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Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy.

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Slight Primordium spoiler.

What I'm thinking is that from Primordium, it's apparant that the Precursors are, at least by this point, The Flood. The Mantle's true meaning is to allow yourself to be taken by the Flood; a galaxy of Flood would undeniably be an eternally peaceful galaxy.

I think the Precursor's idea is "give us a chunk of your species to consume and you will have fulfilled the Mantle". By that, they would leave the galaxy be for another 100,000 years; I believe that this is what the Timeless One told the humans at Charum Hakkor (leading them to commit suicide in realisation that they were to be consumed by the Flood, and that was the only way to fulfill the Mantle and halt the Flood, and even then only temporarily).

However, I don't think either Spartan-117 or any species (be it Human, Sangheili, Kig-Yar, Jiralhanae...or even Forerunner) would be willing to allow this to happen again. Now obviously, no Human or Elite or whatever knows about the Precursor Plan (a.k.a The Mantle) yet. Apart from the Didact. Naturally, the only way any modern species of the galaxy will know about the horror that is the Precursor Plan is through the Didact, who has spoken to the TO. I feel it is therefore apparant that the Didact must return in this trilogy (it has, after all, been massively hinted by the ending of the tenth Anniversary terminal).

My point about all this is that I find it likely that as the galaxy is likely due to be consumed by Precursor/Flood, the objective of Master Chief, of Humanity, of all species in the galaxy, will be to eliminate the Timeless One and/or the Precursors, or at least end their ability to perform this "plan" every 100,000 years.

Any thoughts or ideas? Do you disagree/agree?

[Edited on 01.08.2012 4:27 AM PST]

  • 01.07.2012 4:54 AM PDT
Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy?

“Oh, it’s a little bit of everything, it’s the mountains, it’s the fog, it’s the news at six o’clock, it’s the death of my first dog, it’s the angels up above me, it’s the song that they don’t sing, It’s a little bit of everything.”
- Dawes, A little bit of everything

I'm not well versed in the cannon, but what you've said makes sense to me, so I agree.

  • 01.07.2012 5:05 AM PDT

I pretty much agree through and through. I wonder if humanity actually thought thehy cured the flood when they sacrificed 2/3 of their population to them, or if they were simply doing its wishes and feeding them humans so they could delay the inevitable another 100,000 years. (that also makes me wonder why the precursors would even bother to delay their consumption of humans...perhaps the war with the forerunner made them weaker than the flood wanted when they took them in).

It gives me high hopes for this trilogy because it means the forerunners and everyone involved in the original flood war has probably been preparing for this inevitable oncoming of the precursors for the last 100,000 years. No doubt the forerunners have been waiting for this eventuality since they learned of it, and have many systems in place to help humanity fight and try to win.

It's going to be crazy epic.

[Edited on 01.07.2012 6:10 AM PST]

  • 01.07.2012 6:08 AM PDT
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Spoilers

TTO is dead. The Didact disintegrated him.

  • 01.07.2012 6:43 AM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: TFU244
Spoilers

TTO is dead. The Didact disintegrated him.
When was this? It escaped the prison and was never seen again I thought

  • 01.07.2012 6:50 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: Wazooty
I pretty much agree through and through. I wonder if humanity actually thought thehy cured the flood when they sacrificed 2/3 of their population to them, or if they were simply doing its wishes and feeding them humans so they could delay the inevitable another 100,000 years. (that also makes me wonder why the precursors would even bother to delay their consumption of humans...perhaps the war with the forerunner made them weaker than the flood wanted when they took them in).

It gives me high hopes for this trilogy because it means the forerunners and everyone involved in the original flood war has probably been preparing for this inevitable oncoming of the precursors for the last 100,000 years. No doubt the forerunners have been waiting for this eventuality since they learned of it, and have many systems in place to help humanity fight and try to win.

It's going to be crazy epic.

When Humanity sacrificed 2/3 of the population, they didn't cure the Flood like the Forerunners thought; they had in fact satisfied the Precursor's/Timeless One's Mantle, in that the humans were willing to become the Flood, so the Flood left, seeing humanity as worthy of the Mantle. The Forerunners however de-evolved the humans after a war with us (which was shortly after we sacrificed many to the Flood and satisfied the Mantle), so the Flood returned prematurely upon the galaxy (when they should've waited 100,000 years after ancient humanity's sacrifice) to avenge humanity I presume.

