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Subject: Is Reach the most casual of all Halos?

Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: SRQ baller24
play against good people in the mlg playlist.
MLG is the only place where there is a skill gap.
I remember beating you in Squad Slayer. It was all luck though since there was no sklil gap.

  • 01.01.2012 10:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: SRQ baller24
Go play arena at high level onyx and then say it is easy.
It is easy.

yeah, when you are one of the better teams in it. Halo 3 team slayer was easy at level 50 when you play with the better team all the time.

However, to most people on this forum, they would get destroyed.

  • 01.01.2012 10:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: SRQ baller24
Go play arena at high level onyx and then say it is easy.
It is easy.

yeah, when you are one of the better teams in it. Halo 3 team slayer was easy at level 50 when you play with the better team all the time.

However, to most people on this forum, they would get destroyed.


I searched in parties of two and landed 8% Onyx with a 2.0 K/D ratio...
Sure, not everyone on this forum could do that but that's not what we're talking about. When discussing whether or not a game is casual, one must look at the competitive merits it possesses.

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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Team Slayer in the 40-45, because no one around a 46 was legit in 06, Team Hardcore (MLG) Lolz here, but Snipers, etc.
Idk

Halo 2 has AR starts while Reach has jetpack/awful map selection/imbalanced starting spawns/etc so Halo 2 gets TS. Reach gets MLG though because of the single-shot DMR that's perfectly accurate and perfectly symmetrical maps. Reach definitely gets snipers because lol sweep sniping in Halo 2.


I'm going to assume you meant SMG. I'm pretty sure they started introducing BR starts in TS after time.

Hmm, MLG. Its tough to call for me atleast. I found dominante players proved it. Then again there hasn't been a ZB event, so I'll agree there.

But other playlists as well. Obj, BTB, Clan match(Minor/Major)

  • 01.01.2012 10:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Viper Skills

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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: SRQ baller24
Go play arena at high level onyx and then say it is easy.
It is easy.

yeah, when you are one of the better teams in it. Halo 3 team slayer was easy at level 50 when you play with the better team all the time.

However, to most people on this forum, they would get destroyed.


I searched in parties of two and landed 8% Onyx with a 2.0 K/D ratio...
Sure, not everyone on this forum could do that but that's not what we're talking about. When discussing whether or not a game is casual, one must look at the competitive merits it possesses.

that is exactly where I was at when I just went in with one of my friends. However in the last two seasons, I just can't find a match.

However, most people are basing there opinions solely off of non-ranked playlists. They should play arena and see how much they actually suck.

[Edited on 01.01.2012 10:32 PM PST]

  • 01.01.2012 10:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: SRQ baller24
However in the last two seasons, I just can't find a match.


Because Arena has no one searching it. Halo 3 ranked Team Slayer is more popular STILL. That, my friends, is a red flag worth examining. And damn has it been analyzed to death...

  • 01.01.2012 10:33 PM PDT

THATS MY COOL MAN I CAN'T TAKE IT OFF!

Posted by: LordMonkey
I believe Halo: CE was more casual than Reach.


Probably the single dumbest statement I've ever read on bnet.

Pants-on-head retarded would be an improvement.

  • 01.01.2012 10:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Team Slayer in the 40-45, because no one around a 46 was legit in 06, Team Hardcore (MLG) Lolz here, but Snipers, etc.
Idk

Halo 2 has AR starts while Reach has jetpack/awful map selection/imbalanced starting spawns/etc so Halo 2 gets TS. Reach gets MLG though because of the single-shot DMR that's perfectly accurate and perfectly symmetrical maps. Reach definitely gets snipers because lol sweep sniping in Halo 2.


I'm going to assume you meant SMG. I'm pretty sure they started introducing BR starts in TS after time.

Hmm, MLG. Its tough to call for me atleast. I found dominante players proved it. Then again there hasn't been a ZB event, so I'll agree there.

But other playlists as well. Obj, BTB, Clan match(Minor/Major)

lol oops I meant SMG starts

And yeah, Halo 2 gets objective/btb/and clan match. You can't even juggle the damn objective in Reach and it's way too slow and boring. Not being able to juggle combined with the fact that the enemy team can sprint off of spawn makes for one frustrating flag run. The DMR's 3x scope and perfect accuracy ruins BTB as well.

