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Prometheus for me they look more like humans, not covenant, cause they are more zealous like.

Humans dealing with things in a lot larger and more important scale.

  • 01.13.2012 12:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
Prometheus for me they look more like humans, not covenant, cause they are more zealous like.

Humans dealing with things in a lot larger and more important scale.


I won't disagree with that assessment. I just decided on Covenant because I felt that the relationship between the Master Buidler, Didact, the Lifeworker, and the Forerunner Council, and in a parallel fashion with the Covenant Oligarchy, was filled with more drama than an all-girl's high school

  • 01.13.2012 12:47 PM PDT

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  • 01.13.2012 12:48 PM PDT


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Posted by: risay_117
Prometheus for me they look more like humans, not covenant, cause they are more zealous like.

Humans dealing with things in a lot larger and more important scale.


I won't disagree with that assessment. I just decided on Covenant because I felt that the relationship between the Master Buidler, Didact, the Lifeworker, and the Forerunner Council, and in a parallel fashion with the Covenant Oligarchy, was filled with more drama than an all-girl's high school


Good point, it will be very interesting to see how the next book by travis will delve into the covenent and especially why oni felt the need for such a ship. I mean sure they knew the peace couldnt last but i'm sencing that it has something to do with Halo 4.

And im guessing based on the little bit of information that primordium provided (say in comparision to cryptum) that it was due to Halo 4 and the buildup to the next book

  • 01.14.2012 2:14 PM PDT

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Given how much I loved Cryptum, I was actually disappointed with Primordium. Cryptum's first 100 pages or so were quite slow, but we were getting new revelations with each chapter. The amount of new knowledge made you want to keep reading, and Bornsteller was a fantastic character to explore.

I found Chakas to be quite boring. And the 200 pages of the book that were simply wandering the Ring were nothing but filler content. I wanted to see more of the Captive/Primordial, but we were only given tastes of his presence until the last few chapters of the book.

This is honestly not what I expected at all. For being part of the Forerunner saga, there was a huge lack of Forerunners for 70% of the book. Not enough MB, and certainly not where I wanted things to pick up after the end of Cryptum.

The last 50 pages of the book are what I wanted the entire thing to be like. The revelations we finally got towards the end of the book made the read worth it, and although I enjoyed the book it certainly isn't one of my favorites.

I'm glad there was mention of the Terminals we read in Halo 3. It really helps mesh all the canon together. I'm excited to see what the third book has in store, and it better touch on some of those subjects from the terminals. I want to go in depth with the Didact, MB, Offensive Bias, and the galactic battles that ensued until the Rings were fired.

  • 01.14.2012 3:41 PM PDT

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Would it be much of a stretch to assume that the Chief has the geas of the Didact based on Spark's "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?" and "Last time you asked me if it were my choice would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query my answer has not changed, there is no choice, we must activate the ring." lines?

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Would it be much of a stretch to assume that the Chief has the geas of the Didact based on Spark's "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?" and "Last time you asked me if it were my choice would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query my answer has not changed, there is no choice, we must activate the ring." lines?


Given that statement i guess it wouldn't, though i honestly see no connection between the two. but you are right.

  • 01.15.2012 9:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: I Nebula I
I was more sad for Bornstellar.

"Bornstellar?"

"Only in my dreams."


But he is more present than you think, look at actions, ignore the words.

He was excited to see Chakas and Riser alive, i am sure he was the one that told the installations AI's to look out for them in the first place. The way in which he talked to Chakas was reminiscent of Bornstellar, Not the Didact.

"It" even stated himself that the original Didact is dead thus he is serving it his place. It is still Bornstellar, just more mature minded. The Fact he is sleeping not to mention dreaming is another testament to that.

  • 01.15.2012 6:38 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Given how much I loved Cryptum, I was actually disappointed with Primordium. Cryptum's first 100 pages or so were quite slow, but we were getting new revelations with each chapter. The amount of new knowledge made you want to keep reading, and Bornsteller was a fantastic character to explore.