The reason why the Flood do not have mercy on the humans of 2552 era, I presume, is because we are the devolved, "new" version of humanity which has not been tested by the Mantle yet.

[Edited on 01.07.2012 6:52 AM PST]

  • 01.07.2012 6:51 AM PDT


Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: Wazooty
I pretty much agree through and through. I wonder if humanity actually thought thehy cured the flood when they sacrificed 2/3 of their population to them, or if they were simply doing its wishes and feeding them humans so they could delay the inevitable another 100,000 years. (that also makes me wonder why the precursors would even bother to delay their consumption of humans...perhaps the war with the forerunner made them weaker than the flood wanted when they took them in).

It gives me high hopes for this trilogy because it means the forerunners and everyone involved in the original flood war has probably been preparing for this inevitable oncoming of the precursors for the last 100,000 years. No doubt the forerunners have been waiting for this eventuality since they learned of it, and have many systems in place to help humanity fight and try to win.

It's going to be crazy epic.

When Humanity sacrificed 2/3 of the population, they didn't cure the Flood like the Forerunners thought; they had in fact satisfied the Precursor's/Timeless One's Mantle, in that the humans were willing to become the Flood, so the Flood left, seeing humanity as worthy of the Mantle. The Forerunners however de-evolved the humans after a war with us (which was shortly after we sacrificed many to the Flood and satisfied the Mantle), so the Flood returned prematurely upon the galaxy (when they should've waited 100,000 years after ancient humanity's sacrifice) to avenge humanity I presume.

The reason why the Flood do not have mercy on the humans of 2552 era, I presume, is because we are the devolved, "new" version of humanity which has not been tested by the Mantle yet.



I know that. I read the book. But it does not answer what I said. It was said in cryptum that the humans who sacrificed themselves carried a virus that killed the flood. Now I wonder, did humanity actually believe that their virus actually caused the cure, or do you think they knew the truth as to why the flood stopped targeting them?

  • 01.07.2012 7:18 AM PDT
Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy.


Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: TFU244
Spoilers

TTO is dead. The Didact disintegrated him.
When was this? It escaped the prison and was never seen again I thought


There's a new forerunner book out. Call me crazy but I bet it comes from that.

Didact captures TTO at the end and after talking to it and learning the truth (there never was a cure, TTO was just trolling everyone into thinking there was), Didact gets pissed and evaporates it.

Didact does not appreciate trolling.

[Edited on 01.07.2012 7:22 AM PST]

  • 01.07.2012 7:21 AM PDT
Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy?

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: Wazooty

Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: Wazooty
I pretty much agree through and through. I wonder if humanity actually thought thehy cured the flood when they sacrificed 2/3 of their population to them, or if they were simply doing its wishes and feeding them humans so they could delay the inevitable another 100,000 years. (that also makes me wonder why the precursors would even bother to delay their consumption of humans...perhaps the war with the forerunner made them weaker than the flood wanted when they took them in).

It gives me high hopes for this trilogy because it means the forerunners and everyone involved in the original flood war has probably been preparing for this inevitable oncoming of the precursors for the last 100,000 years. No doubt the forerunners have been waiting for this eventuality since they learned of it, and have many systems in place to help humanity fight and try to win.

It's going to be crazy epic.

When Humanity sacrificed 2/3 of the population, they didn't cure the Flood like the Forerunners thought; they had in fact satisfied the Precursor's/Timeless One's Mantle, in that the humans were willing to become the Flood, so the Flood left, seeing humanity as worthy of the Mantle. The Forerunners however de-evolved the humans after a war with us (which was shortly after we sacrificed many to the Flood and satisfied the Mantle), so the Flood returned prematurely upon the galaxy (when they should've waited 100,000 years after ancient humanity's sacrifice) to avenge humanity I presume.

The reason why the Flood do not have mercy on the humans of 2552 era, I presume, is because we are the devolved, "new" version of humanity which has not been tested by the Mantle yet.



I know that. I read the book. But it does not answer what I said. It was said in cryptum that the humans who sacrificed themselves carried a virus that killed the flood. Now I wonder, did humanity actually believe that their virus actually caused the cure, or do you think they knew the truth as to why the flood stopped targeting them?