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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Team Slayer in the 40-45, because no one around a 46 was legit in 06, Team Hardcore (MLG) Lolz here, but Snipers, etc.
Idk

Halo 2 has AR starts while Reach has jetpack/awful map selection/imbalanced starting spawns/etc so Halo 2 gets TS. Reach gets MLG though because of the single-shot DMR that's perfectly accurate and perfectly symmetrical maps. Reach definitely gets snipers because lol sweep sniping in Halo 2.


I'm going to assume you meant SMG. I'm pretty sure they started introducing BR starts in TS after time.

Hmm, MLG. Its tough to call for me atleast. I found dominante players proved it. Then again there hasn't been a ZB event, so I'll agree there.

But other playlists as well. Obj, BTB, Clan match(Minor/Major)

lol oops I meant SMG starts

And yeah, Halo 2 gets objective/btb/and clan match. You can't even juggle the damn objective in Reach and it's way too slow and boring. Not being able to juggle combined with the fact that the enemy team can sprint off of spawn makes for one frustrating flag run. The DMR's 3x scope and perfect accuracy ruins BTB as well.


That combined with the maps. Especially for BTB.

Though Halo 2 OBJ/BTB/Clan had one awesome flaw.

Handicaps. Being able to launch your teammate on maps with the bomb was awesome.

  • 01.01.2012 10:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: SRQ baller24
However in the last two seasons, I just can't find a match.


Because Arena has no one searching it. Halo 3 ranked Team Slayer is more popular STILL. That, my friends, is a red flag worth examining. And damn has it been analyzed to death...

imo, people are just too obsessed with obtaining a number that didn't really signify much. I personally think that people would enjoy arena if there was a lot more people in the playlist.

  • 01.01.2012 10:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Iron Div is Pro

Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Team Slayer in the 40-45, because no one around a 46 was legit in 06, Team Hardcore (MLG) Lolz here, but Snipers, etc.
Idk

Halo 2 has AR starts while Reach has jetpack/awful map selection/imbalanced starting spawns/etc so Halo 2 gets TS. Reach gets MLG though because of the single-shot DMR that's perfectly accurate and perfectly symmetrical maps. Reach definitely gets snipers because lol sweep sniping in Halo 2.


I'm going to assume you meant SMG. I'm pretty sure they started introducing BR starts in TS after time.

Hmm, MLG. Its tough to call for me atleast. I found dominante players proved it. Then again there hasn't been a ZB event, so I'll agree there.

But other playlists as well. Obj, BTB, Clan match(Minor/Major)

lol oops I meant SMG starts

And yeah, Halo 2 gets objective/btb/and clan match. You can't even juggle the damn objective in Reach and it's way too slow and boring. Not being able to juggle combined with the fact that the enemy team can sprint off of spawn makes for one frustrating flag run. The DMR's 3x scope and perfect accuracy ruins BTB as well.


That combined with the maps. Especially for BTB.

Though Halo 2 OBJ/BTB/Clan had one awesome flaw.

Handicaps. Being able to launch your teammate on maps with the bomb was awesome.

I'm just going to throw this out there

Halo 2 host advantage and netcode=crap compared to what we have with Reach. This is a huge factor when determining how competitive a game is.

  • 01.01.2012 10:38 PM PDT

Posted by: SRQ baller24
Posted by: Viper Skills
Posted by: SRQ baller24
However in the last two seasons, I just can't find a match.

Because Arena has no one searching it. Halo 3 ranked Team Slayer is more popular STILL. That, my friends, is a red flag worth examining. And damn has it been analyzed to death...

imo, people are just too obsessed with obtaining a number that didn't really signify much. I personally think that people would enjoy arena if there was a lot more people in the playlist.
I can never enjoy the Arena until they remove the jetpack, uncaged, countdown, reflection, sword base, powerhouse, and asylum.

  • 01.01.2012 10:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: SRQ baller24
Posted by: Viper Skills
Posted by: SRQ baller24
However in the last two seasons, I just can't find a match.

Because Arena has no one searching it. Halo 3 ranked Team Slayer is more popular STILL. That, my friends, is a red flag worth examining. And damn has it been analyzed to death...

imo, people are just too obsessed with obtaining a number that didn't really signify much. I personally think that people would enjoy arena if there was a lot more people in the playlist.
I can never enjoy the Arena until they remove the jetpack, uncaged, countdown, reflection, sword base, powerhouse, and asylum.

