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Posted by: ob1noah
if halo 3 came out for PC would you think it would be successful?
im not saying it will.
no because it would have been no competition for Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare which was a success on all platforms, Halo was only reputable in xbox. Halo 3 seemed to have broke the series' reputation of being one of the best franchises in the industry IMO

  • 01.08.2012 11:44 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: path1k
Posted by: ob1noah
if halo 3 came out for PC would you think it would be successful?
im not saying it will.
no because it would have been no competition for Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Wait wait WAIT. Out of the massive plethora of PC games that could easily stomp a mudhole in Halo 3, the same myriad of games that easily crushed H2V, you think its biggest competition would be CoD4?

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Posted by: path1k
one of the best franchises in the industry


You're not a PC gamer. That explains everything.

  • 01.09.2012 2:00 AM PDT

I can play Halo 2 Vista online.
There are not much people but enough to play a few matches online and there are also alot of servers active.

  • 01.09.2012 2:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sock Mokey
The servers are back up? Well i still can't find any games.

Can confirm I've had no issues, it works fine. Must be your end or a bug (no surprises there)
Yeah before they went down I couldn't find any, but my friends could so it is a problem on my end. However I have no idea what, so if anyone can offer any help/advice I will be grateful.

  • 01.09.2012 9:42 PM PDT

could be bad internet connection. maybe try reinstalling the game. that helps with some games that don't seem to work. or maybe your PC cant handle halo 2 and you have to much memory taken up. that's all i can really say to help

  • 01.10.2012 5:18 AM PDT


Posted by: ob1noah
could be bad internet connection. maybe try reinstalling the game. that helps with some games that don't seem to work. or maybe your PC cant handle halo 2 and you have to much memory taken up. that's all i can really say to help

That has nothing to do with the network as far as I know. And let's not forget the feature to enhance gameplay...5 installs per copy of Halo 2. That, and if the game runs, it should be fine, my guess is network issue or a bug.

  • 01.10.2012 7:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: path1k

Posted by: ob1noah
if halo 3 came out for PC would you think it would be successful?
im not saying it will.
no because it would have been no competition for Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare which was a success on all platforms, Halo was only reputable in xbox. Halo 3 seemed to have broke the series' reputation of being one of the best franchises in the industry IMO


Well H3 garnered way more attention than Halo 2 and held it for a long time as well. COD was the adversary that took over (just a bit) at the time and in 2009 the population started to decline for Halo 3.

Halo 2 didn't have console competition during its days so it's not really valid to claim Halo 3's loss of attention or "reputation" due to fps booming in the latter years of the last decade.


Also Dusk, you say Halo 3 isn't (wasn't) popular? The Halo series is an all-around top 10 fps for sure. Don't know what you're talking about. Oh and "Best in the industry" doesn't solely follow the level of "competitiveness" or "skill required" or whatever it is you think defines fps gaming.



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Posted by: Ben2974
"Best in the industry" doesn't solely follow the level of "competitiveness" or "skill required" or whatever it is you think defines fps gaming.
It does in PC gaming. That's why Counter-Strike is much more popular than CoD for example.
Posted by: path1k
Halo was only reputable in xbox.
Again you show that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the PC platform. Halo PC actually sold quite well. It was even #1 on Xfire's top games in January 2004. That's even with the bad netcode.

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  • 01.10.2012 10:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Ben2974
"Best in the industry" doesn't solely follow the level of "competitiveness" or "skill required" or whatever it is you think defines fps gaming.
It does in PC gaming. That's why Counter-Strike is much more popular than CoD for example.


But PC gaming isn't the only source of FPS gaming. Ah, now I think you guys will see my point. Industry > PC = xbox = PS3 = Wii = etc..

And what you said tells the rest of the world that PC gamers are biased (just like the rest may be) and that they ALSO feel some sort of birthright or something to the fps genre making them feel that whatever doesn't fit the PC platform is not a fit fps game. That's ALL invalid. End of story.