I found Chakas to be quite boring. And the 200 pages of the book that were simply wandering the Ring were nothing but filler content. I wanted to see more of the Captive/Primordial, but we were only given tastes of his presence until the last few chapters of the book.

This is honestly not what I expected at all. For being part of the Forerunner saga, there was a huge lack of Forerunners for 70% of the book. Not enough MB, and certainly not where I wanted things to pick up after the end of Cryptum.

The last 50 pages of the book are what I wanted the entire thing to be like. The revelations we finally got towards the end of the book made the read worth it, and although I enjoyed the book it certainly isn't one of my favorites.

I'm glad there was mention of the Terminals we read in Halo 3. It really helps mesh all the canon together. I'm excited to see what the third book has in store, and it better touch on some of those subjects from the terminals. I want to go in depth with the Didact, MB, Offensive Bias, and the galactic battles that ensued until the Rings were fired.



i totally agree. they say your suppose to read the first 100 pages of a book and then decide if you want to finish the book. if i wasn't a fan of halo i would of stopped reading this book after 50. 200 pages or so were quite pointless and i don't know why the editors or 343 didn't tell the author this.

the book should of been chakas journey in about 1/3 of the book then the didacts for 1/3 then finish the book up how it ended.

I liked the ending but was disappointed in the novel and liked cryptum much better.

  • 01.15.2012 8:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: risay_117
Prometheus for me they look more like humans, not covenant, cause they are more zealous like.

Humans dealing with things in a lot larger and more important scale.


I won't disagree with that assessment. I just decided on Covenant because I felt that the relationship between the Master Buidler, Didact, the Lifeworker, and the Forerunner Council, and in a parallel fashion with the Covenant Oligarchy, was filled with more drama than an all-girl's high school
I've got to agree with both of you here. The caste system in Forerunner society is very similar to the Covenant's social structure. However, in personality and attitude, I find Forerunners remarkably human.

Upon some reflection of the Didact-Primordial conversation, it's become much more obvious to me why the Forerunners essentially committed mass suicide. It has always been pretty obvious that the Forerunners did so to give life in the galaxy a chance, but I enjoyed seeing a glimpse into the Forerunner mindset at the time.

"Sickness, slavery, lingering death!" the Didact said. "We will analyze everything here, and we will learn. The Flood will be defeated."

"Work, fight, live. All the sweeter. Mind after mind will shape and absorb. In the end, all will be quiet with wisdom."

The Didact gave a small quiver, whether of rage or fear I could not tell.


Forerunner arrogance has been duly noted through Cryptum. I liked seeing the obvious commitment to victory by the Didact, to not be upstaged by the Flood.

Another quote:

The Didact got to his feet and gave me a long, bitter look. "Nothing is decided," he murmured. "This isn't over. It will never be over."

For the Didact, the ultimate meaning of upholding the Mantle was never to accept defeat.


Just a tidbit from the conversation I found intriguing. This exchange won't give us any groundbreaking discoveries, but it was interesting to me nonetheless.

[Edited on 01.15.2012 10:33 PM PST]

  • 01.15.2012 10:09 PM PDT

Has anyone thought of the fact that a way to explain the precursor flood relationship that the precursors created the flood in order to speed up their evolution and achieve a new level of development?

I mean it could be specifically engineered for beneficial uses on precursors and found to be detrimental to other creatures, I mean sure its farfetched but its at least one explanation that would cover (fully) the we are one in the same quote.

Thoughts?

  • 01.15.2012 10:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Urban GFX
Has anyone thought of the fact that a way to explain the precursor flood relationship that the precursors created the flood in order to speed up their evolution and achieve a new level of development?

I mean it could be specifically engineered for beneficial uses on precursors and found to be detrimental to other creatures, I mean sure its farfetched but its at least one explanation that would cover (fully) the we are one in the same quote.

Thoughts?

Seems like someone (Wolverfrog, maybe?) had a theory on here one upon a time concerning this. It's been well over a year since I read it, but I believe his argument was that the Precursors created the Flood as a way to store knowledge but it eventually turned on them.

