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The next game could have rpg or MMORPG elements.

  • 01.01.2012 6:39 PM PDT

Hopefully if it does turn out to be for an fpsmmo, then for once in an mmo there might actually be a solid purpose for money.

In most mmo's that I have played, all the items you can buy and all the other items you can buy are always equivalent or worse than items you can just find in the rest game world rendering the money you have obtained useless.

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  • 01.01.2012 7:21 PM PDT
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Economic designer is needed for their next step towards world domination.

  • 01.01.2012 7:43 PM PDT

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Interesting.

Bungie, I request moar. I'm not in the mood to demand just yet.

Agreed.

  • 01.01.2012 7:50 PM PDT

So, did they previously say they only had one Mission Designer? If not, then the possibility is still there that there are Mission Designers working on the next game. Unless I missed something in this thread, I'm going to assume they are utilizing both.

  • 01.01.2012 7:56 PM PDT
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Cool stuff and a good read, can't wait to see what they have in store.

  • 01.01.2012 7:58 PM PDT

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It's not that the removed people (unless we don't know) but they removed the position. "Mission Designer" no longer exists. It could be possible from what little evidence I have.

This was mainly an idea to see what the possibility is for their next game genre. So many pieces of the puzzle!
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So, did they previously say they only had one Mission Designer? If not, then the possibility is still there that there are Mission Designers working on the next game. Unless I missed something in this thread, I'm going to assume they are utilizing both.

  • 01.01.2012 8:01 PM PDT


Posted by: spawn031
It's not that the removed people (unless we don't know) but they removed the position. "Mission Designer" no longer exists. It could be possible from what little evidence I have.

This was mainly an idea to see what the possibility is for their next game genre. So many pieces of the puzzle!
Posted by: ECOH Cam
So, did they previously say they only had one Mission Designer? If not, then the possibility is still there that there are Mission Designers working on the next game. Unless I missed something in this thread, I'm going to assume they are utilizing both.
Thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate it.

  • 01.01.2012 8:05 PM PDT

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Personally I think nearly every game has had an "Economic Designer" of sorts in more recent memory. Being an Economics Major (woot woot I graduate soon!), I tend to like looking at the various economic systems in games and a lot of them could use some work.

The franchise with one of the largest in-game economies that comes to mind is the Assassin's Creed franchise. Introduced in ACII, the economic system has developed quite a bit since. The point of the monetary system in any game is to drive the individual to work toward something, but not aggravate the player with an impossible goal.

Now, MMO's too are famous for this and tend to rely on free markets where players select prices and sell goods on an auction house similar to ebay. BUT, this all had to be predicted at one point. Between testers and the guy in charge of the economic system, they establish, probably though some nifty data collection, about when people will achieve things in their game progress and try to predict how things will sell based on drop rates. It is why drop rates alter.

People complain that the Assassin's Creed economic system rewards you too much with vast amounts of money readily available and little to purchase. It is quite the contrary, but few people feel that some purchased items in AC offer enough of an reward. Why buy a monument in those titles when it offers you no real tangible reward to play with? People prefer to just snag the weapons they want.

I'm interested in the Economic Designer position at Bungie as far as what it will mean for the rest of the industry. It is a step toward trying to actively establishing better reward systems while simultaneously driving players to keep on playing day after day. The right man or woman in the job could make a really effective in-game system of rewards and a strong work ethic amidst its players.

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  • 01.01.2012 8:19 PM PDT

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Yeah... I don't think Bungie would want an American Economist, you Americans don't really know how money works.

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Maybe Bungie's game will focus a lot on money?

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  • 01.01.2012 8:56 PM PDT
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Yeah... I don't think Bungie would want an American Economist, you Americans don't really know how money works.
Pff. Plenty of fine economists from America. You just need to weed out the dodgy ones.
Just ask them what they think about Real Business Cycles. If they laugh in your face, they're hired.

Reading the job advert, I'd suggest reading up on the work of Kahneman (American, if memory serves). Looks like whoever they get is going to have derived a lot from his work on rationality, so getting to know their playbook should make things a bit easier.

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  • 01.01.2012 9:04 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie looks for Economy Designer - future project related?

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It's quite obvious what Bungie is doing if you think about it. Look at job listings and you'll figure it out.

And I for one, having playing "Galaxy on Fire 2" and "Warpgate" on iOS, I really hope it's going to be what I think it is.

  • 01.01.2012 9:12 PM PDT
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I smell impeding gold text.

  • 01.01.2012 9:33 PM PDT

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I like were this is going.

  • 01.01.2012 9:42 PM PDT

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Being an Economics Major
I smell impeding gold text.

  • 01.02.2012 5:54 AM PDT

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Doubtful, but it would be awesome.

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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Being an Economics Major
I smell impeding gold text.


Could be a great possible job path. I hear Bungie gives you a 401k and free Bagels.

  • 01.02.2012 5:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: RigZ Boi
Doubtful, but it would be awesome.

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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Being an Economics Major
I smell impeding gold text.


Could be a great possible job path. I hear Bungie gives you a 401k and free Bagels.

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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
Personally I think nearly every game has had an "Economic Designer" of sorts in more recent memory.
You're right about that, but how many linear games can you think of that have in-game trade or put a focus on player wealth?

Every linear-game economy I can recall is just far too simple to hire an economy major for. All I can really think of are weapon upgrade systems, which usually amount to "Buy X when you have enough money." This almost seems to confirm that their next game will be open world.

  • 01.02.2012 6:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
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Yea, if in fact they are trying to design an in-game economy, that means price changes, and the only type of game that has price changes is an RPG, and, even more likely, an MMORPG.

  • 01.02.2012 7:02 AM PDT

It's the economy, stupid! Drive players to invest in our game economy by analyzing the subtleties of behavioral economics and pondering the pitfalls of specialization and free trade. Theorize why people make irrational economic choices and use the tricks you've learned to ensure players only make the irrational choices you want them to. Create an economic system that will fulfill a player's needs just as much as shooting an alien in the face.

The Economy Designer at Bungie will develop a robust and rewarding game economy that drives player behavior toward intended goals and validate those systems through intense simulation, testing and iteration. You'll design the systems and mechanics which drive in-game trade, satisfy the players' need for possessions and wealth whilst ensuring rewards retain their intended value despite attempts to exploit or grief the system. You will determine what data is necessary to mine, ensure we have all of the hooks necessary to gather that data, and come up with all of the interesting metrics and questions we should ask of that data. You will run simulations of these mechanics based on expected player behavior and test these simulated results against actual player behavior; tuning the live system accordingly.


Taken directly from the Bungie Jobs page, I think the second paragraph sheds a lot of light on what we are to expect from Bungie in their next game.

  • 01.04.2012 3:12 PM PDT

Don't you see? It means step 7 is close to fruition, and they're already preparing necessary roles for when the world is in their grasp. You can't run a world government without some system of economy.

  • 01.04.2012 5:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
RPG!
Oh I get it.

  • 01.04.2012 5:55 PM PDT
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For the record, that Economy Designer job listing has been up on Bungie.net for about five months. :)

Men, this guy is on his game.


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  • 02.07.2012 5:47 PM PDT
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I pretty sure Bungie is only looking for economic designers to perform certain rituals.

The normal designers are getting too costly now-a-days.

  • 02.07.2012 6:23 PM PDT

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