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We're talking specifically about the PC platform.

Posted by: Ben2974
And what you said tells the rest of the world that PC gamers are biased (just like the rest may be) and that they ALSO feel some sort of birthright or something to the fps series making them feel that whatever doesn't fit the PC platform is not a fit fps game. That's ALL invalid. End of story.
The FPS genre was born on this platform and it's the only platform that doesn't have to resort to things like aim assist to make playing FPS games plausible. We do have a right to the FPS genre when it comes to competitive gaming. We're the platform that has the proper tools to play FPS games.

You were a gamer when things like aim assist, large hitboxes, and bullet magnetism were the norm. When slower movement speeds were somehow seen as making a game "tactical" whereas games with higher movement speeds somehow didn't have the same amount of tactical skill involved. That's the reason you don't understand this.

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  • 01.10.2012 10:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx
We're talking specifically about the PC platform.


Mmk well "industry" doesn't just mean PC and that's what was being addressed.

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Posted by: Ben2974

Posted by: Dr Syx
We're talking specifically about the PC platform.


Mmk well "industry" doesn't just mean PC and that's what was being addressed.
We were addressing the PC gaming industry, not the gaming industry in general.

  • 01.10.2012 11:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx
We're talking specifically about the PC platform.

Posted by: Ben2974
And what you said tells the rest of the world that PC gamers are biased (just like the rest may be) and that they ALSO feel some sort of birthright or something to the fps series making them feel that whatever doesn't fit the PC platform is not a fit fps game. That's ALL invalid. End of story.
The FPS genre was born on this platform and it's the only platform that doesn't have to resort to things like aim assist to make playing FPS games plausible. We do have a right to the FPS genre when it comes to competitive gaming. We're the platform that has the proper tools to play FPS games.

You were a gamer when things like aim assist, large hitboxes, and bullet magnetism were the norm. When slower movement speeds were somehow seen as making a game "tactical" whereas games with higher movement speeds somehow didn't have the same amount of tactical skill involved. That's the reason you don't understand this.



errr no.

1. Aim assist isn't required to make a console fps "plausible". It's called marketing.
2. I never talked about "rights to competitive gaming". And what exactly does that mean when you say that the PC has the "proper tools" to play fps games? That's absurd. Or are you referring to the whole aim assist = not competitive thing (which I bet you are since you just said PC gamers are all about competition)? No, again you're thinking that Competition = fps gaming. Maybe for PC, but not for the industry
3. I was NOT a gamer when things like "aim assist . . ." were the norm. I'm actually relatively new to the fps thing (2002 or so) and always played mmorpgs (PC) and classics for the n64. To me, there was no difference between m/kb and controller because frankly I did both so neither is odd for me.
4. I understand where you're coming from with the whole "competitive" thing. full-blown PC gamers are just as biased. Sorry.

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  • 01.10.2012 11:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Ben2974

Posted by: Dr Syx
We're talking specifically about the PC platform.


Mmk well "industry" doesn't just mean PC and that's what was being addressed.
We were addressing the PC gaming industry, not the gaming industry in general.


Read the first post on this page (path1k).

Halo 3 seemed to have broke the series' reputation of being one of the best franchises in the industry IMO

Is halo 3 on the PC? No. Then dusk proceeds to respond to a portion of this exact quote.

Just like Dusk you are mad biased. It's understandable since you probably grew up with a computer.

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Posted by: Ben2974
errr no.

