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Subject: Why do Bungie.net users hate MLG players?

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Posted by: Madmaxepic
Posted by: antidope671
Careful now, you don't want to include every single MLG player under that umbrella-ella-ella, eh.


Holy -blam!-, that song is on the radio where I live right now! YOU ARE PSYCHIC *gasps*


You should smash your radio in, then.

"This is our biggest fear: The only tunes that we hear come via antenna to your car radio."


Eh, whot?

  • 01.05.2012 3:11 PM PDT

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Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Hate is a very strong word. I don't hate any MLG player. However, I do find some of them very annoying due to them being so arrogant and cocky. Some of them seem pretty cool guys.

  • 01.05.2012 3:15 PM PDT

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You guys care too much.


Posted by: westpointusma15
I don't have a problem with MLG.

I have a problem with what it has done to gaming and the people involved with it. And also to the people who think their opinions are better than others strictly because they play MLG (really) or in a MLG playlist.


You have somewhat of a decent point here. MLG helped to bring out the hyper-competitiveness in a lot of people, and in turn brought out the idiocy in a lot of people. However, I think this would have happened regardless of whether or not MLG picked up Halo as their flagship game. People have been douches online, and have thought they were a better person simply because they were better at a game, since Al Gore created the internet. MLG didn't start the fire, it was always burning. It just so happened to enhance it.

Now, regarding the 2nd part of your post, there are some instances where your skill/proficiency at a game has a bearing on how much weight your opinion holds in a discussion. If two groups of people are discussing what sort of changes should take place within the Ranked Slayer/MLG playlists, the better, more experienced group's opinion should carry a slightly higher weight, IMO. These are the people that know what they're talking about because they're probably playing those playlists more than the other group. But I probably shouldn't delve too deep into this part of the discussion, for fear of starting another "stats should be available to use for/against someone in a discussion" thread.

  • 01.05.2012 3:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lies
MLGs goal is simply to get money from people watching people play video games, the goal of the MLG community is to convert anyone who doesn't love MLG, that's hardly tolerant now is it?
No, that wouldn't be tolerant. Good thing it's not at all true. Of course they want to become as popular as possible, but that's a far cry from trying to convert everyone to their style of play.


To solidify this point:

Interview with Sundance where he states specifically that he doesn't want to convert people to MLG, but instead simply wants to create a generation of gamers who love eSports and those gamers will pass it on to their kids.

  • 01.05.2012 3:16 PM PDT
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Why would I ever hate MLG players?

  • 01.05.2012 3:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Louis Vuitton
Well, do you believe MLG is just as much Halo as Team Slayer or Infection? A common remark from people of your intelligence is that "MLG isn't Halo because x and y". I figured you'd have the same opinion.
Of course it is, there really isn't a "sub standard" gametype.

Saying it has a less right of existance than Slayer or infection is ridiculous.


What I'm contending is that it's not "the one true Halo" that is commonly argued, it's not the thing all Halo games should be and it's not the thing all Halo fans should want it to be.

(As in Infection and Team Slayer shouldn't be removed so more people play MLG.)

  • 01.05.2012 3:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: nickyfour92
he doesn't want to convert people to MLG
Posted by: nickyfour92
a generation of gamers who love eSports and those gamers will pass it on to their kids.
Doesn't that kind of contradict it?
MLG = eSports
Wanting everyone to love eSports = Wanting everyone to love MLG


Posted by: Louis Vuitton
Nobody is trying to argue MLG is the "one" form of Halo. It is however the competitive norm, which is a fact.
It's actually a more common argument than you'd think.
People also argue that it's the ONLY way to play the game competitively.
Which I also detest.

It might create the best atmosphere as it sees it but that doesn't mean it's the best atmosphere period.

[Edited on 01.05.2012 3:23 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 3:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: nickyfour92
he doesn't want to convert people to MLG
Posted by: nickyfour92
a generation of gamers who love eSports and those gamers will pass it on to their kids.
Doesn't that kind of contradict it?
MLG = eSports
Wanting everyone to love eSports = Wanting everyone to love MLG


No, it does not. MLG is a very, very small part of the eSports community. Halo is the only game that relies on it for survival in terms of competition..

And how is people who love eSports passing it on to their kids converting? That's simply passing on a tradition. My Dad is a Greek Orthodox Chrisitian, he didn't convert me, I simply grew up with those beliefs.

