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Subject: Matchmaking - Ideas, Alternatives, and Opinions

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Posted by: GoldenSniper456
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Well simply put many people love and dispise the matchmaking system. First off it gives a place where the most fair rankings are possible, where competition is hightened and promoted, where theres a constant goal that gets increasingly harder, where your pitted against those of equal skill (to a point). It's a great system that has potential to change the face of the gaming industry, then again communism was a great idea with great potential but look what happened with it (sorry if I offend any communists but that's how I see it). It's an ideal setting for cheaters, limits choice, leads to to quitters, forces you to play games you don't like, limits your ability to control the game, makes many angry.

I beleive that the matchmaking system is not yet dead, has not yet failed, can with the right changes be the top of all gaming experiences. All we need is the right ideas, the right twists, or maybe a new system based on the matchmaking ideals, based on the same basic principles. Matchmaking is ingenious and isn't dead, Halo 2 is only the beginning of matchmaking, now lets make sure it heads off in the right direction.

I have one idea to help matchmaking, well to be truthefull it's not my idea and I forget who cam up with it. Basically the whole principle is to allow choice, one of the lacking feature of matchmaking while still keeping the matchmaking playlist way of running the online play. Simply put the idea is to allow peopl to choose which gametypes (and maybe maps or gametype-map combinations) to play. So you go to a playlist, open up your settings and make a list of the gametypes to play. Now for obvious reasons to keep with the matchmaking premise there would have to be a minimal amount of gametypes on your list for each playlist. Whether that be 25%, 50%, 75%, or any ammount I'm not sure but i'm do know that there should be. But this whole idea would allow you to just not play the gametypes you don't want allowing there to be less controversy over the whole this types stinks, don't put in this type, this types for newbs discussions (if you can call them that).

Now that I'm done ranting (For now) I would like to hear what you guys have to say about that mentioned above, other ideas you've heard or had, or just matchmacking in general. If you have an alternative to matchmaking please post it, if you have ideas to improve matchmaking do that aswell.

  • 05.11.2006 12:57 PM PDT
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Considering that the matchmaking system for Halo 2 is the best for any console game on the market, I'm pretty happy with it. As far as a more refined Opti-match, it would be nice, and it probably would help people find the games they want to play, but then again, if something like this is allowed for ranked games, it would probably be unfair because you'd just have a team of people play one game type on one map over and over, and become really good at it, and then have them go rank up by only playing that specific game type on that specific map. The point of levelling up is to rank your skill for ALL gametypes, not just one in particular.

  • 05.11.2006 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sekigahara
Considering that the matchmaking system for Halo 2 is the best for any console game on the market, I'm pretty happy with it. As far as a more refined Opti-match, it would be nice, and it probably would help people find the games they want to play, but then again, if something like this is allowed for ranked games, it would probably be unfair because you'd just have a team of people play one game type on one map over and over, and become really good at it, and then have them go rank up by only playing that specific game type on that specific map. The point of levelling up is to rank your skill for ALL gametypes, not just one in particular.

Which is exactly why I think matchmaking is great and should live. The problem is that to many people are inclined to the limits on choice brought about by such a system. This is why I think that they should improve it with the formentioned idea in my first post. And as for an actual optimatch system with matchmaking, well i think that having both would ruin matchmaking. You see matchmaking is a system that depends vastly on having a large enough amount of players to feed it's matching. Now imagine when everyone first gets Halo 3, they all start to play it on live and matchmakings a hit, about a month later everyone discovers all the fun customs and settings and gets there bearing if you will, now all those who are not interested in rank start playing customs with optimatch. What happens to Matchmaking well it dies a considerable amount but not enough to phase it. Now as you know games get less played as time goes on, the community shrinks, matchmaking becomes less and less popular, the system falls apart as everyone left is playing customs through optimatch. You cannot have both as matchamking will die within the first drop in the number of players. Then again this is all speculation but that's how I feel.

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I just want to add Zombie and Vampire (from Timesplitters) as gametypes.

  • 05.11.2006 1:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: GoldenSniper456
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Posted by: ThreeShot
Posted by: Sekigahara
Considering that the matchmaking system for Halo 2 is the best for any console game on the market.


Someone hasn't played too many console games if they can say that.

Well that's just your opinion, his is that matchmaking is great. Just because you may not like it or prefer other one dosen't mean that he can't feel it's the best.

  • 05.11.2006 1:23 PM PDT
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I want Bungie to include both an Optimatch/Server List and Matchmaking in their next game.

Halo 2's matchmaking gave you little choice, and a lot of random gametypes/maps/teammates, and it is one of the main reasons (along with the massive auto-aim, general immaturity of the Halo 2 players, and all the cheating) why I rarely play Halo 2 anymore.

