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If this only happened to me I would agree that it would most likely be as people keep suggesting lag, but it doesn't.

In fact it happens to at least one other to whome I conect to in order to play some of these games, and their connection is faster than my own supposedly.

But even if that were the case it doesn't explain how it is possible to be shooting a player emptying a whole gun into it just for that player to turn around and blam blam your dead.

In fact on one game, only one that I can recall my score was the highest in the game out of all the players, so I wondered if by some chance someone had hacked my xbox and was controlling things for me, joke, but the armour of the opponents was so bad that I to were able to kill them with only a few shots, I found this odd.

However it is usually the opposite and yes my gaming skills may suck on matchmaking but in the game itself I do ok, I have been through the game a few times with and without skulls on.

I have invited other players into a campaign game at the level at which I and another play at only to be told we play at a level that is way to hard for them to play at so they leave, the point is, if my game play is so bad why is it that on campaign it is not such a big problem?

I don't expect to be top dog, but at the level of gaming which I do play the game at one would expect to at least give other players a run for their money.

However this does not seem to be the case.

It could well be lag but if so why would this occur to others using a different connectivity system which is supposedly a faster system than my own?

Also the maps changing as they do, it's all very odd.

  • 01.09.2012 2:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: VeiledDolphin3


the maps changing is because one player in the lobby could not load a certain map or you could not load the map so the game changes it..

and like i said before, if you empty a clip and they don't die yet you do instantly that's 100% lag... what setup do you have for internet?

  • 01.09.2012 4:00 AM PDT

I think he is just unloading a whole AR clip into them at medium range then while he's reloading they turn around and BR him to death. Or a nade+ BR.

  • 01.09.2012 5:48 AM PDT


Posted by: VeiledDolphin3
If this only happened to me I would agree that it would most likely be as people keep suggesting lag, but it doesn't.

In fact it happens to at least one other to whome I conect to in order to play some of these games, and their connection is faster than my own supposedly.

But even if that were the case it doesn't explain how it is possible to be shooting a player emptying a whole gun into it just for that player to turn around and blam blam your dead.



This is classic lag! I don't know how many people need to give you the same answer before you accept the truth, everything you have described is classic lag and nothing else.

The example you have REPEATEDLY given where you empty a clip from whatever gun is LAG. It does not matter that you play with someone who has an excellent connection, or "faster". I have the top rated ISP in the country, along with there top tier connection speed, and I still experience lag from time to time.

I have emptied an entire clip in someone only to have them turn around and shoot me dead in a matter of seconds, this is lag. When you experience this, it is because the game is displaying incorrect information. You are in fact not actually emptying a clip in the opponent, it just looks like you are.

  • 01.09.2012 8:40 AM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

Also, your connection speed really doesn't matter so much as the consistency. Also, the HOST matters, not your connection. Basically, what you're saying is "It can't be lag, because it's happened to someone else before! They must be cheating somehow!" This isn't CoD, range matters when you spray with an AR. This is what I think happened: You try to kill someone with an AR. They turn and Nade-BR you. You scream about lag. When this hapens 10-15 games in a row, you decide that they must just be cheating. And since your friend sometimes gets killed in the same way, it can't be lag! .....Right?

  • 01.09.2012 9:37 AM PDT

Breaking barriers.

Your connection speed doesn';t matter whent he host lives far away from you.

  • 01.09.2012 10:03 AM PDT

Ok so lets say it is lag how can this be fixed?

My isp is supposed to be one of the best in the country bosting the fastest networks using the best systems supposedly.

Is there a fix for this and why does it seem to only happen on halo 3, mind you I haven't checked lately for the other games but I don't recall it happening to them.

  • 01.10.2012 4:50 AM PDT

Cheat codes for halo? at the main menu push A,Y,B,down,right to unlock invincibility. Seriously though there is no cheat codes for halo.

  • 01.10.2012 6:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: VeiledDolphin3
Ok so lets say it is lag how can this be fixed?

My isp is supposed to be one of the best in the country bosting the fastest networks using the best systems supposedly.

Is there a fix for this and why does it seem to only happen on halo 3, mind you I haven't checked lately for the other games but I don't recall it happening to them.



it's not your connection necessarily, but just the hosts connection, like if your playing on a stupid mexicans host, the game will most likely be red or if your lucky, yellow bar at best.

  • 01.10.2012 1:06 PM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

If the problem is your connection, is it DSL? That's the best you can use for gaming.

  • 01.10.2012 5:00 PM PDT

Well thanks to all who have responded on this matter, not sure I would agree that there are no cheats available especially as others have offered me them, unless they have been attempting to misslead me of course.

