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Subject: Halo 2 for Windows vistas servers gone(halo 2 community dieing?)
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Posted by: Ben2974
aghh!!! futile to help people understand!
Thank you for acknowledging our dilemma.

  • 01.10.2012 1:21 PM PDT

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You mean PC arrogance? It truly shown. Keep dissecting meanings the wrong way in order to protect the PC's standing.
xD

  • 01.10.2012 1:28 PM PDT
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We've never dissected meanings the wrong way. What we have said is all completely fact.

The only person who is getting things wrong is you. I mean, how many times have you said things like "Just because a game has a lesser skill gap doesn't mean it's less skilled." Seriously... How many times have you said that? How idiotic does someone have to be to say that?

PC games are, on the whole, more suitable for competitive play whereas their console counter-parts have mechanics that make it easier for players. That's a fact. That is not an opinion. I'm not speaking from "PC gamer arrogance", I'm just stating facts.

[Edited on 01.10.2012 1:37 PM PST]

  • 01.10.2012 1:34 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

LOL

So when someone who knows more about something than you do completely dismantles your uninformed viewpoint, it's arrogance?

  • 01.10.2012 1:37 PM PDT

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It might be because you guys don't want to connect dots A and B and/or at the same time like to to make it sound like i'm connecting dots A and F which tares the intended meaning.

See it like this, Syx:

When I say skill gap, i'm referring to every single player in the crowd, not just one skill group. Therefore the skillgap is less apparent (in the aggregate), meaning that the difference in skill level is averagely smaller than that of a PC game where the learning curve is very high in comparison; however, within the group of extremely elite players (in Halo 2 for example), the level of skill in comparison to the lesser players is considerably higher and match up with the same intensity seen on a PC fps. This is not to say that what you will see on the xbox is just as fast paced.


THE SKILL GAP ON PC FPS
IIIIIIIIIIIIII__IIIII____IIII_____III_______II_________I

THE SKILL GAP ON CONSOLE FPS
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII________II___I

^ My wonderful estimated skill distribution. Left is less experience. and Right is mastered experience.

X-axis: skill level- percentage (theoretical)
y-axis: (you can't really see a y-axis but its the clumped up "I"s which tell you the population of each skill level)

YES THE SKILL GAP IS SMALLER FOR XBOX!!!! But is it any easier to get to the far right than it is on the PC? No!!

Different style of play is forced on the xbox since the controller has limits such as look sensitivity. But again, it still takes much much skill to be on the top of the list as it is on PC. Reasons/examples have been discussed in previous threads.

P.S.
Dammit I can't space out the graph so it looks like each is evenly set apart. What you should try and imagine is that each space in between gets larger and larger as you go from left to right

Edit[x]: the underlining between the "I"s indicate the spacing between each chunk

[Edited on 01.10.2012 3:05 PM PST]

  • 01.10.2012 2:07 PM PDT

this forum gave me more information than all the other forums i have seen. allot of you know allot of facts about the PC, console etc

  • 01.10.2012 3:16 PM PDT
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Ben, all you're doing is pulling information out your ass. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

There isn't a large learning curve in console shooters with aim assist. They're designed so that someone who just walked into the game can learn within about a few weeks how to be at least average. When it comes to PC games it takes at least a year to become average on games like Counter-Strike.

You're the one that's not connecting A-B. A = Skill gap B = Competitive game. A=B. If A has less of a skill gap then that means B is less of a competitive game. My stand point is that I would rather have games with as high of a skill gap as I can find.

YES THE SKILL GAP IS SMALLER FOR XBOX!!!! But is it any easier to get to the far right than it is on the PC? No!!I don't even see how someone could even be this stupid and think they know what they're talking about. If you honestly don't understand how that's complete bull-blam!- you're a hopeless cause. Saying Skill Gap =/= Difficulty of Game Mastery is like saying "1 doesn't equal 1". In fact, the definition of skill gap is the level of difficulty in mastering something.

Just stop replying. You're adding nothing but idiocy to this discussion with all these information you're pulling out of your ass.

[Edited on 01.10.2012 5:40 PM PST]

  • 01.10.2012 5:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx

There isn't a large learning curve in console shooters with aim assist. They're designed so that someone who just walked into the game can learn within about a few weeks how to be at least average. When it comes to PC games it takes at least a year to become average on games like Counter-Strike.


This is exactly what i'm for. That's exactly what I said actually in my last post.

My point is that the skill gap doesn't determine the level of skill that can be found in a game, rather the number of competitors viable for that competition. I guess that would make it less "competitive". But I don't really care because it's still competitive. Crazy skill, crazy plays. That's competitive for me.

  • 01.10.2012 5:59 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Ben2974
A bunch of completely unrelated stuff about dots

LOL

Posted by: Ben2974
I'm attempting to explain skill gap while knowing absolutely nothing about the subject!

We know.