1. Aim assist isn't required to make a console fps "plausible". It's called marketing.
What!? Aim assist is "marketing"? Are you kidding me? No. The reason they created aim assist due to how the controller lacks the precision the mouse has. Even Frankie says the secret to Halo's success was aim assist allowing for controllers to be plausible tools for the genre.
2. I never talked about "rights to competitive gaming". And what exactly does that mean when you say that the PC has the "proper tools" to play fps games? That's absurd. Or are you referring to the whole aim assist = not competitive thing (which I bet you are since you just said PC gamers are all about competition)? No, again you're thinking that Competition = fps gaming. Maybe for PC, but not for the industryWe are talking about competitive FPS games here... We're not talking about FPS games in general. PC gamers tend to be more drawn to actual competitive games, not casual games. That's due to them being a more hardcore audience than console players. The reason it has a more hardcore crowd is due to the high price point on a good gaming PC. No casual player would actually put that much money down on one.

We're talking about the PC gaming industry. You still don't even understand what this discussion is about. This is about whether or not Halo 3/Reach/CEA will do good/what it needs to be good on the PC platform. You're the one that's confused on what the topic is about.
3. I was NOT a gamer when things like "aim assist . . ." were the norm. I'm actually relatively new to the fps thing (2002 or so) and always played mmorpgs and classics for the n64. To me, there was no difference between m/kb and controller because frankly I did both so neither is odd for me.2001 is when Halo: Combat Evolved released. That's when aim assist was invented. I was completely right in saying that you were a FPS gamer when aim assist was the norm. It's as if you just said "I was NOT a gamer when that was normal, I was a FPS gamer directly AFTER it became normal."
4. I understand where you're coming from with the whole "competitive" thing. full-blown PC gamers are just as biased. Sorry.Everybody is biased. You're biased. I'm biased. Calling out people for being biased is like calling out people for having skin. PC gamers are biased towards games that have a higher skill gap for competitive gaming and console players are biased towards games that aren't built for competitive play, but make them feel like they're "MLG Pro". Sorry.

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Posted by: Ben2974

Read the first post on this page (path1k).
You read it again. He's talking about how well it did on the console and saying it would translate over to the PC market. It's still about whether or not it would do well in the PC industry. -_-'

Just like Dusk you are mad biased. It's understandable since you probably grew up with a computer.... I grew up with a computer so therefore I'm biased, eh? I grew up with both PC and console. How are you not biased? Do you honestly put yourself on a high horse believing you have no bias?

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  • 01.10.2012 11:28 AM PDT

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1. Exactly. But it's still "plausible" to work. YOu even said it yourself in another thread that if aim assist was taken off the skill gap would become much bigger in the console Halos. It's not impossible to aim at all. With aim assist, the skill gap is lowered and helps noobs get along with the game better, hence a good proportion of the population are casual players that can enjoy an fps because they can succeed to a certain extent.

2. That's great that the PC has more hardcore gamers. There are also hardcore gamers on xbox.
3. But you assume here that I didn't played any PC FPS games in 2002 and onward! Do not assume my friend!
4. Yes, everybody is biased. However, I do not agree when you people talk about the level of competitiveness being taken down a notch due to aim assist. The other Halos were pretty darn competitive. I believe you said it yourself earlier in that other thread claiming that it still takes skill to be "ridiculously good" at the Halos on the xbox. And the "ridiculously good" is where the competition's at.

Anyway, even if this thread was directed towards the PC industry, it doesn't hurt to clear these things out of the way because these ideas were essentially being challenged throughout many previous threads and arguments.

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  • 01.10.2012 11:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx

Read the first post on this page (path1k).[/quote]You read it again. He's talking about how well it did on the console and saying it would translate over to the PC market. It's still about whether or not it would do well in the PC industry. -_-'


Then read Dusk's troll response about him not being a PC gamer. And then my response was to that exactly. He criticized the Halo series as a whole simply because it was on the console and competed with COD (which pathik described as the xbox version) So from there I take the whole thing and bring it up to the industry as a whole, and not just the PC since that wasn't being critiqued.

and....wait a second. That's not at all what path1k said. He was talking about how it ]b]wouldn't[/b] succeed on the pc and that call of duty would dominate it in the PC version as it started to do on the console. Dusk picks at path1k calling him, essentially, a "console kiddie".