I have noticed a slight difference since posting this the game appears to move better and so far I haven't come accross any more two shot deaths but then I haven't linked up to the person I usually link to so it may all change when I do.

But the one thing that has remained is for someone having the ability to change the map on matchmaking at will, only the other night I was playing and the count down moved very rapid after the map changed twice, it didn't seem like any kind of lag but after this change took place the game play changed rapidly from me getting what I would call a reasonable score to scoring really bad.

Ok for some scoring 11 may not be good but for me I was impressed to actually score so well consistently right up until that point.

Came back to the game the following night and again consistent reasonable scoring up until something happened again scores dropped off dramatically, and the maps are constantly putting up the same maps over and over.

Why won't the computer select some of the other great maps rather constantly putting up the same maps over and over?

Any way thanks all for your help.

  • 01.12.2012 3:28 AM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

Okay. You don't seem to get this, so I'll point it out again.
You CANNOT change the maps at will. It's not possible. It's not possible. I'll say it one more time: It's not possible. The maps change for a number of reasons:
1. Someone doesn't have the associated map pack
2. Someone's disk is damaged
3. Someone quits out and causes the map to change
4. The host quits
You're probably getting the same maps because you don't have the map pack or your disk is messed up. Got that?
Next, cheat codes DO NOT EXIST for this game. It isn't 2002 anymore; cheat codes are rarely implemented in games these days, and certainly not in the multiplayer component. The people who offered you cheat codes were probably just having a laugh. The only cheats in Halo (to the best of my knowledge) are:
Host booting/bridging (which is only used at high level, and very rarely)
Aimbotting (incredibly rare; in nearly 5000 matches I have never seen evidence of an aimbot
Modding, which is the rarest form of cheating, because it involves actually changing the code of the game or editing something during online play. I believe several active Halo 3 forum members mod the campaign, which is perfectly legitimate, since they're changing only their experience and no one else's.
Finally, the two-shot kills you mentioned are definitely the product of lag. This game is online, online games lag all the time. Any other questions?

[Edited on 01.12.2012 7:39 AM PST]

  • 01.12.2012 7:39 AM PDT

Actually yes I do have another question, and thanks for your reply.

I understand that it is probably lag as you say as so many people seem to think it is this lag issue, but could this be fixed?

I thought my game was getting better for at certain times since posting this info seaker my game started to improve, however I have also noticed that it seems very little to do with my gaming skills and more to do with which country (and I note because of the accents of the people talking) i'm playing against.

For example; UK my game is ok and my play is roughly much the same as those talking around the 11 to 16 mark, in fact I have only been able to judge between the USA and UK or spanish speaking players, I noted that it tends to be roughly even, however except for (and this is in no way making any claims of unfairness) the USA players when I play against these my score tends to be around the 1 or usually max out at 5.

Now when I look at their game stats their skill level is supposedly 1 or perhaps lower, but yet they score so high.

How is this possible could this be lag also?

If it were this would make good sense, as I say except for late into the early mornings when playing against USA players my score tends to be very bad so bad some times they have actually become quite frustrated with my bad score.

I get in the first shot using the same gun they have my aim is true my attack strong, but almost always I lose this face on face one on one or from time to time I may draw with both being killed, so if it is lag how can this be fixed so I might actually stand a real chance against the people I play?

As for the maps changing, why only yesterday the computer selected all players 8 in total, counted down then zap map changed, then map changed again all players remained the same, but went right back to the old trusted same old game, but with no count down just streight in.

These issues usually start off with a host change the box says network difficulties something about host then my game goes to hell and the american accents kick in often the profanity and name calling and such, i'm sure it is meant in good fun but sometimes they do get a bit out of hand, but hey this is supposed to be for adults right.

Are there so few gamers outside of the USA for this game that it always ends up with the host sending the connection there?

Could it be that the USA hosting computers are better at handling the game than other countries hosting computers?

I wonder how USA gamers do against japanese gamers as the japanese are supposed to use the best of everything aren't they?

I mean if it is lag then clearly those within the lag issue zones don't stand a chance of ever completing this online game parts do they?

