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Subject: halo ce pistol, my issue with it
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I agree with your ideas but the pistol could be implemented in multiplayer.

It could be in a hard to reach area with only 1 clip of ammo :)

  • 05.11.2006 7:46 AM PDT
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that's an idea...I do like that, but why make a super weapon a bloody pistol? I'd rather have a cooler looking one like a nail gun or something.

  • 05.11.2006 7:47 AM PDT
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I loved halo 1 especially because of the pistol, but my only problem with it (and i've said this a thousand times) is that it takes away the team factor. Give someone a pistol (if there skilled with it) and they can take out atleast 2 of the 4 guys on the opposing team. It's just kinda dumb to have a 4 man team, when one guy will pop up behind you and just take you all down himself.

  • 05.11.2006 7:50 AM PDT

AMEN!

  • 05.11.2006 7:54 AM PDT
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i totally agree.

you know its bad when people kill you with the pistol, in a sniper game, from as far away as a sniper shot would be

  • 05.11.2006 7:54 AM PDT
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You speak wisely, brother.

  • 05.11.2006 7:55 AM PDT
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I can agree with some of what you're saying except for the pistol causing other weapons to be ignored. It was the main weapon that is true, but all the other weapons had a use. Sniper rifle (obvious), Rocket (obvious), shotgun (still was usefull back in CE), Plasma rifle for close quarters (slowed your target), AR for mopping up kills (bullet hose). No one ever has used the needler, EVER. In large maps like hang em high or blood gultch the pistol would be your best friend, that is true, but that is also true for the br in large Halo2 maps.

  • 05.11.2006 7:58 AM PDT
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yah i hate it to.. but i hate it becuz its unrealistic and stupid..
i like the magnum more.. cuz of its realistic power for the gun

  • 05.11.2006 7:58 AM PDT

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I love the newer Magnum...it behaves and acts more realisticly to a pistol rather than a hand cannon. The scoped pistol is was the "Noob" weapon of Halo CE, in my opinion. It was a great weapon, but only when you had one and you were smiting your oppenents. If anything, if it is going to be brought back, weaken it.

  • 05.11.2006 7:59 AM PDT
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let's stay away from the "unrealistic" and "stupid" side. Pistols are very powerful, but I just don't see a war game making it a main weapon. Take Battlefield 2 for example. Or Counter-Strike. It's a secondary handgun. Used when you need to reload the main weapon but have no time to, or you're out of ammo. Never should a pistol be a main weapon in the game.

  • 05.11.2006 8:01 AM PDT
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The br is a more realistic stand in, I'd say just give the br a oneshot option like in the Halo2 E3 trailer, if you guys remember.

  • 05.11.2006 8:02 AM PDT

Q. What do you get when you add 1 man, 1 car, and 1 rocket built for a jet?

A. A black smudge on the side of a cliff.

I agree. Also, the AR shouldn't replace the BR. You should be able to have both.

  • 05.11.2006 8:03 AM PDT
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I understand your worries, because I was worried about it too. Only for a short while, however. Have you really only seen people using the pistol? I was a great Halo 1 and 2 player (when I played. I haven't played for about 1 year now), and I think that as far as balance, Halo 1 was better.

Wait, wait, wait! Don't flame yet! It's only my opinion! I'm not flaming yours! I'm just stating mine! One thing I did notice is that most people that played Halo 1 ONLY played (or mostly played) Blood Gulch. This was a major pistol/ sniper level, so if they did play this map all the time, I can understand people saying that they saw people using the pistol all the time.

I, along with a lot of other people, played the rest of the maps. I didn't only use the pistol, even though I was good with it (mostly 3 shot kills), but I also used the other weapons as well. I loved using the plasma rifle because of its ability to stall the other player. The AR was good at killing a player quickly if in close combat, (rockets as well, lol), and the sniper was great for long range. The pistol was just the "All around 'good' weapon."

You must also remember that since it was a well rounded weapon, everyone started with an equal chance to kill someone. SMG start limited a persons ability, especially when someone picked up a better weapon. There was no way to defend yourself from being spawn killed, no way to get better weapons (if the other team already had them. If they were noobs, you could take the weapons, but if they were equal to your skill, they'd -blam!- you), and a lot of the time, luck of spawn contributed. (Who spawned closer to the sword, rockets, sniper?)

My opinion is that in Halo 1, the pistol was used to balance the game out. In the hands of a good player, a person could kill in 3 shots. Blam blam blam. But that's the same for every gun, right? You have to be good to get that 3 shot kill. That's just saying that they're more skilled with that weapon. A person can be skilled at using the AR, Sniper, PR, etc.

The pistol, in my opinion, was averagely good at all ranges and battles (close, mid, and long range), whereas other guns had advantages at other ranges (rockets, AR and PR, sniper, etc)

That's my opinion.

