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So what happaned to Vinnerva at the end? As I read it was easy to forget what happaned to her.

Also

Any theories as to why installation 07 was originally so much bigger than all the others? Why the need for a 2nd arc? That seems to be stretching things a bit for me.

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Posted by: DoubleP1243
So what happaned to Vinnerva at the end? As I read it was easy to forget what happaned to her.

Also

Any theories as to why installation 07 was originally so much bigger than all the others? Why the need for a 2nd arc? That seems to be stretching things a bit for me.

We don't know what happened to Vinnerva except that she survived the events on 07.

  • 01.27.2012 4:26 AM PDT


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Posted by: risay_117
Prometheus for me they look more like humans, not covenant, cause they are more zealous like.

Humans dealing with things in a lot larger and more important scale.


I won't disagree with that assessment. I just decided on Covenant because I felt that the relationship between the Master Buidler, Didact, the Lifeworker, and the Forerunner Council, and in a parallel fashion with the Covenant Oligarchy, was filled with more drama than an all-girl's high school

Well, if we're going down that slippery slope of zealously and comparisons...

Forerunners are in fact zealous, a bunch of zealous zealots. They're strick adherence to the Mantle is borderline fanatic, which is one of the many reasons the Flood pretty much steamrolled them. Humanity (150,000 BCE) was far more advance and capable than the Forerunners, and the only actual reason for their loss was because they were fighting on two fronts.

Covenant are a bunch of sissy religious zealots who turn on their own kind when the truth becomes too much to bare and the Precursors are just vengeful, spiteful jerks.

The only Forerunners who made any sense or knew the true path to victory were all banished from the Council or sent into hibernation. What a fine thing to do, oh power, how you corrupt.
Lololololol, the covenant take a stab at their leaders when ever their leaders don't get their -blam!- right xD.

  • 01.27.2012 12:27 PM PDT


Posted by: MATCLAN
Would it be much of a stretch to assume that the Chief has the geas of the Didact based on Spark's "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?" and "Last time you asked me if it were my choice would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query my answer has not changed, there is no choice, we must activate the ring." lines?


i was thinking about that when i first heard of the librarian-halsey-geas theory. i wouldn't be surprised if the chief was a "human version" of the didact, while halsey - and therefore cortana - carry the librarian's spirit.
IMHO it would fit the MC-Cortana relationship talk we've been getting from 343i.

Posted by: DoubleP1243
Any theories as to why installation 07 was originally so much bigger than all the others? Why the need for a 2nd arc? That seems to be stretching things a bit for me.


there were two series of halos, the first 7 built by the builders (!) and a second series built on the librarian's orders. the latter ones were much smaller and replaced the original rings that were destroyed by the flood/MB.

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  • 01.28.2012 12:49 AM PDT

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The Didacts personality fits Master Chiefs somewhat in that neither of them would accept defeat and how Guilty Spark speaks to Chief. Although at the end of Terminal 10 from CEA he mentions what would happen if the Didact and the Prometheans were around with out the Librarian to "temper his rage" and that the humans would prefer the flood, suggesting the Didact is still alive and not a spirit in anyone. However, it would make for a very good story! I was excited at the end of the book when GS said he knew where to find the Librarian and that she would know how to bring back his old friends from their spirits trapped in modern humans.

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  • 02.07.2012 2:43 PM PDT

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Aye it is all pretty mind blowing stuff! The fact that it proves the Librarian is alive in someway and perhaps even the Didact was shocking. They must both be impossibly old.

  • 02.08.2012 6:02 AM PDT

I just thought of something i think there were 8 slipspace field pods in onyx but only 5 had team katana in them. That means the other 3 could have had forerunners in them, which would explain why they mentioned bornstellar on onyx. And who knows maybe the other 2 forerunners from the end of cryptum (dust and glory i think) could be in them.

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Good point, but they got info from "The Bornstellar relation". Which seems to imply a relative or a terminal, remember that they don't have info on the Didact and aren't aware of the brevat mutation in full.

  • 03.07.2012 7:22 AM PDT

what part of relation meaning "relate" a story don't you understand. It was never meant to be interpreted as a "relative" of bornstellar because the whole book cryptum was a first person narrative.

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
what part of relation meaning "relate" a story don't you understand. It was never meant to be interpreted as a "relative" of bornstellar because the whole book cryptum was a first person narrative.


How can you honestly say that? For all we know there could be a forerunner in a slipspace Pod the ended up being a sibling of bornstellar (Since it was implied he and his sister weren't the only ones).

I am not stating anything as a fact just giving other examples in which it is a terminal of some sort or a biological relative.

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Didn't they say the Bornstellar relation was on Onyx, or in the dyson sphere inside Onyx?

Confirm please.

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Didn't they say the Bornstellar relation was on Onyx, or in the dyson sphere inside Onyx?

Confirm please.

They said something about the Bornstellar Relation found on Onyx. That's it.

  • 03.07.2012 7:11 PM PDT

crytum is a first person person narrative that rules out someone else telling the story all though it could be a terminal with a recording.

  • 03.09.2012 6:32 PM PDT

cryptum is a first person narrative therfore it rule out it being
a relative telling the story although a terminal with a recording
is still possible.

  • 03.09.2012 6:34 PM PDT

sorry thought i deleted that first post by accident so i made another one.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
crytum is a first person person narrative that rules out someone else telling the story all though it could be a terminal with a recording.


the funny thing about cryptum is that bonrstellar is telling the story even though he fuses with the didact at the end. So either bornstellar returns to his normal self somehow or you are talking a narrative with too much weight

  • 03.10.2012 8:43 AM PDT

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Anyone ever considered Bornsteller sister ever having a role. Maybe me just over thinking but really.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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It was stated (He said looking back on the events) that it brings him much pain and that he never saw his family again-alive and free.

That seems to me that he sees them again but they are infected since you aren't "Alive" when the flood infects you and you are indeed enslaved hence him saying free.


That does suck.

  • 03.10.2012 11:51 AM PDT

You're right he probably did return to his normal self because all they would have to do is remove the didact's once the war was
over, and i was thinking the same thing about what he said about his family. poor bornstellar.

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  • 03.11.2012 2:47 PM PDT

what about mendicant bias being deavtivated at the end of the book? I thought MB was leading the war against the forerunners all the way to the end. Wasn't it offensive bias that finally defeated MB?

  • 03.14.2012 11:42 PM PDT

maybe mendicant bias somehow escapes

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