Bungie's obivously not going to take Matchmaking out, so all that I ask of them is to include an Optimatch/Server List system in their next game. This way, fans of the simplicity of matchmaking will be happy, and the people who like to choose what/where/who they play will be happy.

Custom gametypes (private games) are no subsitute for an Optimatch/Server List system either.

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i want to play as apink grunt with a shotgun

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Posted by: Canadian Ehhh
Well simply put many people love and dispise the matchmaking system. First off it gives a place where the most fair rankings are possible, where competition is hightened and promoted, where theres a constant goal that gets increasingly harder, where your pitted against those of equal skill (to a point).


Those were the goals of matchmaking, but they were not accomplished in Halo 2's MM system.

-Halo 2's ranks are innacurate, judge you based on what your teammates do instead of individual skill, and they reward cheaters/punish legit players. I would call Halo 2's ranks fall from fair. Especially when Bungie takes down their leaderboards because most of the people on those leaderboards were not legit.

-If by competition you mean 10 year olds screaming at each other, and yelling "loser!!" into their mics, then I guess competition in Halo 2's MM is heightened, but for the most part, the competition is just as good, if not better in most Public Servers I join via Optimatch/Server Lists.

-As I level up in Halo 2, player skill level doesn't really increase, the only thing that increases is the abundance cheating and yelling. I even deleveled so I didn't have to deal with that bull-blam!-.

-And for your last point, I'm rarely pitted against people of equal skill levels, because Halo 2's ranking system is totally innaccurate.

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Posted by: crofty990
i want to play as apink grunt with a shotgun

dude, that was a fad that started when i first joined, i tink its alittle ole' now, but i would like to see a server list, but of custom games, not ranked

  • 05.11.2006 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: GoldenSniper456
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Posted by: USATitan
-Halo 2's ranks are innacurate, judge you based on what your teammates do instead of individual skill, and they reward cheaters/punish legit players. I would call Halo 2's ranks fall from fair. Especially when Bungie takes down their leaderboards because most of the people on those leaderboards were not legit.

Well actually the halo 2 matchmaking system was based on your placing on your team, your teams win or loss (it is a team game) and your rank relative to your teammates. So yes what your teammates do affects you but inderecty, it's not like if they die it decreases your rank unless you lose, but it is a team game.

Posted by: USATitan
-If by competition you mean 10 year olds screaming at each other, and yelling "loser!!" into their mics, then I guess competition in Halo 2's MM is heightened, but for the most part, the competition is just as good, if not better in most Public Servers I join via Optimatch/Server Lists.

Well the 10 year old kid thing I never really felt a problem with untill recently as they seem to refuse to quit playing halo 2. Besides thats not due to optimatch thats due to the emmense popularity of Halo 2 which causes little 10 year olds to scream untill there parents get it for them. Besides when halo 2 first came out the competition in my mind was amazing. Dosen't anyone but me remember the glory days of matchmaking when Halo 2 was released.

Posted by: USATitan
-As I level up in Halo 2, player skill level doesn't really increase, the only thing that increases is the abundance cheating and yelling. I even deleveled so I didn't have to deal with that bull-blam!-.

Yes cheating I will give you is a very large problem and matchmaking is an ideal setting for it to take place. I even admitted that above and have been thinking about a solution though I'm drawing a blank. The yelling I've already mentioned is not due to matchmaking, and as for the whole skill problem well I know the ranking algorithm isn't the best but that is something that can be improved. Ever heard of EGR (or similar projects), if the system could be more like that then I think matchmaking would show great improvements in the skill ranking. And well the problem again comes with time, because I remember starting to play Halo 2 on Live and the first few levels flew by, I was killing everyone so easily, I quikly made it to level 7 and then started to find it a bit harder and more challenging, I pushed my way to level 10 and was stuck. I was above my head but I continued and improved and shot up again, now I was at 12 and i started to slowly move my way up improving as i went, finding competition harder and harder untill i made it to 15 where I stayed untill the reset (but that's because I stopped playing for a while).

Posted by: USATitan
-And for your last point, I'm rarely pitted against people of equal skill levels, because Halo 2's ranking system is totally innaccurate.

Yes I do agree they need a more acurate raing system but that dosent delgitimize the theories and possibilities behind matchmaking. You seem to not realize that I didn't say it wwas perfect and are trying to pick apart my first post from that view. Why not instead offer up ideas or alternatives. beside those points where actually the potential and ideals of matchmaking and not necesarily realities with the current system.

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man i didn't even see the post before and i made my own, matchmaking is the future of gaming

  • 05.11.2006 1:53 PM PDT