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Subject: Why can't reach models be used as b.net avatars?
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
There is like 10x the customization options for Halo Reach than on Halo 3. Not including all the different color variations to add to all the armors.
That's completely irrelevent.

  • 01.05.2012 3:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
There is like 10x the customization options for Halo Reach than on Halo 3. Not including all the different color variations to add to all the armors.
That's completely irrelevent.


Uh, not it isn't. Halo Reach has a MASSIVE amount of customization and all that has to be loaded separatly. It puts a massive strain on the system to load it all. (at least that is what I understand).

  • 01.05.2012 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Count how many possible variations of Reach avatars there are. Then scale that with the number of potential users.

Add in the strain of the forums would put on the avatar renderer, and it just isn't worth it.
Ah I see

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Achronos
Count how many possible variations of Reach avatars there are. Then scale that with the number of potential users.

Add in the strain of the forums would put on the avatar renderer, and it just isn't worth it.
But you already have them rendered ...
See.

Yeah, and since my car already has power, why won't my car power my full sized fridge? I DON'T UNDERSTAND!?

But about coup, I tried it before, it made the pages WAY to laggy.


Just ignore all, then you can only see yours and there's no lag.

But you see, I also feel so much cooler since I programmed my scripts myself. Using someone else' just makes me... Not as cool as I seem to be to myself right now. Plus, since I already have it working, why bother changing it?

If it's not messed up, don't fix it.

  • 01.05.2012 4:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Uh, not it isn't. Halo Reach has a MASSIVE amount of customization and all that has to be loaded separatly. It puts a massive strain on the system to load it all. (at least that is what I understand).
Yes, and all those images have already been loaded, that is why you can see them on our stats pages.

That is why it's irrelevant.

  • 01.05.2012 4:11 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Uh, not it isn't. Halo Reach has a MASSIVE amount of customization and all that has to be loaded separatly. It puts a massive strain on the system to load it all. (at least that is what I understand).
Yes, and all those images have already been loaded, that is why you can see them on our stats pages.

That is why it's irrelevant.


They are loaded individually like am arm or a leg piece.

But think about thousands of different combinations used by MILLIONS of users.

  • 01.05.2012 4:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
They are loaded individually like am arm or a leg piece.

But think about thousands of different combinations used by MILLIONS of users.
No they're not, stop saying that.

Ok here.

Notice how your spartan has already been rendered?

  • 01.05.2012 4:25 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
They are loaded individually like am arm or a leg piece.

But think about thousands of different combinations used by MILLIONS of users.
No they're not, stop saying that.

Ok here.

Notice how your spartan has already been rendered?


That is not the same as avatars.

Lets say 24 people all had Reach avatars up.

That is going to be very laggy to load.

  • 01.05.2012 4:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is not the same as avatars.
Yes it is.
It's exactly like an avatar.

An avatar is a picture, that is a picture.

  • 01.05.2012 4:30 PM PDT
Subject: Why can't reach player models be used as b.net avatars?

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Every combination of halo 3 armor is set up in a program that can composite the various pieces together. That's not really hard, just data heavy.

The huge increase and complexity of Reach variations makes this compositing method not possible. And the service record renderer (which runs on the Hydra), while it keeps up now, that has only been the case recently. By the time it became acceptable perf wise to use in the forums, we had moved on from Halo Reach support (which means no new Reach-related features for bungie.net).

Posted by: MURDUR 587
But we can already do them with Halo 3 spartans and there's no issues.


[Edited on 01.05.2012 4:36 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 4:34 PM PDT
Subject: Why can't reach models be used as b.net avatars?

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is not the same as avatars.
Yes it is.
It's exactly like an avatar.

An avatar is a picture, that is a picture.


You load that picture on one page.

The server would have to load a bunch of pictures like that, all different in appearance, color, and armor.

:D

  • 01.05.2012 4:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Every combination of halo 3 armor is set up in a program that can composite the various pieces together. That's not really hard, just data heavy.

The huge increase and complexity of Reach variations makes this not possible. And the service record renderer, while it keeps up now, that has only been the case recently. By the time it became acceptable perf wise to use in the forums, we had moved on from Halo Reach support.