I don't have Primordium myself, I only know several of the key plot points, but I'm certain that I read from another user on this forum that Primordium states that there wasn't actually a virus or cure, just that humanity sacrificed 2/3 of their population.

I would however be very glad on any clarification on that, as you have the book, and it may well be that humanity did at least attempt using a virus.

  • 01.07.2012 7:27 AM PDT
Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy.

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Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

My knowledge of the Halo universe is far from good, but from what I gather after reading your post, I agree entirely.

  • 01.07.2012 7:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wazooty

Didact does not appreciate trolling.

He'd go absolutely ape if he ever saw The Flood forum, then.

  • 01.07.2012 8:12 AM PDT
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Don't be stupid like I was! Check to see what that Forum Ninja is saying to you!

"I may not like what you say, but I will defend your right to the death to say it!"

"Tolerance is a virtue, and virtue builds character."
-Onyx81

Let's not turn the Precursors into The Reapers. They don't return every 100,000 years, they just said that's when they'd be back.

  • 01.07.2012 8:35 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: Onyx81
Let's not turn the Precursors into The Reapers. They don't return every 100,000 years, they just said that's when they'd be back.

I'm hoping that part of my theory is wrong for the sole reason that I don't want the Flood to be Halo's Reapers.

  • 01.07.2012 8:46 AM PDT
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Don't be stupid like I was! Check to see what that Forum Ninja is saying to you!

"I may not like what you say, but I will defend your right to the death to say it!"

"Tolerance is a virtue, and virtue builds character."
-Onyx81


Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: Onyx81
Let's not turn the Precursors into The Reapers. They don't return every 100,000 years, they just said that's when they'd be back.

I'm hoping that part of my theory is wrong for the sole reason that I don't want the Flood to be Halo's Reapers.
Well then why not change that part of the theory?

  • 01.07.2012 8:53 AM PDT

Money.

  • 01.07.2012 8:55 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: Onyx81
Let's not turn the Precursors into The Reapers. They don't return every 100,000 years, they just said that's when they'd be back.

I'm hoping that part of my theory is wrong for the sole reason that I don't want the Flood to be Halo's Reapers.
Well then why not change that part of the theory?

This is what I think will happen. Not what I want to happen.

  • 01.07.2012 9:01 AM PDT


Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: Onyx81
Let's not turn the Precursors into The Reapers. They don't return every 100,000 years, they just said that's when they'd be back.

I'm hoping that part of my theory is wrong for the sole reason that I don't want the Flood to be Halo's Reapers.


I've yet to read the book to be sure, but someone was saying that the Precursors are not the Flood, but they are its creators. The Precursors themselves are in fact an organized culture of several races that created and destroyed civilizations and ecosystems as they saw fit, all the while trying to consruct the perfect creature that could maintain peace and harmony in the universe. From what I could gather, the Human race, Forerunners, and Flood were the three biggest candidates, but the Flood won out, which prompted Flood to *become* the Mantle (and likely many of the Precursor races to succumb willingly).

I also heard that the race that created the Forerunners were hunted after the Forerunners rebelled, but some escaped.

Don't know if any of that's true, but just what I heard. All I know is that when the Didact asked Primordial "so you are the last Precursor?" Primordial responded saying "the last of this kind" indicating some of the other Precurors races are still out there.

  • 01.07.2012 10:45 AM PDT
Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy?


Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: Wazooty

Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: Wazooty
I pretty much agree through and through. I wonder if humanity actually thought thehy cured the flood when they sacrificed 2/3 of their population to them, or if they were simply doing its wishes and feeding them humans so they could delay the inevitable another 100,000 years. (that also makes me wonder why the precursors would even bother to delay their consumption of humans...perhaps the war with the forerunner made them weaker than the flood wanted when they took them in).

It gives me high hopes for this trilogy because it means the forerunners and everyone involved in the original flood war has probably been preparing for this inevitable oncoming of the precursors for the last 100,000 years. No doubt the forerunners have been waiting for this eventuality since they learned of it, and have many systems in place to help humanity fight and try to win.

It's going to be crazy epic.

When Humanity sacrificed 2/3 of the population, they didn't cure the Flood like the Forerunners thought; they had in fact satisfied the Precursor's/Timeless One's Mantle, in that the humans were willing to become the Flood, so the Flood left, seeing humanity as worthy of the Mantle. The Forerunners however de-evolved the humans after a war with us (which was shortly after we sacrificed many to the Flood and satisfied the Mantle), so the Flood returned prematurely upon the galaxy (when they should've waited 100,000 years after ancient humanity's sacrifice) to avenge humanity I presume.

