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Subject: halo ce pistol, my issue with it
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Posted by: Omega Impala
I've told people before that I don't want to see the old pistol anymore. A pistol is not supposed to be anyone's go-to weapon...its a SIDE-arm. A pistol in a combat situation is nearly by definition a SECONDARY weapon behind rifles and heavy weaponry.

HOWEVER, I will be the first to say that I LOVED using the old pistol...I was amazingly proficient with it in my group of friends. That's why, when I first heard that Halo 2 was featuring a new rifle that behaved very similar to the old pistol, the battle rifle,I was ecstatic. The BR didn't exactly live up to my expectations, but especially after the auto-update, I began to realize that Bungie was still interested in utilizing a weapon that behaved like the original pistol.

I say that there's no reason to bring back the old pistol, but at the same time, I find that making a much more realistic weapon that BEHAVES like the original pistol is pretty much vital to the "feel" of Halo.


I agree completely!

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  • 05.12.2006 12:45 PM PDT

Its like holding onto an electric fence, and complaining that it hurts, yet you still do it. See the stupidity now?

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I also agree with Omega Impala, while i would like to see a 6 shot kill pistol, with a identicle firing rate, and if it had a "rising" effect like the human sniper or SMG when shot...it could be fun. I love using the pistol because of the way it feels when you use it and its versatility...but 3 shot kills are just too quick of a kill. The BR's 4 burst kill is perfect, but any faster than that for a all-purpose gun is too much.

  • 05.12.2006 5:20 PM PDT
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Hmm...whoever said "saying the pistol was used all the time is like saying the battle rifle and smg are used all the time" is true. The battle rifle is probably the most used weapon...and it's not a starting weapon (most of the time, yes it is under MLG rules, I'm saying the premade slayer game types). Why is the battle rifle used the most? Because it's a great fast killing weapon. So why wouldn't the pistol be used the most? It applies under the same rules. I just don't think a pistol should be the fast killing weapon.

Everyone loves the pistol because it kills in the three shots in the head. No other reason. Not because "it looks cool", no it doesn't, it's probably the stupidist looking weapon in the game (aside from the needler) (I'd also like to say this is my opinion, a lot of people take these words as fact and flame).

So then the battle rifle was made! It took the elements of the fast killing pistol and zoom and everyone loved it because it could kill fast. So why does everyone want the pistol back? The battle rifle does the same damn thing!!! But it's more of a main weapon. It's a rifle for crying out loud. Rifles and SMG's are your two food groups of war. Then you put in a shotgun and RPG and you've got a bloodfest. Pistols aren't even really required. They're pulled out as a last option (and usually before death in some games).

  • 05.12.2006 8:26 PM PDT
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It doesn't do the same thing. The differences show in large maps.

The pistol had the ammo to take on anything (10 clips max), the range without loss of power like you have with the BR, gave everyone who just spawned a fighting chance even if a tank rolled into view. It could take down any vehicle with enough shots and most of the time had ammo to spare. You could dodge pistol shots on foot because the weapon required a good deal of leading. If someone took the flag and escaped out the base in Bloodgulch with a Warthog then you and your team's combined pistol fire could stop the Warthog dead in it's tracks.

The BR ammo is too low (3 clips max). It didn't have the damage of the pistol at long range unless you had host. It's extremely ineffective against tanks and Banshees. Shooting vehicles just depleted your ammo really fast. If you spawned in the open with a BR (Coagulation) you had little to no chance of surviving against most vehicles. If you are double teamed especially when you spawn you have absolutely zero chance of coming out alive. You can fire a whole clip into someone wasting your limited ammo and watch their shield flash everytime thanks to shot registration issues.

  • 05.13.2006 1:38 AM PDT
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hahaha, that's because the tank had an open cockpit (which really made it quite worthless to someone skilled with a sniper, hell it didn't take much skill). If the tank were still open cockpit the BR would work fine against it. And I bet the pistol wouldn't do any better against a banshee. Just switch to SMG and take out the banshee dude.

  • 05.14.2006 3:56 PM PDT
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hahaha, that's because the tank had an open cockpit (which really made it quite worthless to someone skilled with a sniper, hell it didn't take much skill)
How about traveling through cover where there are teammates controlling that part of the map? Or staying out of the enemy's line of sight by using the hills or driving in a zig zag pattern in the open. Don't go over the hills on Bloodgulch unless you're facing the cockpit away from their base and teleporter exits. The tank was never useless if you knew how to use it. It's great for base defense and dealing with the occasional Warthog rush to your flag. Enemy pistol fire along with the slow rate of fire on the tank's main cannon made it hard to deal with mutiple targets so rushing the enemy base and trying to spawn kill with it was usually not a good idea without teammates backing you up.