Posted by: MURDUR 587
But we can already do them with Halo 3 spartans and there's no issues.

Did you ever think of letting players maybe just use the helmet instead of the upper body/whole body?

  • 01.05.2012 4:35 PM PDT
Subject: Why can't reach player models be used as b.net avatars?
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Posted by: Achronos
Every combination of halo 3 armor is set up in a program that can composite the various pieces together. That's not really hard, just data heavy.

The huge increase and complexity of Reach variations makes this not possible. And the service record renderer, while it keeps up now, that has only been the case recently. By the time it became acceptable perf wise to use in the forums, we had moved on from Halo Reach support (which means no new Reach-related features for bungie.net).

Posted by: MURDUR 587
But we can already do them with Halo 3 spartans and there's no issues.
Yes I noticed that, I always wondered why you did it though.


As in, why make each avatar indiviually, when you already have the photo of a spartan?

Couldn't you just crop it or something? Is the photo made in a specific way?
It seemed strange to take one photo for the spartan and another for the avatar.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
You load that picture on one page.

The server would have to load a bunch of pictures like that, all different in appearance, color, and armor.

:D
That's not exactly what Achronos meant.
He'd only have to do it once, but he'd have to do it once every time you changed your spartan and for every single member and with all the different combinations starts to become a real pain.

Once the avatar is done he only needs to load the image, putting no real load on the server, on the other hand what confuses me is the distinction with avatar and spartan.

[Edited on 01.05.2012 4:41 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is not the same as avatars.
Yes it is.
It's exactly like an avatar.

An avatar is a picture, that is a picture.
Actually, everyone knows that avatars are special .ava extension and load 1 pixel at a time and have to extract each pixel from the Bungie servers.

That would mean that the system is taking 8,100 pixels from the servers to put them all in your picture.

This would make the servers over-run with binary and then make Bungie.net entirely binary and you wouldn't be able to function with all your processor chips.

[Edited on 01.05.2012 4:40 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 4:39 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Achronos
Every combination of halo 3 armor is set up in a program that can composite the various pieces together. That's not really hard, just data heavy.

The huge increase and complexity of Reach variations makes this not possible. And the service record renderer, while it keeps up now, that has only been the case recently. By the time it became acceptable perf wise to use in the forums, we had moved on from Halo Reach support (which means no new Reach-related features for bungie.net).

Posted by: MURDUR 587
But we can already do them with Halo 3 spartans and there's no issues.
Yes I noticed that, I always wondered why you did it though.


As in, why make each avatar indiviually, when you already have the photo of a spartan?

Couldn't you just crop it or something? Is the photo made in a specific way?


With every possible color armor and color combination?

That would be thousands and thousands of photographs!

You know how much data Bungie would have to store on their end and have to load all that still?

[Edited on 01.05.2012 4:40 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2012 4:39 PM PDT
Subject: Why can't reach models be used as b.net avatars?
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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is not the same as avatars.
Yes it is.
It's exactly like an avatar.

An avatar is a picture, that is a picture.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/PlayerModel.ashx?p1=0&p 2=3&p3=7&p4=3&p5=3&p6=0&p7=21&p8=2&am p;p9=70
^^^ Halo 3 Model. You just change the numbers and it changes the armor. Here's some examples.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/PlayerModel.ashx?p1=0&p 2=5&p3=5&p4=5&p5=3&p6=0&p7=21&p8=2&am p;p9=70
Changed a couple of numbers to 5 and BOOM, I'm wearing Hayabusa.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/PlayerModel.ashx?p1=0&p 2=5&p3=5&p4=5&p5=3&p6=9&p7=21&p8=2&am p;p9=70
Changed 1 number to 9 and I'm yellow!

Now Reach
http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/playermodel.ashx?rpis=t-I1g hdkdnSgCjGWmnG74vFJj-3HFe0bF793bHNq7mg=
^^^ Reach, notice it's encrypted, a screenshot is taken when you play reach, and it gets sent to Bungie.net which encrypts the URL, unlike the old Halo 3 way, which was all handled by parameters in a URL. Let's mess around with the Halo Reach URL and see what we get.

http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/playermodel.ashx?rpis=t-I1g hdkdnSgCjGWmnG74vFJj-5HFe0bF793bHNq7mg=
Changed a 3 to a 5.
http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/playermodel.ashx?rpis=t-G1g hdkdnSgCjGWmnG74vFJj-5HFe0bF793bHNq7mg=
Changed an I to a G.