  • 05.11.2006 8:10 AM PDT
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To mruler230

ok so everybody knows AR dosnt= BR


AR=SMG

Pistol=BR

So you all know now

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  • 05.11.2006 8:13 AM PDT

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Keep the Pistol out!! If you bring it back, remove the scope and make it a 6SK...make it dual wieldable and when it is the recoil is something like the .357 from Resident Evil games.

I hate it when people say it was balanced since everyone spawned with one. Guess what? In Team rockets everyone Spawns with a rocket launcher. Think that game is balanced or involves skill?

  • 05.11.2006 8:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Keep the Pistol out!! If you bring it back, remove the scope and make it a 6SK...make it dual wieldable and when it is the recoil is something like the .357 from Resident Evil games.

I hate it when people say it was balanced since everyone spawned with one. Guess what? In Team rockets everyone Spawns with a rocket launcher. Think that game is balanced or involves skill?


haha nice

I may understand the balance part...put it still is waaaaay to monotonous for me. I hate it when only one weapon is used in a game. The game gets BORING. As I said before, I prefer to hear lots of various action going on rather than Bang Bang Bang Drop.

  • 05.11.2006 9:41 AM PDT

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Go play Halo (PC?) and play on a small map... Pistols, Pistols everywhere and not a .... Anyway, people do not use other weapons. It's like an all Battle Rifle match, the weapons become obsolete when everyone starts with a powerful, long-range weapon. It's not fun, it's just "Bam bam bam" or "br br br br" and you die. Over and over.

  • 05.11.2006 9:50 AM PDT
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I dont understand the problem that some guys have with the pistol. It doesn't have to be in any map, but as a selectable starting weapon. That way everyone could see if it was a good or bad, and play with- or without it. And the pistol should be Exactly like in HaloCE, you would have to shoot in advance to get a TsK, the animations should be same, etc... But just dont make it dual-wieldible. And the scope is a bit ridiculous, but it doesn't matter that much.

  • 05.11.2006 9:55 AM PDT

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Here's the alternative. I'd like the pistol to come back IF:

- Instead of PowPowPow, it was more of a high-caliber "POW.---POW.----POW.", just as powerful, but much much slower.

- No Zoom.. It should be a close-medium range weapon.

-Maybe dual-wield, but then it could be way too powerful.

Other than that, it'd be fine to come back.. But not how it was.


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  • 05.11.2006 10:03 AM PDT
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I have to ask, just how much did you play online?

I've played tens of thousands of games. First on Gamespy Arcade, then on XBConnect.com. Almost every game is played around the rocket launcher. We may start with the pistol, but the goal to winning is to get the rocket. Letting the other team get a hold of it can be devistating. It's hard to even find a fair game anymore because more and more people are using timers to make sure they know when it's spawning and to make sure they get it.

In Chill Out I use the assualt rifle more than the pistol because it's almost all close quarters fighting. The shotgun is also a must. On Longest the shotgun is a power weapon. On Chiron it is the rocket and shotgun also, or a plasma rifle. On larget maps the sniper is the go to weapon. I have a hard time listening to people talk about the pistol being the only weapon people use, because I simply don't see that. I still play H1 on the weekends, and I still see people using all the weapons. In fact, out of all of the thousands of games I've played, I don't think I've played ONE where people used ONLY the pistol the whole game.

And all this talk about TSK's is overblown. Like I've said, I have thousands of hours playing H1 online and I still don't get TSK's all that often. You try to make it sound like people get TSK's consistantly from across BG or HH, that just simply isn't the case. Do you kill people with the battle rifle in four shots EVERY SINGLE TIME? Probably not. Even the pros don't always get that last shot right on the head.

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  • 05.11.2006 10:12 AM PDT
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The other weapons werent ignored, the pistol was a good all around weapon, but you got your ass handed back to you if you went heads up with a shotgun close range, or with a sniper longrange. Ive beaten many M6D people, with a plasma pistol. All the weapons had there uses and I love them all equally.




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  • 05.11.2006 10:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Icicle2004
that's an idea...I do like that, but why make a super weapon a bloody pistol? I'd rather have a cooler looking one like a nail gun or something.


So, your problem with it is the shape? Thought you weren't going to say you didn't like it because it was unrealistic.

  • 05.11.2006 10:17 AM PDT
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Just last night I logged on to XBC to play some old school halo and I was reminded in the first game why I hate the pistol. I am used to handling a BR, PR, PP, Shotgun, Sniper or brute shot with realtive ease on Halo 2 multiplayer because each has their own advantages and disadvantages. However, the pistol just overpowers all the weapons in Halo. Needless to say, I played one game and jumped to LIVE.

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