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Subject: Am i The only one who thinks 343 Industries is going to Do a good Job?

In my opinion 343 is going to bring out Halo in an all new way, i mean people just dont really see it, Halo ODST was JUST for the campaign and it was extremely different, The Musical Score was just ridiculously different and amazing, And the gameplay was really different. 343 Industries hasnt had their spotlight moment yet, I promise though 343 is going to make Halo 4 the best one yet. Hopefully they can delve into a REALLY good story and Build on the Characters they have in Halo, Because thats what makes a good game memorable not the gameplay that we all get bored of after awhile. I wanna get to know the Master Chief as a Human, and what the war has done to him deep down inside. I mean theres so much 343 industries can really do with the Halo Universe and so many stories to be told, Especially a Sangheili story.

  • 01.01.2012 10:00 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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  • 01.01.2012 10:02 PM PDT
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It's just people giving out opinions...

  • 01.01.2012 10:12 PM PDT

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If 343 plays off some of Crpytum's fiction (and does it well) the future of Halo will be great.

  • 01.01.2012 10:26 PM PDT

It is in my opinion that 343 is in a bad spot right now I was a little on edge when I heard that they in charge, of HALO CE Ann. but I still bought it then night it came out into stores and was really quiet satisfied with it. To Me it play like a new game even thought its the same story as 10 years ago and i really didnt get into HALO back than but when HALO 3 came out it all started I was Hooked and I went and bought HALO 1 & 2 and know I am a Very Big FAN of the game every since. In my opinion the good members of the HALO Community will have to just sit back and see where they Master Chief in his new Story, and I agree I thought that HALO ODST was A VERY GOOD game when it was thought all it was supposed to be was a small ad-on. So in the end I look forward to the bright Future Of HALO with the promise of Halo 4 this next Christmas and I expect there to be A HALO 2 Ann. in the coming future as well. SO with that ill say nothing adventure nothing gained....... will just have to wait and see my fellow SPARTAN. See you on the battle field.

  • 01.01.2012 10:42 PM PDT


Posted by: orphan

Although, what I've heard from them has made me uneasy... One employee said "We've seen the things CoD has done, and we think we can do them much, much better". I thought you were going back to the roots of Halo...?


When did they say this?

I think 343i will do a great job.

  • 01.01.2012 11:02 PM PDT

In the lore aspects I think they are doing a much better job but the truth will be shown when Halo 4 is released

  • 01.01.2012 11:05 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Only time will tell, but for now, I don't like the direction they are taking Halo to.

  • 01.01.2012 11:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: MrFunnyNachos
In my opinion 343 is going to bring out Halo in an all new way, i mean people just dont really see it, Halo ODST was JUST for the campaign and it was extremely different, The Musical Score was just ridiculously different and amazing, And the gameplay was really different. 343 Industries hasnt had their spotlight moment yet, I promise though 343 is going to make Halo 4 the best one yet. Hopefully they can delve into a REALLY good story and Build on the Characters they have in Halo, Because thats what makes a good game memorable not the gameplay that we all get bored of after awhile. I wanna get to know the Master Chief as a Human, and what the war has done to him deep down inside. I mean theres so much 343 industries can really do with the Halo Universe and so many stories to be told, Especially a Sangheili story.

  • 01.02.2012 12:38 AM PDT

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I disagree with the, OP. 343 are going to do a great job.

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  • 01.02.2012 5:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: orphan
Although, what I've heard from them has made me uneasy... One employee said "We've seen the things CoD has done, and we think we can do them much, much better". I thought you were going back to the roots of Halo...?


Except we don't know what that means, Frankie probably wasn't talking about gameplay at all could have been referring to any other aspect that COD has pulled off well - things like emblem customisation and whatnot.

People are too quick to assume when they hear things like this.

  • 01.02.2012 5:29 AM PDT

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I agree with what, ajw said.

May I add, 343 can still go back to the roots of Halo, while bringing some Call of Duty elements in to the franchise. Frank's quote could have meant anything to do with CoD, from something as massive as using the same core multiplayer values, or something as small as being able to cutsomize an emblem.

For all we know, what Frankie said could have just been something to capture the attention of a new potential audience, and to keep people interested in the game.

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Posted by: orphan
Although, what I've heard from them has made me uneasy... One employee said "We've seen the things CoD has done, and we think we can do them much, much better". I thought you were going back to the roots of Halo...?


Except we don't know what that means, Frankie probably wasn't talking about gameplay at all could have been referring to any other aspect that COD has pulled off well - things like emblem customisation and whatnot.

People are too quick to assume when they hear things like this.

