreciated just how different a Spartan-II was from a regular soldier and even from the Spartan-IIIs. He'd seen it hundreds, even thousands of times, but it was still sobering to watch a human being in a power-assisted suit accelerate to nearly sixty kilometers and hour and keep going.

You aren't serious, bud? Are you?

The Spartan IIs had MJONLIR Mk V, and the S-IIIs had SPI. Of course there will be a difference!

  • 01.08.2012 12:19 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
"Tell me about the selection process for the next class of SPARTAN-IIIs," the Vice Admiral asked Kurt.

"Ma'am," Kurt said, "we are operating under Colonel Ackerson's expanded selection criteria, but there are not enough age appropriate genetic matches to meet the larger second-class target number." "There are sufficient genetic matches," Colonel Ackerson corrected. His face was an impassive mask. "What's missing are data to find additional matches. We need to proscribe mandatory genetic screening in the outer colonies. Those untapped populations are"

"That's the last thing we need in the outer colonies," the Rear Admiral said. "We're just getting a handle on a near civil war. You tell an O.C. they got to register their kids' genes, and they'll all be reaching for their rifles." The Vice Admiral steeped her withered hands. "Say it is part of a vaccine program. We take a microscopic sample as we inject the children. Inform no one."

The Rear Admiral looked dubious, but offered no further comment. "Go on. Lieutenant," she said. "We have identified 375 candidates," Kurt said. "Slightly less than we started with for Alpha Company, but we have learned from our mistakes. We will be able to graduate a much higher percentage this time."


Can't really give you a concrete page since I use a digital copy, but it's just after Operation: PROMETHEUS. About page 50.


Too bad newer canon replaces old.


Or this is just another case of Traviss not knowing what the -blam!- she is talking about.

  • 01.08.2012 12:21 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: UphillMercury

Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well, I have found the quote that seals the deal on the S-III genetic requirements, as well as hinting on the effects of the augs.

Halo: Glasslands pg 269-270

"Well, you know we didn't select them on the basis of perfect genomes," he said. Halsey had suspended the second tranche of the Spartan program because she'd run out of candidates with the deal genetic profile. She knew he wasn't going to let her forget it. "They were all orphans. No qualification beyond the Covenant slaughtering their entire family. We asked them if they wanted to get their revenge, and we took the ones who said yes." He put his cigar back in his belt pouch, but he was staring right into her face. "We took volunteers. We enhanced them some, but we took whatever we could get, and they turned out fine."
"No filtering at all?" A six-year old couldn't possibly understand combat enough to volunteer, but she didn't want to start a pissing contest with him over ethics, not in front of the Spartans. "Not even genetic screening?"
"You think it's all about genes, Doctor? The Spartans that I trained were made from random, raw, imperfect huumanity. But by God, they were motivated. And that's what it's all about. A state of mind."
Halsey wanted to resist a debate, but if she'd just nodded and smiled it would make him just as angry. "If that were true, then we wouldn't have needed the Spartan program. Exceptional genes create an advantage in any field."


What I get from this:
1)Very little, if any, genetic requirements
2)enhanced them SOME, indicating they did not recieve anywhere close to the effects the S-IIs had

THe excepton of course would be NOBLE Team, as they had S-II genes. I highly doubt, after taking that quote into account, that a regular S-III could even wear MJOLNIR. NOBLE Team could because they got the same effects that the IIs did.


There weren't any genetic requirements for S-IIIs.The only requirements were that 1. They were orphans and 2. They wanted revenge against the Covenant.

As for the enhancements, when comparing the S-II augmentations to the S-III augmentations, it is clear that the only differences between the two are the fact that the S-IIIs had their frontal lobes altered to increase aggression levels. Project CHRYSANTHEMUM had a 100% success rate because no surgery was involved whatsoever; everything was injected. This allowed for much safer augmentation procedures, while still giving the S-IIIs equivelent augmentations to that of the S-IIS. As for Noble Team, they did not have "S-II genes", but were found to be better soldiers than their comrades, similar to but seperate from the S-III Headhunters. They were also a special operations squad, and as such, were deployed with MJOLNIR variants in lieu of cheap SPI armour in order to improve their effectiveness in the field.


I swear to god that people just straight up ignore things. NOBLE was taken out because the augmentations effected them the same as the S-IIs, BECAUSE THEY HAD THE SAME TYPE OF GENES. THe effects of the augmentation proccess are heavily dpendant on genes. The label for one aug was 300% reaction increase, the S-IIs got roughly a 1400% increase. Know why? BETTER GENES!

As shown by my quote, S-IIIs did not come close to the S-IIs' gene requirements. This would cause the effects of the augmentation to have less of an effect than the S-IIs got. Hence Mendez's notice of how different S-IIs are from the IIIs, and his quote "enhanced them SOME."

Shall we not mention Kurt's letter, in which he says that NOBLE had the markers that would have qualified them for the S-II project? Which PERFECTLY explains why they were specifically taken out, given MJOLNIR, and treated like a S-II squad.

  • 01.08.2012 12:28 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
"Tell me about the selection process for the next class of SPARTAN-IIIs," the Vice Admiral asked Kurt.