I love powerhouse and asylum. However, I do agree with the jetpack flaws.

  • 01.01.2012 10:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Team Slayer in the 40-45, because no one around a 46 was legit in 06, Team Hardcore (MLG) Lolz here, but Snipers, etc.[/quote]Idk

Halo 2 has AR starts while Reach has jetpack/awful map selection/imbalanced starting spawns/etc so Halo 2 gets TS. Reach gets MLG though because of the single-shot DMR that's perfectly accurate and perfectly symmetrical maps. Reach definitely gets snipers because lol sweep sniping in Halo 2.[/quote]

I'm going to assume you meant SMG. I'm pretty sure they started introducing BR starts in TS after time.

Hmm, MLG. Its tough to call for me atleast. I found dominante players proved it. Then again there hasn't been a ZB event, so I'll agree there.

But other playlists as well. Obj, BTB, Clan match(Minor/Major)[/quote]
lol oops I meant SMG starts

And yeah, Halo 2 gets objective/btb/and clan match. You can't even juggle the damn objective in Reach and it's way too slow and boring. Not being able to juggle combined with the fact that the enemy team can sprint off of spawn makes for one frustrating flag run. The DMR's 3x scope and perfect accuracy ruins BTB as well.[/quote]

That combined with the maps. Especially for BTB.

Though Halo 2 OBJ/BTB/Clan had one awesome flaw.

Handicaps. Being able to launch your teammate on maps with the bomb was awesome.

I'm just going to throw this out there

Halo 2 host advantage and netcode=crap compared to what we have with Reach. This is a huge factor when determining how competitive a game is.


Oh no doubt. As much as a Halo 2 fanboy as I am I won't deny that.

  • 01.01.2012 10:41 PM PDT

Posted by: SRQ baller24
Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: SRQ baller24
Posted by: Viper Skills
Posted by: SRQ baller24
However in the last two seasons, I just can't find a match.

Because Arena has no one searching it. Halo 3 ranked Team Slayer is more popular STILL. That, my friends, is a red flag worth examining. And damn has it been analyzed to death...

imo, people are just too obsessed with obtaining a number that didn't really signify much. I personally think that people would enjoy arena if there was a lot more people in the playlist.
I can never enjoy the Arena until they remove the jetpack, uncaged, countdown, reflection, sword base, powerhouse, and asylum.

I love powerhouse and asylum. However, I do agree with the jetpack flaws.

The spawns on powerhouse and asylum ruin it for me.

On red team powerhouse, I'll kill several people trying to jetpack off the start and they'll literally spawn right behind me at rock garden. It's so bogus. That's happened on more than one occasion too and it makes me really hate that map.

On Asylum, red team can spawn on blue jump rock and blue bon while blue team can spawn in red court. It's really stupid for the team that lost map control to be rewarded with spawning in the perfect flanking position.

  • 01.01.2012 10:44 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

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Posted by: Plunderfuq
After a tremendous amount of work I have found an acceptable player that meets every one of the criteria compiled via community input. I have checked and rechecked the stats involved and can attest to the validity of all statements and information contained within the findings.

SurficialZeus43 Tabulation for K/D and W/L for first 100 games= 712 kills, 717 deaths giving a K/D of .99. Total wins 41 with game losses at 59.

Plunderfull Tabulation for K/D and W/L for first 100 games= 854 kills, 846 deaths giving a K/D of 1.01. Total wins 56 with game losses 44.

You must be -blam!- with me. The grand sum of your "tremendous" amount of work was to pick your own two accounts?

There is no middle finger big enough.

with far more wins in Halo 3 over Reach.
I don't know where you went to school, but I learnt this thing called the base 10 decimal system, where 41 is not "far more" than 56.

  • 01.01.2012 10:44 PM PDT

Harass the harassers.


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Posted by: boomdeyadah
Reach is the easiest (most casual friendly, so to speak) Halo.

My service records give enough proof. I'm legit trash in Halo 3, but I can stand my ground in Reach.

maybe you just got better?

As my stats are relatively the same as halo 3.
I was wondering if you played CE and 2 prior to Halo 3?

yep, been playing since CE
Me too,played a ton of CE, played a BLAM! load of 2 till about a year after release, totally missed Halo 3 in its prime D=, but played the 117 games represented by the SurficialZues43 gamertag then returned in full force to Reach a couple months after release and going strong.

