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Subject: What gives this guy the right?
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Yea, I feel that. Thankfully it doesn't get so detailed in the stories like star wars EU does.


For all thoes wonder what I'm talking about, Star Wars Extened Universe now copy that, paste it on google, and google it!

  • 05.11.2006 8:53 AM PDT
Subject: The SPARTAN on the trailer is not John...
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Posted by: Great_Pretender
So your reasoning is that s/he has an assault rifle?

What if it isn't an assault rifle? It may be a new gun that just looks like one. I wish people would stop trying to come up with theories when there's only 1 1/2 minutes of footage to analyse.

-TGP-


So you're telling me that we shouldn't be excited and thinking about your product...What are the Halo 3 boards for, if not speculation. We don't know much, and that's the way Bungie intended it, so we are going to try to fill in the gaps. There is nothing wrong with analyzing 1.5 minutes of footage to find hidden meanings, after all, if someone hadn't analyzed 3 minutes of 1 level, we wouldn't have found the Scarab Gun. Everyday someone is analyzing a word in the Bible to find some hidden meaning. We are a community, we're stoked, and we're going to analyze the footage, its all the information we have for the sequel to one of our favorite games.

  • 05.11.2006 8:55 AM PDT
Subject: What gives this guy the right?

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Of course they are different ranks, but if Our chief is a class 1 and the others are a class 2..technically they can be talking about another Spartan (though they probably aren't)

Oh, who is the idiot who said that the books have nothing to do with the games? Bungie helped the authors write them and made sure that they were acurate to their story.

Oh, on the back of the Halo CE box, it also says Pilot any Vehicle
What happened to that?


There are other Spartans alive, you will probably only run into them once or twice (or never) until the Story is concluded, since they want to keep the 'me against the universe' them going while playing the game. But after, we will hopefully get an extra long cutscene (and maybe a short movie about 10 mins long) to help us conclude the Trilogy..



And, the Spartans would be somewhere sle on Earth, since he was with the survivors (minus Kelly) on the ship when they returned to Earth...so they would get off at the same time but be sent all over. Remember, they never say 'there are no more Spartans' while playing, now did they? Read the books. Learn the Story.

  • 05.11.2006 8:59 AM PDT

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[*Please note that anything in my posts is likely to be filled with sarcasm, and should be taken with a pinch of salt. I tend to help people, usually*]

Someone may have mentioned it, but on Gamespot they tell you that the trailer is taken fro a third of the way into the game (see quotation below and Newspost link)

The trailer is set in the African desert, and it was taken from roughly a third of the way through the game.

So I'm pretty sure that those scars and new armour could easily have been given to him by 1/3 of the game.

Master Chief gets my vote. Sadly...

  • 05.11.2006 9:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: MinisterOfApathy
A military rank is considered a common noun in English unless it is followed by a proper title, i.e. Master Chief John. Otherwise, the rank is 'master chief.'


The full rank title is "Master Chief Petty Officer" the next is "Chief Petty officer" Then Petty Officer 1st class, 2nd class, and 3rd.

Just because the SPARTAN II in the video is reffered to as MC, doesn't mean it's John-117, John (due to being unlocatable during the last parts of H2) may be no longer be classed as the MC and the rank passed onto one of the remaining SPARTAN II's

Of course this is all semantics, and I personally think it prabably IS John-117.

  • 05.11.2006 9:04 AM PDT
Subject: The SPARTAN on the trailer is not John...
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Are you serious? Really? Shake your head and think, Please! You really think that the trailer that was show takes place right after the end of Halo 2? That trailer is most likely in the middle of the game. Oviously there will be a fight on earth that the chief will be involved in and most likely all the military bases were hit so the Chief had to grab an old assualt rifle from a museum.

Come on now use your heads people.

  • 05.11.2006 9:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Bluerealm
Are you serious? Really? Shake your head and think, Please! You really think that the trailer that was show takes place right after the end of Halo 2? That trailer is most likely in the middle of the game. Oviously there will be a fight on earth that the chief will be involved in and most likely all the military bases were hit so the Chief had to grab an old assualt rifle from a museum.

Come on now use your heads people.

Museum? Halo 2 doesn't take place that long after Halo, and the story doesn't span much time since the time is warped with the crystal..

..So I'm guessing the Assault rifles are still around, but the places that require higher defense (like places floating in space and major cities) get the newer guns.



Remember, the BR is released and arrives around the time REACH is attacked and blown up..