"Ma'am," Kurt said, "we are operating under Colonel Ackerson's expanded selection criteria, but there are not enough age appropriate genetic matches to meet the larger second-class target number." "There are sufficient genetic matches," Colonel Ackerson corrected. His face was an impassive mask. "What's missing are data to find additional matches. We need to proscribe mandatory genetic screening in the outer colonies. Those untapped populations are"

"That's the last thing we need in the outer colonies," the Rear Admiral said. "We're just getting a handle on a near civil war. You tell an O.C. they got to register their kids' genes, and they'll all be reaching for their rifles." The Vice Admiral steeped her withered hands. "Say it is part of a vaccine program. We take a microscopic sample as we inject the children. Inform no one."

The Rear Admiral looked dubious, but offered no further comment. "Go on. Lieutenant," she said. "We have identified 375 candidates," Kurt said. "Slightly less than we started with for Alpha Company, but we have learned from our mistakes. We will be able to graduate a much higher percentage this time."


Can't really give you a concrete page since I use a digital copy, but it's just after Operation: PROMETHEUS. About page 50.


Too bad newer canon replaces old.


Or this is just another case of Traviss not knowing what the -blam!- she is talking about.


As much as I dislike some of the things Glasslands threw in, canon is canon, and we cannot just declare some of it non-canon because we don't like it.

  • 01.08.2012 12:30 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: superiorarsenal
As much as I dislike some of the things Glasslands threw in, canon is canon, and we cannot just declare some of it non-canon because we don't like it.


We can if it gets a huge backlash and is unnecessarily stupid like halsey not having more serious injuries.

The info with Ackerson is mentioned in both books and is consistent,thus, no issue. I am not saying that for my own benefit since i forgot that was even brought up in GL.

  • 01.08.2012 12:34 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: superiorarsenal
As much as I dislike some of the things Glasslands threw in, canon is canon, and we cannot just declare some of it non-canon because we don't like it.


Both Ghosts of Onyx and Glasslands are canon, nothing really changes what GoO said. No really, Traviss said she goes into a universe's lore blind, I do not and pretty much refuse to accept the -blam!- Traviss wrote about the IIIs since she admitted to not knowing prior details. It also reflects badly on 343 for allowing this -blam!-.

  • 01.08.2012 12:37 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

The point still stands that the IIIs have nowhere near the requirements of the IIs(Besides NOBLE). Halsey could only find 150 out of 800 planets. Ackerson got close to 1,000 working only with refugees (In total).

And still, Glasslands is canon, as declared by 343, which ultimately has the final word. I hate some of the things Halo: Legends even more than Glasslands did with canon, but I accept it anyways because that's not my call.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 12:51 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 12:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: superiorarsenal
The point still stands that the IIIs have nowhere near the requirements of the IIs(Besides NOBLE). Halsey could only find 150 out of 800 planets. Ackerson got close to 1,000 working only with refugees (In total).

And still, Glasslands is canon, as declared by 343, which ultimately has the final word. I hate some of the things Halo: Legends even more than Glasslands did with canon, but I accept it anyways because that's not my call.


On this, I refuse. All it does is show that the S-IIIs, despite being called super-soldiers, aren't. Yeah they have increased muscle mass, unbreakable bones, increased eyesight prowess and pretty much everything else the S-IIs had...but since Traviss or anyone at 343 seemed to read Ghosts of Onyx, they forgot.

  • 01.08.2012 12:53 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
The point still stands that the IIIs have nowhere near the requirements of the IIs(Besides NOBLE). Halsey could only find 150 out of 800 planets. Ackerson got close to 1,000 working only with refugees (In total).

And still, Glasslands is canon, as declared by 343, which ultimately has the final word. I hate some of the things Halo: Legends even more than Glasslands did with canon, but I accept it anyways because that's not my call.


On this, I refuse. All it does is show that the S-IIIs, despite being called super-soldiers, aren't. Yeah they have increased muscle mass, unbreakable bones, increased eyesight prowess and pretty much everything else the S-IIs had...but since Traviss or anyone at 343 seemed to read Ghosts of Onyx, they forgot.


You expect them to be the same as the IIs, on the sole basis of the same augmentations? The GENES is the determinate of the augmentation process, which the IIIs have less "perfect".

Better genes + Augs = Better effects
Lesser than ^ genes + Augs = Lesser than ^ effects

  • 01.08.2012 1:03 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
The point still stands that the IIIs have nowhere near the requirements of the IIs(Besides NOBLE). Halsey could only find 150 out of 800 planets. Ackerson got close to 1,000 working only with refugees (In total).

And still, Glasslands is canon, as declared by 343, which ultimately has the final word. I hate some of the things Halo: Legends even more than Glasslands did with canon, but I accept it anyways because that's not my call.


On this, I refuse. All it does is show that the S-IIIs, despite being called super-soldiers, aren't. Yeah they have increased muscle mass, unbreakable bones, increased eyesight prowess and pretty much everything else the S-IIs had...but since Traviss or anyone at 343 seemed to read Ghosts of Onyx, they forgot.


You expect them to be the same as the IIs, on the sole basis of the same augmentations? The GENES is the determinate of the augmentation process, which the IIIs have less "perfect".

Better genes + Augs = Better effects
Lesser than ^ genes + Augs = Lesser than ^ effects


Which I call BS on since Olivia sparred with Kelly pretty well before Kelly punched her into a tree when they first met. So yeah, a small S-III who moved fast enough for Kelly to be surprised and managed to block her blows is worse. Wasn't exactly a fair fight either, what with Kelly wearing MJOLNIR.

But it makes me wonder, if a S-III couldn't hurt an old lady, how did they manage to do all of their seemingly impossible missions.

  • 01.08.2012 1:07 PM PDT