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Posted by: Ben2974
1. Exactly. But it's still "plausible" to work. YOu even said it yourself in another thread that if aim assist was taken off the skill gap would become much bigger in the console Halos. It's not impossible to aim at all. With aim assist, the skill gap is lowered and helps noobs get along with the game better, hence a good proportion of the population are casual players that can enjoy an fps because they can succeed to a certain extent.
I then proceeded to say later on that it would still be considerably lower than PC gaming seeing as though the controller is completely gimped and there's only a certain limit of precision you can possibly get out of the controller. It would definitely still be lacking against the wide ranged skill gap the keyboard/mouse have to them. Why use terrible equipment when you could use high quality equipment that needs no crutches? Console gamers love their crutches and ignore that they exist.

2. That's great that the PC has more hardcore gamers. There are also hardcore gamers on xbox.If they were so hardcore then why would they possibly be okay with having games that have things such as aim assist, large hitboxes, and slower movement speeds? They might be "hardcore" but they have terrible taste in competitive games.
3. But you assume here that I didn't played any PC FPS games in 2002 and onward! Do not assume my friend!I didn't assume that. You assumed that I was talking about if you played any PC games that didn't have that. I was meaning you were into FPS games when major leagues thought it was perfectly fine to have things such as aim assist and large hitboxes. Do not assume, my friend!
4. Yes, everybody is biased. However, I do not agree when you people talk about the level of competitiveness being taken down a notch due to aim assist.Actually, earlier in this same post you did agree to that... Sort of hypocritical of you there... The other Halos were pretty darn competitive. I believe you said it yourself earlier in that other thread claiming that it still takes skill to be "ridiculously good" at the Halos on the xbox. And the "ridiculously good" is where the competition's at.I said it takes some amount of skill to be good at them. What I then proceeded to say was that it doesn't take nearly as much skill as many other games that do NOT have things such as large hitboxes, aim assist, bullet magnetism, slower movement speeds, etc.

Anyway, even if this thread was directed towards the PC industry It is directed towards that. This is about whether or not Halo 3/Reach/CEA would do good in the PC industry... it doesn't hurt to clear these things out of the way because these ideas were essentially being challenged throughout many previous threads and arguments.It makes no sense to compare things to how they went on the consoles. The PC market is a much different beast than the console market. On the console market you can have a major uproar of people bashing a game for extremely lacking quality before release and still shatter sales records while on the PC older games with higher quality outsell their newer counter-parts due to the low quality product the newer counter-part became. That isn't based off bias either, that's absolute fact.

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  • 01.10.2012 12:03 PM PDT

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nonono. The skillgap will be lowered, but it does not lead to a less competitive game since the people who make the competitive arena are the "ridiculously good" players. having a small skill gap doesn't make for no skill at all. Just means that a lot of people will be able to be "Ok" players (thanks to aim assist). But those average players aren't the 'hardcore' players nor are they the "ridiculously good" players that comprise the mlg/competitive bunch. This goes back all the way to that whole arguing me and dusk had. I guess ^^ is what you all won't accept and since all of the PC arguments stem from "competition", then they'll never understand the other viewpoint.


And yeah, the thread in general is about the PC, but dusk diverged the topic with his response with implications of the 360, and that's what i cracked on.

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Way to talk out of your ass, Ben. I was primarily a console gamer until about 2 years ago.

You're posting from Mount Stupid, again. You'd figure after all the flak you caught after the first few times, you would have stopped posting about subjects you clearly know nothing about.

Halo 2 was ONLY popular on the console. Until its twilight years, FPS games as a whole were still significantly more popular on the PC. Therefore, Halo 2 was not some sort of apex for defining "one of the best in the industry" because it fell short of just about every well-made PC FPS. I guess there's no way you could have known this, being a console gamer, but that's the way it was.

My "troll" response was simply an observation that the first game he named as a sort of primary competition was CoD4, which is actually rather unpopular on the PC compared to many other games. I was essentially showing that people who have very little or no experience PC gaming shouldn't be commenting on PC matters as if they know something. Once again, that's posting from atop Mount Stupid.