Edit: That was the wrong interview, looking for the right one.

[Edited on 01.05.2012 3:24 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 3:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: nickyfour92
No, it does not. MLG is a very, very small part of the eSports community.
The point was more that it's a eSport, not that it's ALL eSports.Posted by: nickyfour92
And how is people who love eSports passing it on to their kids converting?
I don't see how it isn't.
Lets say you're brought up in a enviroment that believes red and blue are the same colour, now you could contest that but since everyone believes it you're converted to that belief.

You now believe red and blue are the same colour, although you instinctively believed they are not.

[Edited on 01.05.2012 3:29 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 3:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Louis Vuitton
Nobody is trying to argue MLG is the "one" form of Halo. It is however the competitive norm, which is a fact.
It's actually a more common argument than you'd think.
People also argue that it's the ONLY way to play the game competitively.
Which I also detest.

It might create the best atmosphere as it sees it but that doesn't mean it's the best atmosphere period.


I've never seen anyone say that.

I've seen it argued it is the best suited form of Halo for competition, which is true. But I've never seen anyone try to argue that MLG is the only way to play.

  • 01.05.2012 3:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: nickyfour92
But I've never seen anyone try to argue that MLG is the only way to play.
Wasn't there an example earlier?
People wanting to ban Infection and Slayer (was it?) because not enough people were playing MLG or because it wasn't "the right way to play Halo" or some other nonesense like that?

Of course I haven't seen said thread myself but several people said something along those lines exactly so I assume such a thread not existing would be highly unlikely.

  • 01.05.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: nickyfour92
No, it does not. MLG is a very, very small part of the eSports community.
The point was more that it's a eSport, not that it's ALL eSports.Posted by: nickyfour92
And how is people who love eSports passing it on to their kids converting?
I don't see how it isn't.
Lets say you're brought up in a enviroment that believes red and blue are the same colour, now you could contest that but since everyone believes it you're converted to that belief.

You now believe red and blue are the same colour, although you instinctively believed they are not.


You said MLG = eSports

I assumed by putting the "s" on eSports you were insinuating that MLG encompassed all of eSports.

Converting involves changing. If you simply pass on the tradition of watching eSports to your kid, you aren't changing him. Regardless, MLG's goal is not to convert people or get people who don't even play games to start watching.

  • 01.05.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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I've just hated MLG for the impact and mindset it's had on multiplayer gaming.

How competitive balance to so many people is the only thing that matters and that anyone who doesn't agree is open to all manner of insults and harassing.

Actual MLG players themselves are probably nice people. But their fanbase is a terrible group of people overall from my interaction with them. They developed quite the reputation in such a short amount of time. It's not just, "a small minority" their community has a sizeable amount of jerks because that type of mindset is very appealing to someone who would be a jerk.

[Edited on 01.05.2012 3:37 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 3:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: nickyfour92
But I've never seen anyone try to argue that MLG is the only way to play.
Wasn't there an example earlier?
People wanting to ban Infection and Slayer (was it?) because not enough people were playing MLG or because it wasn't "the right way to play Halo" or some other nonesense like that?

Of course I haven't seen said thread myself but several people said something along those lines exactly so I assume such a thread not existing would be highly unlikely.


Very few people actually believe that. The few you've seen post it are probably the only people who actually believe that MLG is the only way to play. You have to be stupid to believe that, and the MLG community has some stupid people in it just like every community.

  • 01.05.2012 3:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cpl Crosseyes
How competitive balance to so many people is the only thing that matters and that anyone who doesn't agree is open to all manner of insults and harassing.


It isn't the only thing that matters, but it should still be on the mind's of developers.

With Reach for example, the fact that the option to remove bloom was not implemented at the start of the game was a complete smack in the face to the competitive community.

They could have easily put it in the game and we will never know why they didn't.

If you could put in customizable options that could make the game more competitive while still allowing playlists to have normal Halo settings, then why not do it?

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Posted by: nickyfour92
Very few people actually believe that. The few you've seen post it are probably the only people who actually believe that MLG is the only way to play. You have to be stupid to believe that, and the MLG community has some stupid people in it just like every community.
The few I've seen post about it actually detested the idea.

Using it in an example much like this.
At some point in this very thread in fact.