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  • 05.11.2006 9:08 AM PDT
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1 and a 1/2 minutes? It's scary to think that people here are allowed to reproduce. 1 1/2? It was 2 minutes 25 seconds, LOOK AT THE TOTAL TIME OF THE TRAILER YOU DUM @$$.

  • 05.11.2006 9:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: Great_Pretender
So your reasoning is that s/he has an assault rifle?

What if it isn't an assault rifle? It may be a new gun that just looks like one. I wish people would stop trying to come up with theories when there's only 1 1/2 minutes of footage to analyse.

-TGP-


EXACTLY!!!

I made a thread about this and these nerds came in saying, "j00 loS3r. ThIs iS th3 diffeR3nce betWeen pEopl3 who ge7 Bungi3 and th0se wh0 don'7. Bungi3 puTz thin9z in th3ir trail3rz f0r a reAz0n."

All of these threads about how the convenant ships are "breaking formation" and "firing their boosters in frame 1:22 to attack" are absolutely hysterical!

It's an announcement trailer to build hype, not fanboy analysis and uber l337 fanboy speculation. You guys are reading waaaaaaaaaay too into it.

And how the HELL could it not be the Master Chief? Why would Bungie spend all this time developing the Halo story around John and all of a sudden introduce a new Spartan? People love the Chief and if another Spartan were introduced most people wouldn't accept it because he/she wouldn't have the name "Master Chief". He has a certain cool factor much like Solid Snake from Metal Gear. When the character Raiden was introduced in MGS2, people were like "WTF is this?".

  • 05.11.2006 9:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Bluerealm
Are you serious? Really? Shake your head and think, Please! You really think that the trailer that was show takes place right after the end of Halo 2? That trailer is most likely in the middle of the game. Oviously there will be a fight on earth that the chief will be involved in and most likely all the military bases were hit so the Chief had to grab an old assualt rifle from a museum.

Come on now use your heads people.


You missed one fact mate....can anyone remember, many years back now, that halo 2 ends with MC on a Covenant cruiser....anyone?
Maybe he didn't just jump off at the next stop Earth, maybe we have to play that part :)

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  • 05.11.2006 9:10 AM PDT
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im not too sure about that, the part where the assualt rifle is brought in in Fall of Reach that is, there were Spartan weapons, but you cannot say the Assualt rifle was one of them as every marine has one in Halo 2 had one.

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  • 05.11.2006 9:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: MinisterOfApathy
A military rank is considered a common noun in English unless it is followed by a proper title, i.e. Master Chief John. Otherwise, the rank is 'master chief.'


The full rank title is "Master Chief Petty Officer" the next is "Chief Petty officer" Then Petty Officer 1st class, 2nd class, and 3rd.

Just because the SPARTAN II in the video is reffered to as MC, doesn't mean it's John-117, John (due to being unlocatable during the last parts of H2) may be no longer be classed as the MC and the rank passed onto one of the remaining SPARTAN II's

Of course this is all semantics, and I personally think it prabably IS John-117.


I'm not debating the title of rank, that's irrelevant. It can be "Master Chief Cheese Wedge 105th Bacon." I'm saying that by using the term "Master Chief" with capital letters they are using it as a proper title, or one with familiarity.

  • 05.11.2006 9:13 AM PDT
Subject: The SPARTAN on the trailer is not John...

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Posted by: Great_Pretender
So your reasoning is that s/he has an assault rifle?

What if it isn't an assault rifle? It may be a new gun that just looks like one. I wish people would stop trying to come up with theories when there's only 1 1/2 minutes of footage to analyse.

-TGP-


Well, give us more footage then. ;p

hehe

  • 05.11.2006 9:14 AM PDT

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I remember something about 'SPARTAN Weapon lockers being destroyed"..in "The Flood" I believe...

Maybe there WERE BRs on the ship, and they only had enough for Spartans or something...You never know - The POA was meant to go on a special op and the new weapons would certainly help.

Plus the BR cam to REACH before it was attacked..

  • 05.11.2006 9:15 AM PDT
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* Microsoft says that is MC.
* Bungie says that it is MC.
* The Spartans from the books do not exist in the game
* On the storyboards, the captions include the word "Chief".

The Spartan in the trailer was the Master Chief!

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  • 05.11.2006 9:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: bat5280

* The Spartans from the books do not exist in the game



Meh. the other points are fine but just because we haven't seen the others doesn't mean they don't exist.

I mean, think, it will be hard to not mention them at all in Halo 3 now that they are letting Eric Nylund write another 1-3 novels...