  • 01.10.2012 6:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ben2974

My point is that the skill gap doesn't determine the level of skill that can be found in a game, rather the number of competitors viable for that competition.
Uh, no, it does determine the level of skill that can be found in the game. The larger it is the larger the difference between a noob and an amazing player. If there's a larger gap between those then there is obviously more skill involved. It's simple. Your brain doesn't seem to grasp this simple concept.

I guess that would make it less "competitive". But I don't really care because it's still competitive. Crazy skill, crazy plays. That's competitive for me. Why not have a game where there's "Crazier skill" and "Crazier plays". Why play a game competitively that's just watered down crap when it comes to competitive gameplay? Why not go with a game that is built with competitive gaming in mind? Why not leave the watered down game for casual play?

[Edited on 01.10.2012 8:54 PM PST]

  • 01.10.2012 8:53 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Ben2974

My point is that the skill gap doesn't determine the level of skill that can be found in a game, rather the number of competitors viable for that competition.
Uh, no, it does determine the level of skill that can be found in the game. The larger it is the larger the difference between a noob and an amazing player. If there's a larger gap between those then there is obviously more skill involved. It's simple. Your brain doesn't seem to grasp this simple concept.

Grr, that has a name. You know, when the mind sees/realizes something and doesn't want to believe it because it refuses to let go of previously ingrained misconceptions it has already accepted as truth, so it completely shuts out the new conflicting viewpoint or attempts to rationalize the previous wrong viewpoint in a way that looks correct but actually isn't. It has a name, but I can't remember it. My Psyc 101 class wasn't retained very well. :(

But whatever it is, Ben's providing a LOT of examples.

  • 01.10.2012 10:27 PM PDT

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Recently before the new year all of halo 2s servers were gone and no one could play online with each other. many of my friends were upset all you could do was campaign. now they seemed to relaunch the servers but allot less people are playing. its been closing and re-opening. any thoughts on this?

I'm going to try to enlighten you...Halo 2 Vista is a poor PC game, it's pretty much an Xbox game pretending to be a PC game. It's incredibly poorly ported, with numerous bugs, GFWL errors, missing features and content and one of the few games on PC where using an controller is actually better than the m+k. That, and it's horribly unoptimised, some people with more than capable rigs suffer fps issue's with this game.

It had potential, Halo PC shows that a Halo game could work on PC. But Hired Gun dropped the ball and messed up. As for the whole server incident, it's probably just a routinely server update nor do I care, I only play the game occasionally, today being the first time in a while.

Hopefully you now understand.

EDIT - DusK beat me to it..


they dropped the ball? ho-boy, is it getting hot in here?

  • 01.31.2012 6:32 PM PDT

To be honest, the only thing keeping me away from my halo 2 pc disc is the lack of customization. I'm talking about the buttons, I can't stand using shift to crouch. I see nothing wrong with halo 2 pc other than that. I could care less about gamepad support and custom maps (although they are nice). The game has never given me any problems, and it's graphics were nicer than the xbox version. I'm still a little upset it didn't have the two extra maps though.

  • 02.04.2012 7:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: brawl for jz
I'm talking about the buttons, I can't stand using shift to crouch.
You do realize you can map your keyboard/mouse key functions, right?

  • 02.04.2012 8:52 PM PDT

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lol. Also, those two maps were remade.

~I was going to link you to them, but Kills was being a -blam!- so I had to deal with some things. I'll link later, or you can go to http://h2v.halomaps.org and find them.

  • 02.04.2012 8:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: brawl for jz
I'm talking about the buttons, I can't stand using shift to crouch.
You do realize you can map your keyboard/mouse key functions, right?


How might I be able to do that? The last time I tried there were only set button layouts..


Posted by: I RaveN I
lol. Also, those two maps were remade.

~I was going to link you to them, but Kills was being a -blam!- so I had to deal with some things. I'll link later, or you can go to http://h2v.halomaps.org and find them.


Played on them, they're only so close to the originals made by bungie.

[Edited on 02.04.2012 9:15 PM PST]

  • 02.04.2012 9:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: brawl for jz
How might I be able to do that? The last time I tried there were only set button layouts.
One of the layouts is labelled "Custom". If you set it to that you'll go to a configure menu. :P

[Edited on 02.04.2012 9:23 PM PST]

  • 02.04.2012 9:21 PM PDT

Last member of the i4Ni clan.

The duplicates are identical except for the skins. Seriously, they used the same BSPs...

As for the console argument above, PC is far better simply because it's interface doesn't force you to use ridiculous amounts of autoaim just to play the game competitively. PC gaming has and will always will be more superior and less accessible. Also, in comparison, it took me two weeks of inconsistent playing on Reach to get to the skill level it took me 4 months consistent playing to get on h2v. I'm still not as good with console, but if I actually gamed often I have no doubt there'd be no trouble reaching the same skill level in 1/4 the time, simply due to insane autoaim.

[Edited on 02.04.2012 10:48 PM PST]

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