  • 01.13.2012 3:03 AM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

The people you see at skill of 1 are actually really, really good players making new accounts for the fun of it. It's incredibly annoying when you're new to an old game, but when you show up 4 years late to the party, it's to be expected. Based on what you've said, it sounds like you're from the UK. Supposedly, the connection to most games, not just Halo, sucks if you're in the UK. I don't know what to tell you about that though, as I'm US. When you play with other UK players, you're connecting with your own country and it works fine. However, US does in general have the best connection (no idea why) and they generally get host. However, a better connection having host isn't usually a problem....unless you're in a different country. Here's a list of best to worst internet connections:
US
UK
Mexico
Japan
Everywhere Else
Mine
Just kidding. Japan's host is actually really bad, which I assume has to do with them being so far away, because H3 operates on a peer-to-peer network. Probably the maps are changing because it's *your* disk that's messed up. As far as you dying when you shoot an enemy with the same weapon they have, I doubt you're taking into account things such as strafe and range. Try watching this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeA_kylagY
Nice out-BR followed by a ninja. It must have seemed to both those guys that they should have gotten a kill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3JlyWOcmnM
Here's another where it must have seemed to that guy that he just got destroyed for no reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVHE3YZxogg
Regardless of if this is Ogre 2 or not, this was a ridiculous out-BR.
As you can see, this isn't even lag. This is murder. That's probably what's happening to you.

  • 01.13.2012 9:19 AM PDT

Is the OP for real?! I feel as if by reading this thread my intelligence level has been compromised.

OP, there is absolutely NO Cheat Codes available for this game. The only form of cheating that occurs in Halo 3 is the standard Hostbooting/IP Flooding. These processes will do a few things to players. It will either boot you from the game and return you to lobby, or make the gameplay extremely laggy. When you are in a game, press the select button to pull up the players in game. On the right hand side of each players name you will see a vertical bar which indicates the players connection. It should show everyone fully green, but if you are experiencing lag, it will show up either yellow or red at its most severe state. The next time you experience the "full clip machine gun incident without the player dying" press and hold the select button to see if there is an issue with the host connection.

As someone stated prior, post a video on your fileshare so that we can have a better understanding of what you are experiencing.

  • 01.13.2012 9:39 AM PDT

swvjdirector
PuRpLe TuRtLe7

All the replies have been most enlightening but these two have shed even more light on this problem for me, thanks a lot.

Yes often when I find these problems I have noticed when I press the select button the names are in red or some other but very rarely in green.

I didn't know what that was all about so now I have a much better understanding of what is going on, also I noticed that it parties me up a couple of steps without any kind of notification the only way I find out is when I cut away from the game and shut down.

It is all making perfect sense now thanks a lot.

And yes I am in the UK I have noted also that when I play against other UK players my score is pretty much avarage, but the US as I said my game is very bad.

This to makes good sense as if the USA uses the best then clearly I will never get to the point of ever beating them.

I suppose they will just have to get used to my bad playing and my lack of top quality equipment that I have no control over.

It does make for a one sided game though hardly fair is it!

But thanks a lot you guys have really made this issue make sense, perhaps the only way to have a fair game on this is to put in some kind of stabalising to enable all players the same chance of winning.

And yes the video that swvjdirector provided the link to is exactly what happens to me often brrr brrr i'm dead while i'm emptying my br time after time into the other player and they don't die.

Some times the grenades don't go off I'm throwing duds or rockets that don't go off either odd that but it makes good sense now, no fix but hey I understand it better.



  • 01.14.2012 6:28 AM PDT

Ah just one other thing, i've also noted that the radar circle from time to time shows no player then out of nowhere they appear, I know of the tactic of standing still to not show up but when they appear from an open section of the game even if I have someone else watching my radar for me to simply whack me in the back and kill me off, didn't make much sense, but now it does.

I wonder if these issues have been addressed in other games?

I like the H3 game it seems better somehow than the others but I can't put my finger on what it is that is better, perhaps I need to give the other games more of a chance if they have fixed this problem by putting in some stabalising to even up the games more.


  • 01.14.2012 6:40 AM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

The radar thing is due to them crouch-walking, which also makes you invisible. Also, you're perfectly capable of beating US players. No offense, but based on your comments, you are very new to Halo and probably know very little about the gameplay so far. This game takes years to master, if ever. If you want to find games with good connection, when you are the lobby, before starting a search but you have a playlist selected, press X and selct "good connection". This will take longer to find players, but will allow you to find games with less lag.

Related to the clips I showed you, this is called an out-BR. It basically means that someone got the first shot on you, and you still killed them. The BR can kill in 4 bursts if they all connect. Here's an example:
You are running along a corridor when someone shoots you in the back with a BR. You turn and get shot again before you can do anything. You proceed to get 3 perfect shots in a row while they miss their next 2. You then shoot them again and kill them. This is an out-BR. Be sure to mention it in the postgame lobby with lots of "YOU SUCK" and "GET OUT BR'ED YOU TRASH BK". Just kidding.