I like your idea, everything is definitely pointing towards the fact that Precursors have a hand behind the Flood.

  • 01.15.2012 10:39 PM PDT

Posted by: ryan299
i totally agree. they say your suppose to read the first 100 pages of a book and then decide if you want to finish the book. if i wasn't a fan of halo i would of stopped reading this book after 50. 200 pages or so were quite pointless and i don't know why the editors or 343 didn't tell the author this.

the book should of been chakas journey in about 1/3 of the book then the didacts for 1/3 then finish the book up how it ended.

I liked the ending but was disappointed in the novel and liked cryptum much better.
I completely disagree. Yeah, Primordium had a MUCH slower pace, but the deeper into the book I got, the hungrier I got for information. Little snippets of information were placed throughout the book to show me that good things were coming. Even through the boring parts describing jungles, food, etc., I could feel the plot building.

Plus I thought it was interesting to see a Halo from the viewpoint of ancient humans.

I think this type of story had its place in Primordium, and hopefully the third book will be the explosion of information and action we're hoping for.

  • 01.15.2012 10:53 PM PDT


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Posted by: ryan299
i totally agree. they say your suppose to read the first 100 pages of a book and then decide if you want to finish the book. if i wasn't a fan of halo i would of stopped reading this book after 50. 200 pages or so were quite pointless and i don't know why the editors or 343 didn't tell the author this.

the book should of been chakas journey in about 1/3 of the book then the didacts for 1/3 then finish the book up how it ended.

I liked the ending but was disappointed in the novel and liked cryptum much better.
I completely disagree. Yeah, Primordium had a MUCH slower pace, but the deeper into the book I got, the hungrier I got for information. Little snippets of information were placed throughout the book to show me that good things were coming. Even through the boring parts describing jungles, food, etc., I could feel the plot building.

Plus I thought it was interesting to see a Halo from the viewpoint of ancient humans.

I think this type of story had its place in Primordium, and hopefully the third book will be the explosion of information and action we're hoping for.


I liked the book except for its lack of information. Sure it didn't provide too much information very quickly but it was still good reading. I just really wanted more new information and sure we got some in the end but it would have been great for it to more space bound visiting new and wonderous places xD

  • 01.15.2012 11:13 PM PDT


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Posted by: ryan299
i totally agree. they say your suppose to read the first 100 pages of a book and then decide if you want to finish the book. if i wasn't a fan of halo i would of stopped reading this book after 50. 200 pages or so were quite pointless and i don't know why the editors or 343 didn't tell the author this.

the book should of been chakas journey in about 1/3 of the book then the didacts for 1/3 then finish the book up how it ended.

I liked the ending but was disappointed in the novel and liked cryptum much better.
I completely disagree. Yeah, Primordium had a MUCH slower pace, but the deeper into the book I got, the hungrier I got for information. Little snippets of information were placed throughout the book to show me that good things were coming. Even through the boring parts describing jungles, food, etc., I could feel the plot building.

Plus I thought it was interesting to see a Halo from the viewpoint of ancient humans.

I think this type of story had its place in Primordium, and hopefully the third book will be the explosion of information and action we're hoping for.


I liked the book except for its lack of information. Sure it didn't provide too much information very quickly but it was still good reading. I just really wanted more new information and sure we got some in the end but it would have been great for it to more space bound visiting new and wonderous places xD

Oh yeah I agree with you there. Cryptum was awesome in how it bounced around from different places in the galaxy. I think Primordium's set-up filled a nice role while telling an excellent story.

Hopefully the third book gives us that huge scope we've been craving.

  • 01.15.2012 11:22 PM PDT

I'm just over a quarter of the way into this book so far, I haven't got much time to read it but I'm actually a little bored right now; all it seems to be is Chakas, Vinevera (whatever) and Gamelpar trudging around a Halo ring.

I don't want to know about them, nor do I want an entire book from the perspective of a character I thought fairly inconsequential in Cryptum. It's the Forerunner trilogy.