  • 05.11.2006 9:23 AM PDT
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OMYGOD, are you serious? Can you remember the end of Halo 2? I guess not. The last conversation with the MC he was talking to an Admiral on EARTH, you could SEE EARTH in the BACKGROUND.

Honestly how did your parents even figure out how to reproduce.

  • 05.11.2006 9:23 AM PDT
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  • 05.11.2006 9:28 AM PDT

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I doubt hat they will end the halo series and not have kelly come back or at least explain what happened to here and Dr. Halsey. she is probobly going to be in Halo 3 or the next Novel.


Well, the novel and the game storylines arn't the same, so Lelly probably won't appear in Halo 3. Her and Dr. Halsey will probably be in the new novels though.

  • 05.11.2006 9:31 AM PDT
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR BIT OF ADVERTISING. SADLY THE CAPS MAKE ME NOT WANT TO WATCH ON PRINCIPLE!

sorry bout that... hey guys. it's cleared up. It's just like that whole "sword vs. source" thread. It's done, confirmed, go find a dust particle that looks like the number seven and come back here and argue about it. Anything new, I dont care. Just shut up about this. Jebus...

  • 05.11.2006 9:31 AM PDT
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why would cortana be talking to one of the other spartans if she was never with any of them

  • 05.11.2006 9:33 AM PDT

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How can they have a better trailer than Bungie if Bungie made it?

And take Caps off.

  • 05.11.2006 9:35 AM PDT
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the trailer is 1/3 of the way through the game

there are 7 (not includeing the ones not combat suitable like "fhajad" i think)

kellys off with dr hasley
fred linda and will are some where
john was left in the forerunner ship last
and there were 2 who were to far away to gather at reach for the mission to board a covie craft and steal it.

the 2 spartans who were to far away to gather at reach for the mission to board a covie ship means it could be one of them

fred was the one who recieved the enhanced gloves

its not linda cuz if it was she being carrying her customized sniper

they all could of gotten new armor

especialy kelly who is with hasley one of the main creators of the mjolnir armor they could of gonew off and gotten the MarkXII

the spartans are almost identical while in there armor and only the spartans and dr hasley could tell them apart

it could be kelly seeing as how her and hasley left on a ship used by old rebells on the asteroid they had attacked over 25 years before. the rebels wouldnt of gotten BRs by the time they had arrived in there hybrid gettysberg/acendent justice ship. basicly the weopons on the ship they stole would be ARs and other older weopons and the SMGs hasley took with her

all the mjolnir armor was the olive green brown color so who ever it is is covered in dust

it could be the Spartan III's that mendez went to train. its been a little bit so i dont remember the date when he left but the III's probly started at age 7 and i think mendez left 25?10? years before halo:CE making the III's at least as old as the II's were when they went on there first mission infiltrateing the rebel base they went back to in first strike.

or it could be the origenal spartans that who were made in 2507? i belive

and to the guy who talked bout the halo:ce manuel it said master chief was last of his kind is because when they fled reach the planet was being glassed while most of the spartans were on the surface an un survivable situation. and linda had her head leg and chest blown open stuffed in a cyro tube.


ive read the books 7 times each and are the only books i do book reports on and often open to a random page and read a little for fun. also ive beat games many times and pay close attention to cinematic sequences.

i offer no opinion on who it is being that i know if it isnt master chief that bungie has said something in there explanation of the trailer that is so incredebly unnoticable but tells us exactly who it is like how they say chief with out the master like someone noted

also we know of bungies treachery like the were not working on halo 3 thing in the past which means basicaly this trailer was meant for us to do just this argue and make 85 pages of topics in 2 days

ill let u guys suck that poorly written essay up and write some new stuff for me to correct, note, discredit, agree and add to


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  • 05.11.2006 9:35 AM PDT
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Exactly, Just because you dont see the other Spartans dosent mean they aint there, The books DO go with the game, seriously read them. The only reason First Strike dosent exactly go along with Halo 2 is because Halo 2 was changed remeber? First Strike was finished BEFORE Halo 2 but like I said the game was changed.

Please people buy and READ the books not only do they give exellent info, they are a joy to read.

If you do you'll know where Dr. Halsey went and why.

  • 05.11.2006 9:37 AM PDT
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yes... but people are saying that the guy in the teaser isn't john. that's wrong. period. I dont care about how many more spartans are alive, and how many are dead, how many are having goat babies, or how many are on vacation.

the one in the teaser is john. that's what this whole thread was about. or rather, what it wasn't about until we corrected the guy... or rather (again) we keep trying to correct the several guys that for some reason still think it's not john.

  • 05.11.2006 9:53 AM PDT