The point being is for players that have been around for a long time, we may have found out what the ceiling for our own personel skill and learning curve can produce.

Without checking your stats, I can only assume you are far above average after playing basicly the same game for a decade. Reach and the mechanics contained within have not stopped dedicated gamers at all, those that play alot are rewarded with murderous ability, AA or not.

  • 01.01.2012 10:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sentox6
Posted by: Plunderfuq
After a tremendous amount of work I have found an acceptable player that meets every one of the criteria compiled via community input. I have checked and rechecked the stats involved and can attest to the validity of all statements and information contained within the findings.

SurficialZeus43 Tabulation for K/D and W/L for first 100 games= 712 kills, 717 deaths giving a K/D of .99. Total wins 41 with game losses at 59.

Plunderfull Tabulation for K/D and W/L for first 100 games= 854 kills, 846 deaths giving a K/D of 1.01. Total wins 56 with game losses 44.

You must be -blam!- with me. The grand sum of your "tremendous" amount of work was to pick your own two accounts?

There is no middle finger big enough.

with far more wins in Halo 3 over Reach.
I don't know where you went to school, but I learnt this thing called the base 10 decimal system, where 41 is not "far more" than 56.


This is pretty much what I wanted to say, exactly. OP's "hard proof" is to use his own two gamertags. His Halo 3 tag, he played last year, January 2011, so it wasn't even proper Halo 3.

Providing one point of data to claim fact is like saying "Oh, the brakes failed on my car, so all brakes everywhere must be faulty". Science doesn't work like that, buddy.

Also, OP's retarded. He's retarded over at the 343 forums and he's retarded here.

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I would say Halo 2 was much more casual.

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Posted by: Duardo
I would say Halo 2 was much more casual.


despite H2 having more aim assist, and easier to use weapons, it had a much higher skill gap, which led to much higher competition.

  • 01.01.2012 10:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I would say Halo 2 was much more casual.
Hence why it was so incredibly popular and why it became a killer app.

  • 01.01.2012 10:55 PM PDT


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Posted by: boomdeyadah
Reach is the easiest (most casual friendly, so to speak) Halo.

My service records give enough proof. I'm legit trash in Halo 3, but I can stand my ground in Reach.

maybe you just got better?

As my stats are relatively the same as halo 3.
I was wondering if you played CE and 2 prior to Halo 3?

yep, been playing since CE
Me too,played a ton of CE, played a BLAM! load of 2 till about a year after release, totally missed Halo 3 in its prime D=, but played the 117 games represented by the SurficialZues43 gamertag then returned in full force to Reach a couple months after release and going strong.

The point being is for players that have been around for a long time, we may have found out what the ceiling for our own personel skill and learning curve can produce.

Without checking your stats, I can only assume you are far above average after playing basicly the same game for a decade. Reach and the mechanics contained within have not stopped dedicated gamers at all, those that play alot are rewarded with murderous ability, AA or not.

As far as stats go, I consider mine decent. However, I have a very aggressive playstyle. If I truly wanted an ub3r l337 k/d like what some of the people on this forum seem so proud of, then I would. However, it would just get boring to me. I am always trying new strategies for the hell of it.

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Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: Duardo
I would say Halo 2 was much more casual.
Hence why it was so incredibly popular and why it became a killer app.


That, and it being "The next Halo game" combined with XBL support.

I guess it really depends on hows its played.

  • 01.01.2012 10:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
it really depends on hows its played.

  • 01.01.2012 10:58 PM PDT

Harass the harassers.


Posted by: Sentox6
You must be -blam!- with me. The grand sum of your "tremendous" amount of work was to pick your own two accounts?

There is no middle finger big enough.
After the qualifications were set by the competitive community, it became clear that without firsthand knowledge of the subject it would be almost impossible to verify if the person was in fact a casual. As is the norm, besides opinion, the competitive players could provide zero examples, perhaps you can change that and present one.

I don't know where you went to school, but I learnt this thing called the base 10 decimal system, where 41 is not "far more" than 56.Forgive my error, it has been corrected to reflect what I meant according to the findings. If there are any other errors or somthing you find to be incorrect, feel free to point it out.

  • 01.01.2012 11:01 PM PDT