Hopefully it gets better later on. Also, getting a bit of a Hyperion Shrike vibe from the Timeless One right now, with the palace of pain seeming a little like the time tombs over than the whole travel through time thing.

[Edited on 01.16.2012 12:59 AM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 12:53 AM PDT

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I'm just over a quarter of the way into this book so far, I haven't got much time to read it but I'm actually a little bored right now; all it seems to be is Chakas, Vinevera (whatever) and Gamelpar trudging around a Halo ring.

I don't want to know about them, nor do I want an entire book from the perspective of a character I thought fairly inconsequential in Cryptum. It's the Forerunner trilogy.



This is EXACTLY how I felt for the first 300 pages...

  • 01.16.2012 9:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: ryan299
i totally agree. they say your suppose to read the first 100 pages of a book and then decide if you want to finish the book. if i wasn't a fan of halo i would of stopped reading this book after 50. 200 pages or so were quite pointless and i don't know why the editors or 343 didn't tell the author this.

the book should of been chakas journey in about 1/3 of the book then the didacts for 1/3 then finish the book up how it ended.

I liked the ending but was disappointed in the novel and liked cryptum much better.


Plus I thought it was interesting to see a Halo from the viewpoint of ancient humans.



I think this was the point. Nearly the entire book is like Lord of the Rings in space: a lot of walking and exploring the world itself. But this had a massive back drop of death, decay and general end-of-the-world vibes. The tiny, inconsequential perspective of the humans I felt made the scale of what was going on out there larger, and perhaps even foreshadowed how the Reclaimer Trilogy will be like. A micro-cosmic individual caught up in a situation far beyond your comprehension--Frankie did say the Reclaimer Trilogy will "get worse before it gets better." The lack of action, but seeing the aftermath of all this war and confusion, not knowing what's going on, imo at least, kept it interesting, but no doubt it was a lot slower then the first. The calm before the storm perhaps?

[Edited on 01.16.2012 10:35 AM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 10:34 AM PDT

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What i did not understand was how did Chakas and Riser get pulled in with the beacon which was only affecting Vinerva. I thought it only affected those who got the certain gea from the halo.

Also why did Chakas let her follow her sense after what they had been through before.

  • 01.16.2012 11:47 AM PDT

Is anybody else really confused by the fact that the Didact defeated Mendicant Bias at the end of this book, but we also know for a fact that Offensive Bias defeats Mendicant Bias in battle? Whats going on here, am I missing something?

  • 01.25.2012 8:45 PM PDT


Posted by: SW1TCHED ON
Is anybody else really confused by the fact that the Didact defeated Mendicant Bias at the end of this book, but we also know for a fact that Offensive Bias defeats Mendicant Bias in battle? Whats going on here, am I missing something?


I haven't reached that bit yet but I'm guessing it wasn't the battle of the Maginot line. That took place just before and after the Halo array was fired.

[Edited on 01.26.2012 10:45 AM PST]

  • 01.26.2012 10:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: SW1TCHED ON
Is anybody else really confused by the fact that the Didact defeated Mendicant Bias at the end of this book, but we also know for a fact that Offensive Bias defeats Mendicant Bias in battle? Whats going on here, am I missing something?


I haven't reached that bit yet but I'm guessing it wasn't the battle of the Maginot line. That took place just before and after the Halo array was fired.

Just a guess, but what if that was just a piece of Bias but not the whole, just like how we killed only a fragment of Spark in Halo 3. The real Bias is still out there somewhere.

  • 01.26.2012 12:29 PM PDT

Finished the book, I enjoyed it towards the end but it was pretty slow-going at first.

One thing I'm not a fan of is how all this suddenly makes everything that happened before the Forerunner trilogy seem very unimportant. Human-Covenant war? Who cares, it lasted less than 30 years. Gravemind? He's just a tool used by a greater power. Halo rings? Merely weapons designed to combat a threat which couldn't be stopped anyway.

It makes the original trilogy seem a bit small by comparison as well as most of the other books. It sounds like a silly thing to complain about, but there it is anyway.

  • 01.26.2012 1:24 PM PDT