  • 01.02.2012 5:37 AM PDT

I thought they mentioned COD with regards to story, and by that I assume they were targeting beautifully executed narrative moments such as the memorable nuke aftermath.

  • 01.02.2012 5:51 AM PDT


Posted by: NAStheMagiking
I thought they mentioned COD with regards to story


The day Halo cites CoD as an aspiration for story is the day I leave the franchise behind forever. That's not what they meant. On topic, I think they'll do a good job and possibly a better one than Bungie; they're really focusing on the deeper lore, and it seems Halo 4 will expand beyond the rather shallow plots of the trilogy.

  • 01.02.2012 5:57 AM PDT

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I'm reserving my judgement until I have the benefit of hindsight.

;)

I don't want to jump on the 343i hate train just yet, but they've approved of several things that make me uneasy.

- The Halo Encyclopedia was utter trash; the damn thing was nothing more than a collection of compiled game manuals, and even that is being generous. There were enough blatant errors to make one question whether there was any oversight on that project at all.

- Halo: Bloodline should be disowned, as should Fred Van Lente.

- Legends sucked. Sure, the animators were given creative freedom, but they took it too far and butchered the project.

That being said, those things weren't actually made by 343i, just approved by them. It doesn't say anything about their capacity for making something decent, but it sure as hell makes me question their judgement.

On the plus side, I found Glasslands, Evolutions, Cryptum, and all of the Evolutions-based motion comics to be great. I also really appreciate the effort they've made to tie up the loose ends left by Reach.

However, again, none of those were a collective effort by the 343 team.

So what do we really have at this point that was created by 343i? If I recall correctly, the task of re-rendering CEA was outsourced. Even then, it's not as if they built the game from the ground up. Bungie built that ride; whoever did CEA just applied a new coat of paint.

So in conclusion, aside from a few moves that put my confidence in their decision-making (regarding outsourced materials/projects) at around 50/50, what have we actually seen that was a product of 343 Industries?

At this point, all they've really done is play middle-man.

[Edited on 01.02.2012 6:05 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2012 6:04 AM PDT

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What are you thoughts on Halo CEA's terminals?

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  • 01.02.2012 6:11 AM PDT


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Posted by: NAStheMagiking
I thought they mentioned COD with regards to story


The day Halo cites CoD as an aspiration for story is the day I leave the franchise behind forever. That's not what they meant. On topic, I think they'll do a good job and possibly a better one than Bungie; they're really focusing on the deeper lore, and it seems Halo 4 will expand beyond the rather shallow plots of the trilogy.
Did you not read the whole post? I clearly gave an example of what I meant by that statement. COD may not be the best for actual stories, but you can't deny they execute things very well, immersing the player in specific events (such as the aforementioned nuke scene). I also like that they don't cut away from the first-person perspective (and think Halo could do more of this).

Anyways, I also have a feeling they'll do a better job than Bungie.

[Edited on 01.02.2012 6:49 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2012 6:42 AM PDT

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What are you thoughts on Halo CEA's terminals?

Posted by: Primo84
Knew I forgot something.

Yeah, the terminals were good. Not enough to make put me in the "343 is going to do awesome!" camp, but I'll chalk it up there with the likes of Cryptum, Glasslands, and such.

  • 01.02.2012 6:53 AM PDT

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What are you thoughts on Halo CEA's terminals?

Posted by: Primo84
Knew I forgot something.

Yeah, the terminals were good. Not enough to make put me in the "343 is going to do awesome!" camp, but I'll chalk it up there with the likes of Cryptum, Glasslands, and such.


The CEA Terminals proved that Kevin Grace needs to be utilised a lot more as a writer, he did a fantastic job with The Return too. He does fantastic character-driven stories, next to Greg Bear he's the best writer that 343i have.

  • 01.02.2012 7:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: NAStheMagiking
I thought they mentioned COD with regards to story


The day Halo cites CoD as an aspiration for story is the day I leave the franchise behind forever. That's not what they meant. On topic, I think they'll do a good job and possibly a better one than Bungie; they're really focusing on the deeper lore, and it seems Halo 4 will expand beyond the rather shallow plots of the trilogy.
Did you not read the whole post? I clearly gave an example of what I meant by that statement. COD may not be the best for actual stories, but you can't deny they execute things very well, immersing the player in specific events (such as the aforementioned nuke scene). I also like that they don't cut away from the first-person perspective (and think Halo could do more of this).

Anyways, I also have a feeling they'll do a better job than Bungie.


Not to get into a CoD/Halo discussion, but 'execute things very well' is kinda shaky. Having a few ZOMG moments doesn't equal good execution. Halo is better for overall immersion in their story, how many people say they buy CoD because they love the characters and the story?