I can see why you'd defend him, being a psuedo-PC gamer, but the sooner you yield to people that actually know what they're talking about, the sooner people will be able to take you seriously.

  • 01.10.2012 12:28 PM PDT

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Way to talk out of your ass, Ben. I was primarily a console gamer until about 2 years ago.

You're posting from Mount Stupid, again. You'd figure after all the flak you caught after the first few times, you would have stopped posting about subjects you clearly know nothing about.

Halo 2 was ONLY popular on the console. Until its twilight years, FPS games as a whole were still significantly more popular on the PC. Therefore, Halo 2 was not some sort of apex for defining "one of the best in the industry" because it fell short of just about every well-made PC FPS. I guess there's no way you could have known this, being a console gamer, but that's the way it was.

My "troll" response was simply an observation that the first game he named as a sort of primary competition was CoD4, which is actually rather unpopular on the PC compared to many other games. I was essentially showing that people who have very little or no experience PC gaming shouldn't be commenting on PC matters as if they know something. Once again, that's posting from atop Mount Stupid.

I can see why you'd defend him, being a psuedo-PC gamer, but the sooner you yield to people that actually know what they're talking about, the sooner people will be able to take you seriously.



Dusk, stop trolling. I never mentioned Halo 2 itself, let alone H2V. Screw H2V. Brainless.

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Posted by: Ben2974

Dusk, stop trolling. I never mentioned Halo 2 itself, let alone H2V. Screw H2V. Brainless.
Just because someone has a well-informed opinion that isn't yours doesn't mean they're trolling. DusK isn't trolling at all.

You ought to stop going through life feeling like anyone who disagrees with you is just an -blam!-hole.

Posted by: Ben2974
nonono. The skillgap will be lowered, but it does not lead to a less competitive game
... What the -blam!- is this? "Just because a game doesn't take as much skill doesn't mean it doesn't take as much skill." What the hell kind of reasoning is that? That's exactly what it does.
having a small skill gap doesn't make for no skill at all. Just means that a lot of people will be able to be "Ok" players (thanks to aim assist).I never said "no skill at all". I was saying it took less skill and there's no point in having a game that has a lower skill gap being seen as the dominant competitive game.

But those average players aren't the 'hardcore' players nor are they the "ridiculously good" players that comprise the mlg/competitive bunch.The players I were referring to are the ones that believe aim assist, large hitboxes, slower movement speeds, gimped hardware, etc are okay for competitive gaming. MLG is like that.

This goes back all the way to that whole arguing me and dusk had. I guess ^^ is what you all won't accept and since all of the PC arguments stem from "competition", then they'll never understand the other viewpoint.You don't understand. I support FPS gaming on consoles for casual play. What I don't support is the idea that those casual games should ever be considered competitive juggernauts. This thread is about whether or not it will do good on the PC and the PC community is comprised of mostly competitive players so a game with functions that are aimed at casual gamers will not go over well in the PC market.

And yeah, the thread in general is about the PC, but dusk diverged the topic with his response with implications of the 360, and that's what i cracked on.This thread is completely about Halo 3/Reach/CEA on PC and DusK did not diverge it towards the 360. path1k is the one who started comparing the two and DusK started on about how it wouldn't happen the same way in the PC market as it did for the console market.

DusK is completely right. Stop discussing this like you have any idea what you're talking about. If you're honestly ignorant enough to believe a lower skill gap doesn't mean a game is less skilled then you have no business even pretending like you know what a competitive game is. You're not comprehending anything that either of us are saying what so ever.

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

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I never mentioned H2V either, Ben. I think before you start delving into matters such as gaming and such, it would be a good idea to go back to elementary school and learn to read. :)

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  • 01.10.2012 12:50 PM PDT

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aghh!!! futile to help people understand!

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