If the tank were still open cockpit the BR would work fine against it
No it wouldn't actually. All they need to do is see the BR trails and turn the tank away and you're pretty much screwed after that. In Halo CE you didn't have to fire on the open cockpit to do considerable damage to the driver. A few players with pistols shooting the back of the tank for example can take it down in no time or make it retreat in a hurry. Even a plasma pistol can take down the tank if you can effectively use the overcharge and stun capabilities. The power of all the weapons especially the pistol kept the vehicles in check on large maps where you can easily become separated from teammates and come face to face with a vehicle.

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With the BR I took 65 burst shots on the tank (I had had to stand near the BR spawn to replenish my ammo) and I had to aim around the cockpit to do any damage to the driver. The treads, main cannon, the front and rear of the tank is invunerable to BR and SMG fire. How many of you know that?

In Halo CE the pistol killed the driver in 28 shots everytime if you didn't aim at the cockpit. There is no spot on the vehicle that's invunerable.

Funny how the weapons in Halo 2 seems to have been completely downgraded in every way possible and the tank got upgraded in every way possible. So tell what me what I'm supposed to do if I spawn a mile from my base in Coagulation after a failed rush to the rocket and all our vehicles are destroyed in the process and a tank comes over the hill to our base and opens fire with that fully automatic BR mounted on the tank called a turret. Balance my -blam!- ass.

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  • 05.14.2006 7:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Icicle2004
let's stay away from the "unrealistic" and "stupid" side. Pistols are very powerful, but I just don't see a war game making it a main weapon. Take Battlefield 2 for example. Or Counter-Strike. It's a secondary handgun. Used when you need to reload the main weapon but have no time to, or you're out of ammo. Never should a pistol be a main weapon in the game.


Maybe you forgot the full title of battlefield 2..."Battlefield 2: MODERN COMBAT"!!! We're talking halo here..space..aliens...would people quit with all the comparisons to modern warfare games..the only thing they have in common is that they're FPS. As far as the pistol goes..here's a few points.

1. Everyone spawns with one, there is no unfair advantage.
2. 3 shot kills are alot harder than you think...alot of these Halo2 only folks would have a hell of a time trying to pull it off, so quit acting like it happens all the time.
3. I've taken down many a pistol weilder with any of the folowing weapons...Shotgun, AR, Sniper, Rocket Launcher, Needler, PR, and even the little PP, so quit making it seem like the people who have the pistol are invincible. If you still feel they are, refer to point number one.

Please, if anyone disagrees, do so referncing those 3 points

P.S. This is not meant as a flame on anyone

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  • 05.15.2006 1:36 PM PDT
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I can tell majority of the people don't know what they're talking about. I dropped my pistol plenty of times for rockets or sniper, Pistol was pretty much not needed if you had camo with rocks. And you guys make it seem as if the pistol was so easy to use, compare it to a br in halo 2, BR 4-5 shots average to kill someone strafing, where as in the pistol it took time, unless you were playing kids who were not good at all on bg. AND if you were playing xbc offhost it's a -blam!- to try and out-pistol host.

Only time pistol was used a majority of the time was on Vehicle maps, Wizard, or Rat Race. Even on HeH pistol was used but not to the point where thats all you used.


[Edited on 5/15/2006]

  • 05.15.2006 1:49 PM PDT
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The plasma rifle is my favorite way to kill a pistol wielder in close range. It works incredibly well when you get him from behind. It basically takes his look sensitivity down to 1 so he can't aim at me.

Posted by: Icicle2004
I can snipe people from base to base with the pistol in Blood Gulch.

This really sums up how much you played Halo.

[Edited on 5/15/2006]

  • 05.15.2006 1:56 PM PDT
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i would have rather seen the pistol just be really big like 3 shot kills but reletivly inacurate

  • 05.15.2006 6:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Icicle2004
hahaha, that's because the tank had an open cockpit (which really made it quite worthless to someone skilled with a sniper, hell it didn't take much skill).
How does the sniper rifle not take much skill? It's the hardest weapon to use in the game. And, by the way, the key phrase in your post was "to someone skilled with the sniper." First you say it is skilled, then you say it's not? What the heck happened here?
By the way, the tank had an open cockpit because it had no other weakness otherwise. The open cockpit gives even a foot-soldier a chance against the tank, which made it balanced. Would you rather have an invincible tank?

