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Subject: Halo: Primordium discussion [spoilers]


Posted by: grey101
I loved that idea, no, each monitor is a shard and probably has a Gea.


Thats not right though is it, I'm sure each monitor is a geas, they dont have one they are one. Thats my understanding based on the gea extraction and then the monitors created based on these geas.

  • 01.11.2012 7:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
I loved that idea, no, each monitor is a shard and probably has a Gea.


Thats not right though is it, I'm sure each monitor is a geas, they dont have one they are one. Thats my understanding based on the gea extraction and then the monitors created based on these geas.


Probably was the key word there since only the dominant Gea was extracted. that wouldn't remove all the other implanted genetic coding.

  • 01.11.2012 7:26 PM PDT

I hope the 3rd book addresses the "Last time you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it" line from Two Betrayals.

  • 01.12.2012 5:27 AM PDT

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Just to ask if the primoridium was a gravemind what creatures did it absorb.

Was it only precursors or was it normal species like those who failed the test.

  • 01.12.2012 7:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24
Just finished reading a little while ago. My head is spinning and I intend to go back and read the conversation between the Didact and the Captive again. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the conversation, and the whole Chakas/343GS thing.

Definitely a great book, with a whole lot more new questions than answers, which sets up nicely for the third book. I've thoroughly enjoyed every Halo novel, but Greg Bear's work on the Forerunner trilogy has been absolutely outstanding.


I agree completely. Forerunner Trilogy has proven that Halo is becoming more mature, but I'm a little worried about the style in Halo 4.

I read the entire thread, but I did not see many mentions to the Installation 07, shrouded in mist. I think it will play a big whole in the next trilogy.

  • 01.12.2012 9:19 AM PDT

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When Chakas is journeying together with Vinnevra they say something about meeting the child. I do not think that the Precursors are the Flood, but they created it to unite the Universe. The Precursors are probably the closest think to a God in the Halo Saga, in the last pages the Didact said something about killing a God.

It's worth discussing this.

  • 01.12.2012 9:27 AM PDT

Does anyone know the page numbers when Primordium discusses the child?

  • 01.12.2012 9:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: superman18123
Does anyone know the page numbers when Primordium discusses the child?


Kind of hard to answer that, people read the book in paperback, iPad, Kindle, etc. and the number of pages here was 247, the child was discussed around page 190.

  • 01.12.2012 9:43 AM PDT


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Posted by: superman18123
Does anyone know the page numbers when Primordium discusses the child?


Kind of hard to answer that, people read the book in paperback, iPad, Kindle, etc. and the number of pages here was 247, the child was discussed around page 190.


I have the paperback. What about chapter, then?

  • 01.12.2012 10:01 AM PDT

yas334229812

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That i have noticed is that the child was always talked about as well as the composer.

You may have got a decent theory, but the reason the child is not i think talked much about is that we do not know much about it, and there are alot to consider and answer before we get here.
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Now what we know is that the Captive is definetly a gravemind but why does it call itself a Precursor is still unknown. Was it created only by the absorption of the precursor, has it maybe absorbed a precursor and now as it has its access to its memory and now has bent it to its will consider itself a precursor.

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Posted by: risay_117


Now what we know is that the Captive is definetly a gravemind but why does it call itself a Precursor is still unknown.


Because it WAS a precursor.

It actually used that word correctly since all ancient primordial races would be precursors to the forerunners. It said the precursors that created the forerunners still live though it is the last of it's kind.

Which is why i keep bringing up the primordial races becoming a post-scarcity society by creating and joining the flood. Precursors ARE the flood, but since they joined willingly it might be more of a fusion than mindless absorption. Hence the control the primordial has over the flood and even Charum Hakkor itself- which we know was created from neural technology.

  • 01.12.2012 10:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: risay_117


Now what we know is that the Captive is definetly a gravemind but why does it call itself a Precursor is still unknown.


Because it WAS a precursor.

It actually used that word correctly since all ancient primordial races would be precursors to the forerunners. It said the precursors that created the forerunners still live though it is the last of it's kind.

Which is why i keep bringing up the primordial races becoming a post-scarcity society by creating and joining the flood. Precursors ARE the flood, but since they joined willingly it might be more of a fusion than mindless absorption. Hence the control the primordial has over the flood and even Charum Hakkor itself- which we know was created from neural technology.


i had a feeling of that, so mainly any specie that willingly joins the flood, and becomes part of it is actually what it takes to be a precursor

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This is an interesting theory, especially since Primordial when considering Embryology is an aggregation of cells in the first stages of life, or the first form of life.

Since the Primordial is simply a Gravemind, maybe just maybe, it's several Graveminds merged into one. Many primordial species gave themselves to the Flood and formed many, many Graveminds. Eventually when enough "intelligence" is gathered the "essence" or CPU of those Graveminds is put into a single form, i.e. the Primordial.

I've always wondered what would happen if the Flood had no other sentient life to consume. Would they begin to create technology to help them move to different galaxies? Considering how much trouble one Gravemind gave Humanity and the Covenant, a combination of multiple in a one entity is just plain scary( Just a lil theory of my own and plenty of speculation )

If this is the case then, i really want to know what are the origins of the Flood.

Possibly when it comes to Precursors/Flood a million years is still considered an infant. A Precursor from the Forerunner-Precursor war would be interesting to see, and how it would compare to the Primordial.

I've got a feeling the Composer is going to play an important role in Halo 4. Quoting from the book, "Something the Forerunners were using long ago to try and preserve those stricken with the Shaping Sickness. We thought they had abandoned it........That was its other function. A very powerful device - if it was a device. Some thought the Composer was a product of its own services - a Forerunner, possibly a Lifeworker, suspended in the final stages of the Shaping Sickness."