The player avatars aren't handled the same way between Halo Reach and Halo 3.

  • 01.05.2012 4:40 PM PDT
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I understand what everyone is saying, what I'm actually confused about is why all these gymnastics are really necessary in the first place.

Here's a example, I just went on my profile and downloaded this image.

Now couldn't that just be displayed in place of my current avatar?


I mean, it's a simple PNG image, I don't foresee any real problems with it.

  • 01.05.2012 4:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: MURDUR 587
I understand what everyone is saying, what I'm actually confused about is why all these gymnastics are really necessary in the first place.

Here's a example, I just went on my profile and downloaded this image.

Now couldn't that just be displayed in place of my current avatar?


I mean, it's a simple PNG image, I don't foresee any real problems with it.

If you were a moderator or employee, you'd be able to upload your own avatar, otherwise. No.

  • 01.05.2012 4:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Timmie
If you were a moderator or employee, you'd be able to upload your own avatar, otherwise. No.
But that image is already on the site, it would just have to be assigned to my profile (which it already is) and then set as my avatar.

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Posted by: Madmaxepic
1. Download coup
2. Take screen of Reach model
3. Edit it up to look badass
4. Add it to coup
5. ???
6. Profit!
The problem with that is that coup gives me such a big head ache. So many people use such bright, flashy, contrasting colors that trying to read becomes a nightmare.


Just ignore the bad ones, or if you're to lazy for that, ignore all. That way people see your coup, and you see your coup. Everybody wins!
I used to use Coup way back when it was just the avatars and title bars, but now people have all those ugly DBZ backgrounds and ugly eyesore colors.

You can only ignore so much...

  • 01.05.2012 4:56 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Timmie
If you were a moderator or employee, you'd be able to upload your own avatar, otherwise. No.
But that image is already on the site, it would just have to be assigned to my profile (which it already is) and then set as my avatar.


Yeah but the point is there is more than 1 person loading it.

And, it is a lot for the site to load in terms of data at once.

  • 01.05.2012 4:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Timmie
If you were a moderator or employee, you'd be able to upload your own avatar, otherwise. No.
But that image is already on the site, it would just have to be assigned to my profile (which it already is) and then set as my avatar.

WTF are you talking about?
The url you posted is

http://i.imgur.com/anIdr.png

imgur.com =/= bungie.net

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
I understand what everyone is saying, what I'm actually confused about is why all these gymnastics are really necessary in the first place.

Here's a example, I just went on my profile and downloaded this image.

Now couldn't that just be displayed in place of my current avatar?


I mean, it's a simple PNG image, I don't foresee any real problems with it.
Well, the upload creates a new image for every user by overlaying several images. Although this is also done with the emblem avatars, so I'm not sure why this is a limitation...

  • 01.05.2012 4:59 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: MURDUR 587
I understand what everyone is saying, what I'm actually confused about is why all these gymnastics are really necessary in the first place.

Here's a example, I just went on my profile and downloaded this image.

Now couldn't that just be displayed in place of my current avatar?


I mean, it's a simple PNG image, I don't foresee any real problems with it.
Well, the upload creates a new image for every user by overlaying several images. Although this is also done with the emblem avatars, so I'm not sure why this is a limitation...


Emblems aren't exactly as detailed as armor pieces.

  • 01.05.2012 5:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Timmie
Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Timmie
If you were a moderator or employee, you'd be able to upload your own avatar, otherwise. No.
But that image is already on the site, it would just have to be assigned to my profile (which it already is) and then set as my avatar.

WTF are you talking about?
The url you posted is

http://i.imgur.com/anIdr.png

imgur.com =/= bungie.net
I don't see why you're so confused.
You linked yours earlier.

I just wasn't sure how to get to the page so I downloaded the image and put it on imgur.

  • 01.05.2012 5:04 PM PDT

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