If the tank were still open cockpit the BR would work fine against it. And I bet the pistol wouldn't do any better against a banshee. Just switch to SMG and take out the banshee dude.I agree, the SMG is good against vehicles. But I thought we were talking about the Halo 1 pistol here...

  • 05.16.2006 11:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Icicle2004
I can snipe people from base to base with the pistol in Blood Gulch.

This really sums up how much you played Halo.


Um...I played halo quite a bit. What are you getting at? I did snipe from base to base with the pistol.

  • 05.16.2006 10:22 PM PDT
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The range of the pistol was about 1/3 the length of Bloodgulch. It's impossible to pistol snipe someone from base to base.

  • 05.16.2006 11:58 PM PDT
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Matters how you played, if you had an honor system going with ur friends, u could somewhat ban the pistol from ur group.

Sounds stupid, but its what my friends do when it gets irritating. Halo is a lot funner without ppl using the pistol.

Think of it this way, when everyone starts with Battle rifles and u need around 3-4 bursts to take someone down. I'm seeing a recurring effect. Start with pistol, and people die left and right from precision shots to the head. Start with the Battle rifle, and get killed from left and right precision shots.

That's how i see it. The same things happening, just more realistic with our terms. Instaed of a really good pistol, we now have rifles.

[Edited on 5/17/2006]

  • 05.17.2006 2:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Icicle2004
Posted by: Fatso
Posted by: Icicle2004
I can snipe people from base to base with the pistol in Blood Gulch.

This really sums up how much you played Halo.


Um...I played halo quite a bit. What are you getting at? I did snipe from base to base with the pistol.


It's hard to snipe from base to base with the sniper rifle in blood gulch! much less the damn pistol! You MAY have done it from the halfway point in blood gulch. Another example of someone making up crap to fuel their side of a debate. I also noticed you didn't respond to the three points i made in my previous post....please tell me the flaws of the pistol referencing those points

  • 05.17.2006 8:27 AM PDT
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YES !

Its like having two weapons in a match, one, sword, the other, needler !

people would only use sword, mabye some would use needlers but they would end up just using sword

  • 05.17.2006 10:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: XHellKnightX
I also agree with Omega Impala, while i would like to see a 6 shot kill pistol, with a identicle firing rate, and if it had a "rising" effect like the human sniper or SMG when shot...it could be fun. I love using the pistol because of the way it feels when you use it and its versatility...but 3 shot kills are just too quick of a kill. The BR's 4 burst kill is perfect, but any faster than that for a all-purpose gun is too much.


I've played against some of the best Halo 1 players in the world. And, any of you that have thousands of hours playing on XBC or played in tournaments can probably say the same thing. Yet, I have yet to find anyone that can kill in three shots EVERY SINGLE TIME. It isn't always about how well you can shoot, it also comes down to how well you can dance. If you run straight up to the person, and never move side to side, sure, they can get TSK's pretty easy.

  • 05.17.2006 4:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Icicle2004
Posted by: Fatso
Posted by: Icicle2004
I can snipe people from base to base with the pistol in Blood Gulch.

This really sums up how much you played Halo.


Um...I played halo quite a bit. What are you getting at? I did snipe from base to base with the pistol.


I love it when they finally give up and just start lying.

  • 05.17.2006 4:42 PM PDT
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Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2

Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

I loved the pistol, but I think the BR suits the job of scoped rifle better than a pistol.

Also, whenever I play Halo, if I find of sniper, I change the assualt rifle for it, and if I find a shotgun after that sniper, bye pistol. The pistol was a good weapons, but the sniper, rocket, plasma rifle and shotgun were much better in certain areas. I tended to sometimes even have a Plasma Rifle and a sniper. The pistol may have been your starting weapon, in a real game, and a good gun, but many people still pick other weapons up.

Also, BG and maybe Hang Em High were like the only maps that are open and easy enough to see people in for your 3 shots kill thing to work in. Try three shoting people in maps with a lot of cover, like Chill Out and Damnation, it like never works.

[Edited on 5/18/2006]

  • 05.18.2006 1:59 PM PDT

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