If this is true, what would make this Forerunner so special, some kind of connection to the Precursors/Flood? It seems the Composer must be controlled/operated by someone to be of any use.

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So, was it just me, or did anyone find the Forerunners civilization rather -blam!-ed up?
They de-evolve a race that they conquered, but also use that race to try to find a cure for a disease that they've been unable to cure. They also create these ringworlds for the sole purpose of destroying everything in the universe just to possibly get rid of The Flood. On top of all that, they have created machines to take the "gea" from a body and implement it into a machine and then say that they will be serving the librarian for the great good. No choice really.

I've love the Halo universe, and even the Forerunners are still somewhat cool, but man were they -blam!-ed up.

  • 01.12.2012 9:10 PM PDT

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Completely agree with you Duardo, you listed some of the many reasons why the Timeless One said that they failed the mantle. And I think it's quite interesting that the Forerunner Trilogy is destroying lots of explanations about the lore.

People were asking here why the Flood attacked the humans on Installation 04 if they still had the chance to prove themselves to be worthy to the Precursors. Probably because the Flood was trying to end this Human-Covenant War that was damaging their plan.

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Posted by: Duardo
So, was it just me, or did anyone find the Forerunners civilization rather -blam!-ed up?
They de-evolve a race that they conquered, but also use that race to try to find a cure for a disease that they've been unable to cure. They also create these ringworlds for the sole purpose of destroying everything in the universe just to possibly get rid of The Flood. On top of all that, they have created machines to take the "gea" from a body and implement it into a machine and then say that they will be serving the librarian for the great good. No choice really.

I've love the Halo universe, and even the Forerunners are still somewhat cool, but man were they -blam!-ed up.

If they knew we had the cure they probably would have thought twice about devolving us. But there was no cure in the first place it seems. Or maybe they were lying and there is a working cure.

But in general, lots if futuristic empires are evil, forerunners are no exception.

  • 01.13.2012 5:34 AM PDT

So am I right and thinking that all the species on the Arks were taken back to their planets once the Flood was thought to be dormant again? Or what happened to all the preserves on the Arks. Oh yeah, and there's two freakin Arks!?!? So did we visit the lesser or greater one in Halo 3?

  • 01.13.2012 9:44 AM PDT

yas334229812

Well you can say their threat was neutralized which is why they sent them back. Not really able to threaten civilizations.

I think the one in Halo 3 is the lesser ark.
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So am I right and thinking that all the species on the Arks were taken back to their planets once the Flood was thought to be dormant again? Or what happened to all the preserves on the Arks. Oh yeah, and there's two freakin Arks!?!? So did we visit the lesser or greater one in Halo 3?


On another topic i bet people noticed that the primodrium actually bioengineered the flood to attack certain species and to do certain things, which brings the question, can the flood be engineered to be immune to more things, like the zerg in starcraft are.

  • 01.13.2012 9:47 AM PDT

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And as someone above mentioned, we do not really know what the composer is, and the ones saying what it is, is not really sure if he is right.

We know it was made to stop them from starting all over again, and other nit picky facts but we have no real info on exactly what it is.

  • 01.13.2012 9:49 AM PDT

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I wonder when Offensive Bias comes in to play.

  • 01.13.2012 12:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
And as someone above mentioned, we do not really know what the composer is.


Or WHO the composer is.


I think it may be a living entity.

  • 01.13.2012 12:29 PM PDT

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I wonder when Offensive Bias comes in to play.



Now that you mention it we have not seen him at all.

  • 01.13.2012 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Nebula I

Posted by: risay_117
And as someone above mentioned, we do not really know what the composer is.


Or WHO the composer is.


I think it may be a living entity.

True

  • 01.13.2012 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
So, was it just me, or did anyone find the Forerunners civilization rather -blam!-ed up?
They de-evolve a race that they conquered, but also use that race to try to find a cure for a disease that they've been unable to cure. They also create these ringworlds for the sole purpose of destroying everything in the universe just to possibly get rid of The Flood. On top of all that, they have created machines to take the "gea" from a body and implement it into a machine and then say that they will be serving the librarian for the great good. No choice really.

I've love the Halo universe, and even the Forerunners are still somewhat cool, but man were they -blam!-ed up.


That's been my issue with the "Forerunner" book series. Don't get me wrong, I love the focus on Forerunner lore, but goes against my preconceptions. They seem more like the Covenant, full of politics and deceit.

Of course, it was only my preconception that was denounced, which ultimately doesn't mean a whole lot.

  • 01.13.2012 12:33 PM PDT

"It will not be we who reach Alpha Centauri, and the other nearby stars, it will be a species very like us, but with more of our strengths and fewer of our weaknesses, more confident, far-seeing, capable, and prudent. For all our failings, despite our limitations and fallibilities, we humans are capable of greatness."-Carl Sagan


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Posted by: Duardo
So, was it just me, or did anyone find the Forerunners civilization rather -blam!-ed up?
They de-evolve a race that they conquered, but also use that race to try to find a cure for a disease that they've been unable to cure. They also create these ringworlds for the sole purpose of destroying everything in the universe just to possibly get rid of The Flood. On top of all that, they have created machines to take the "gea" from a body and implement it into a machine and then say that they will be serving the librarian for the great good. No choice really.

I've love the Halo universe, and even the Forerunners are still somewhat cool, but man were they -blam!-ed up.


That's been my issue with the "Forerunner" book series. Don't get me wrong, I love the focus on Forerunner lore, but goes against my preconceptions. They seem more like the Covenant, full of politics and deceit.

Of course, it was only my preconception that was denounced, which ultimately doesn't mean a whole lot.


I really like Greg's view on Forerunner society.

Flawed gods.

  • 01.13.2012 12:37 PM PDT