  • 01.14.2012 11:34 AM PDT

Yes i've been called many names, i'm sure they are just getting way to engrossed in the game to realise what is comming out of their mouth.

Anyway the things you mention I have no problem with, but what is irritating is how bad the connection gets, but without some kind of explanation it really does look as though someone is cheating, clearly they are not.

I have been watching the virtical bar a lot while I was playing lately and found that many players that seem to be losing a lot seem to suffer from this problem, quite a lot of the time the bar goes into the red and the player hardly moves the games stalls for the person with the red bar but the game carries on around them while they are getting shot at.

I tried to help another player get the skulls but found the connection between us so bad it was almost impossible, needless to say it was game over for that adventure after the first skull.

Anyway thanks for all your help much appreciated.

Oh and yes I do ok not the best but ok while the bar is in the green when it goes into the red my game falls apart rapidly.

  • 01.16.2012 3:50 AM PDT

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  • 01.16.2012 4:47 PM PDT

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MBU
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Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.

I love reading about how 10 year olds think that someone is cheating when it's actually lag lol.

  • 01.16.2012 6:42 PM PDT

It's not moronic if you don't know, how else would you find out unless you ask people who are more experienced in that which you are using?

I should imagine you didn't know until somone told you or are you a bungie employee?

The only way to find out something is to ask, some times a question can be in the form of an accusation based on information provided by those not in the know giving the opportunity for those with the knowledge the right to reply and set the record streight.

There are other ways of gaining the info but they take much longer and probably many months of studying the ins and outs of how the internet and networking functions especially gaming works.

By far the easiest and less time consuming is to simply ask and hopefully the most important parts of the info has been handed down to those that over the years have asked the same question time and time again.

I am not a computer expert but clearly there are some on here that are so for them the question is a simple one to answer, the information they have imparted to me will be passed on to those that ask me the same question, they will not be morons but people that don't know as I didn't, as I now understand it I can pass this info on to others that don't and that don't take part in this forum.

It is not moronic it is gaining knowledge for without questions we would not have games among other things.










  • 01.17.2012 4:05 AM PDT

Multijirachi

And how did you find out it was lag or that lag existed?

Perhaps a lesson we could all learn on how to explore something without a guide.

  • 01.17.2012 4:08 AM PDT
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Agreed but it is moronic to dispute the evidence which is clearly presented to you via multiple trustworthy sources and still cling on to your misguided idea that there may be foul work at play or some glitch that no one has ever told you about/shown you in 2K+ games of Halo 3.

  • 01.17.2012 4:21 AM PDT

Were that the case I would agree but it was not.

For one you have to first discover if the info being supplied is of a trust worthy nature, then when you are satisfied you can then and only then accept that which is being provided to you.

You don't just accept anything and everything said to you else you would never get to the truth about anything.

In this case not everyone has been forthcoming with useful information, and not always in a way that makes it believable.

So in order to discover the real situation I had to take onoard what had been said, explore that which had been said to me and ask more questions until the correct info was produced.

Now, I clearly acknowledged those (or at least I hope I did) that gave the most useful information but also acknowledge even those that gave information in a manner which was not perticularly friendly.

But it would be moronic to accept everything without first exploring what had been said and it would also be moronic just to accept without any form of further questioning to see if they understood their own info they are providing and not just repeating without any true evedence for their explanations.

You can repeat something told you but you may not understand it and there may not be any truth in that which you repeat.

Now I have explored that which was said to me and found it to be sound information what is so bad about that?

It was only swvjdirector PuRpLe TuRtLe7 who provided (as far as I can recall) the most indepth info for me to explore at all points of the game that made is clear as to exactly what was going on, which Im sure I thanked them for.

And since have used their info many times to explore how my game was progressing.

Had they not provided this info I would still be wondering why it would be the game played well sometimes but not so other times.

The point is quality of info, It is not good enough just to say, "oh it's lag" but not explain what lag is or how to fix it or if it can be fixed at all, I now have a better understanding of what i'm dealing with, and truth be known probably some others that have read this have probably discovered one or two things about what it is also, but were afraid to ask for fear of ridicule.

So I don't see it as being moronic to ask questions and I don't see it moronic to explore the answers in order to get a better understanding even if that means asking the same question in a different way.

It just means the answers were not thorough enough to satisfy what you wanted to know.

However in this case the questions have been thoroughly answered to my satisfaction and my exploration of the asnwers have proven them to be correct.

Which is why I thanked all those concerned for their help.




  • 01.17.2012 4:46 AM PDT

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