  • 01.02.2012 7:04 AM PDT

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how many people say they buy CoD because they love the characters and the story?


This is because the vast majority of the community for Call of Duty are simple minded, one-dimensional morons. And yes, that's a generalisation, and yes it's absolutely true - the past 5 years have taught us all that.

However, the effigy presented by the community doesn't drag the storyline down with it, look at Black Ops, it was a well-structured multilayered story that could have easily filled a decent 500 page novel. The characters in BO were well constructed with their motivations and appeared as more than "ok, let's go kill Russians". The build up and eventual conclusions of Black Ops was a turning point, not just for the plot, but for the characters too and I actually cared what was going on.

With Halo, whilst the plot is absolutely fantastic, I seldom feel any sympathy or relation to any of the characters because the games leave them remarkably underdeveloped. The most developed John got was when he had Thel with him, as Wolvers has pointed out, there is a mutual respect between them that grows into a strong bond as the story progresses, ultimately culminating in John checking to see if Thel is okay. This seems like a small point, but think of his priorities at the time, Halo is about to fire and everything pivots on escaping and as soon as he recovers he looks to see if Thel is still alive. That is subtle character development that can only be appreciated through understanding, this is the best development John had, but in Halo CE and 2 he had nobody to relate to. Many people will say Cortana and John share a close bond, but it's not real to us, she's an artificial construct that makes it hard for the players to sympathise with, Thel is a real living being that can be hurt and engage our sympathies.

I realise I've dragged on here, but Halo really needs to take a leaf out of Black Ops' book and Halo 3's and start engaging with character development like what I've described. Motivations, friendships, conflicts - Halo needs to start showing these in the games, it's one aspect that Halo 3 definitely did right but was underutilised whilst Black Ops had it throughout with Reznov and Mason, the final revelation about Reznov is shocking to us because we've grown to care about the characters.

  • 01.02.2012 7:26 AM PDT


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Posted by: NAStheMagiking
I thought they mentioned COD with regards to story


The day Halo cites CoD as an aspiration for story is the day I leave the franchise behind forever. That's not what they meant. On topic, I think they'll do a good job and possibly a better one than Bungie; they're really focusing on the deeper lore, and it seems Halo 4 will expand beyond the rather shallow plots of the trilogy.
Did you not read the whole post? I clearly gave an example of what I meant by that statement. COD may not be the best for actual stories, but you can't deny they execute things very well, immersing the player in specific events (such as the aforementioned nuke scene). I also like that they don't cut away from the first-person perspective (and think Halo could do more of this).

Anyways, I also have a feeling they'll do a better job than Bungie.


Not to get into a CoD/Halo discussion, but 'execute things very well' is kinda shaky. Having a few ZOMG moments doesn't equal good execution. Halo is better for overall immersion in their story, how many people say they buy CoD because they love the characters and the story?
I'm not comparing them, btw. I don't want this to turn into a VS thing (plus, I pick Halo any day over COD). However, I can appreciate things about COD. The nuke aftermath was an affecting scene, and was well executed (that could have been a simple cutscene, but the way you spent your final moments before blurring out was great). I also like the way they executed All Ghillied Up. In COD 4, which is wheat I was mostly referring to, it wasn't so bad. They didn't aim to make a SP that was full of OTT silliness. I think back then they thought more about the content, and there were some genuinely well executed levels. Even if in later instalments they were nothing more than 'ZOMG moments', they're still pretty cool. I hear there's a level in MW3 where you're shooting at guys whilst the plane is tossing you for a loop. Now, that may be just ridiculously OTT, but it's still a nice idea. 343 could look at that and think 'that's interesting, we can do something like that but better'.

Oh, and that death scene in MW2 (I never saw it coming). I barely knew much of the characters in question, and yet I felt sorry for them because of the way they did it. I didn't feel sorry for anyone in Noble Team (well, maybe a little for 2).

As I say, 343 may not be looking at COD for pointers about plot (btw, not yet played through Black Ops), but it did do some cool things within the narrative.

[Edited on 01.02.2012 7:44 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2012 7:39 AM PDT

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Fair enough. I'm very prone to hype, so once I finished watching all the terminals I became a proud member of the "343 is going to do awesome!" camp, and still am.

Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: RigZ Boi
What are you thoughts on Halo CEA's terminals?

Posted by: Primo84
Knew I forgot something.

Yeah, the terminals were good. Not enough to make put me in the "343 is going to do awesome!" camp, but I'll chalk it up there with the likes of Cryptum, Glasslands, and such.

  • 01.02.2012 8:32 AM PDT

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