  • 01.05.2012 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: nickyfour92

Posted by: Cpl Crosseyes
How competitive balance to so many people is the only thing that matters and that anyone who doesn't agree is open to all manner of insults and harassing.


It isn't the only thing that matters, but it should still be on the mind's of developers.

With Reach for example, the fact that the option to remove bloom was not implemented at the start of the game was a complete smack in the face to the competitive community.

They could have easily put it in the game and we will never know why they didn't.

If you could put in customizable options that could make the game more competitive while still allowing playlists to have normal Halo settings, then why not do it?
It is in the mind of developers obviously. Bloom was an intricate part of the game that they balanced everything around. The whole triangle of AR/Pistol/DMR was what they put the most work into and in regular Slayer was very well balanced. DMR's only showed flaws of bloom but that's not what the game was originally built around.

A sizeable amount of MLG fans wanted everything to go into balancing their gametype. And if they didn't get their way prepare for flames.

  • 01.05.2012 3:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: nickyfour92

Posted by: Lies
MLGs goal is simply to get money from people watching people play video games, the goal of the MLG community is to convert anyone who doesn't love MLG, that's hardly tolerant now is it?
No, that wouldn't be tolerant. Good thing it's not at all true. Of course they want to become as popular as possible, but that's a far cry from trying to convert everyone to their style of play.


To solidify this point:

Interview with Sundance where he states specifically that he doesn't want to convert people to MLG, but instead simply wants to create a generation of gamers who love eSports and those gamers will pass it on to their kids.


Scratch that, this is the correct interview

[Edited on 01.05.2012 3:44 PM PST]

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Posted by: nickyfour92
With Reach for example, the fact that the option to remove bloom was not implemented at the start of the game was a complete smack in the face to the competitive community.

If you could put in customizable options that could make the game more competitive while still allowing playlists to have normal Halo settings, then why not do it?
I concur with these assertions.

They would be nice to have options but the developer has no obligation to put said options in or are insulting a community in any way by not doing so.

If they're just going to put in the options to rebalance the whole game what would be the point of spending so much money on those sandbox designers?

Wouldn't it make more sense to release a unbalanced game and allow the population to balance it for you?

They're justified in the reasoning for not allowing players to just fiddle about with the formula.
Esspecially considering all those hours spent trying to create a perfect balance, if everyone just said "make the magnum one shot" and they did then their whole effort would have been for naught.

  • 01.05.2012 3:42 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

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Posted by: nickyfour92

Posted by: Cpl Crosseyes
How competitive balance to so many people is the only thing that matters and that anyone who doesn't agree is open to all manner of insults and harassing.


It isn't the only thing that matters, but it should still be on the mind's of developers.

With Reach for example, the fact that the option to remove bloom was not implemented at the start of the game was a complete smack in the face to the competitive community.

They could have easily put it in the game and we will never know why they didn't.

If you could put in customizable options that could make the game more competitive while still allowing playlists to have normal Halo settings, then why not do it?


Yeah, I was disappointed at the lack of custom game options, and the amount of them removed from Halo 3, without any reason.

  • 01.05.2012 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Madmaxepic
Yeah, I was disappointed at the lack of custom game options, and the amount of them removed from Halo 3, without any reason.
There wasn't really that many removed from Halo 3.

... only ones I can think of is Shield Vampirism.
And although it is a nice feature it was almost never used.

  • 01.05.2012 3:46 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!


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Posted by: Madmaxepic
Yeah, I was disappointed at the lack of custom game options, and the amount of them removed from Halo 3, without any reason.
There wasn't really that many removed from Halo 3.

... only ones I can think of is Shield Vampirism.
And although it is a nice feature it was almost never used.


They took out instant kill and invulnerability to, I believe.

I used both a lot.

  • 01.05.2012 3:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Madmaxepic
They took out instant kill and invulnerability to, I believe.

I used both a lot.
Really?
I could have sworn we still had those.

Then again I haven't made a gametype in a long time.

  • 01.05.2012 3:50 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Madmaxepic
They took out instant kill and invulnerability to, I believe.

I used both a lot.
Really?
I could have sworn we still had those.

Then again I haven't made a gametype in a long time.


I know for sure that instant kill is gone, I'm not as sure about invulnerability. I had to give 300% damage, no shields, 10% damage resistance to get my pistol gametype to work at all like it did in Halo 3. It worked better in 3.

  • 01.05.2012 3:55 PM PDT