The reason why the Flood do not have mercy on the humans of 2552 era, I presume, is because we are the devolved, "new" version of humanity which has not been tested by the Mantle yet.



I know that. I read the book. But it does not answer what I said. It was said in cryptum that the humans who sacrificed themselves carried a virus that killed the flood. Now I wonder, did humanity actually believe that their virus actually caused the cure, or do you think they knew the truth as to why the flood stopped targeting them?

I don't have Primordium myself, I only know several of the key plot points, but I'm certain that I read from another user on this forum that Primordium states that there wasn't actually a virus or cure, just that humanity sacrificed 2/3 of their population.

I would however be very glad on any clarification on that, as you have the book, and it may well be that humanity did at least attempt using a virus.
Before the conversation between the Didact and the Timeless One near the end of Primordium, it was thought that humanity had sacrificed that much of its population in order to find the cure and wipe out the Flood.

Wazooty was wondering if humanity made the sacrifice knowing what the Flood truly wanted, or did they actually think their virus had stopped them. It's an interesting question, and based on certain thoughts from the Lord of Admirals I find myself leaning toward the fact that some of the human leaders knew the truth.

Honestly, though, one could argue for it either way. Definitely a lot more questions than answers at this point.

  • 01.07.2012 11:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: TFU244
Spoilers

TTO is dead. The Didact disintegrated him.


Considering how much the Gravemind is unwilling to stay dead, I wouldn't call him/it dead yet.

  • 01.07.2012 11:21 PM PDT
Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy.

Why are you here?

I don't think the Precursors are Flood.

  • 01.07.2012 11:53 PM PDT
Subject: The End Objective of the Reclaimer Trilogy?

5 years and counting on Bungie. I feel old and worthless.


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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: Wazooty

Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: Wazooty
I pretty much agree through and through. I wonder if humanity actually thought thehy cured the flood when they sacrificed 2/3 of their population to them, or if they were simply doing its wishes and feeding them humans so they could delay the inevitable another 100,000 years. (that also makes me wonder why the precursors would even bother to delay their consumption of humans...perhaps the war with the forerunner made them weaker than the flood wanted when they took them in).

It gives me high hopes for this trilogy because it means the forerunners and everyone involved in the original flood war has probably been preparing for this inevitable oncoming of the precursors for the last 100,000 years. No doubt the forerunners have been waiting for this eventuality since they learned of it, and have many systems in place to help humanity fight and try to win.

It's going to be crazy epic.

When Humanity sacrificed 2/3 of the population, they didn't cure the Flood like the Forerunners thought; they had in fact satisfied the Precursor's/Timeless One's Mantle, in that the humans were willing to become the Flood, so the Flood left, seeing humanity as worthy of the Mantle. The Forerunners however de-evolved the humans after a war with us (which was shortly after we sacrificed many to the Flood and satisfied the Mantle), so the Flood returned prematurely upon the galaxy (when they should've waited 100,000 years after ancient humanity's sacrifice) to avenge humanity I presume.

The reason why the Flood do not have mercy on the humans of 2552 era, I presume, is because we are the devolved, "new" version of humanity which has not been tested by the Mantle yet.



I know that. I read the book. But it does not answer what I said. It was said in cryptum that the humans who sacrificed themselves carried a virus that killed the flood. Now I wonder, did humanity actually believe that their virus actually caused the cure, or do you think they knew the truth as to why the flood stopped targeting them?

I don't have Primordium myself, I only know several of the key plot points, but I'm certain that I read from another user on this forum that Primordium states that there wasn't actually a virus or cure, just that humanity sacrificed 2/3 of their population.

I would however be very glad on any clarification on that, as you have the book, and it may well be that humanity did at least attempt using a virus.
Before the conversation between the Didact and the Timeless One near the end of Primordium, it was thought that humanity had sacrificed that much of its population in order to find the cure and wipe out the Flood.

Wazooty was wondering if humanity made the sacrifice knowing what the Flood truly wanted, or did they actually think their virus had stopped them. It's an interesting question, and based on certain thoughts from the Lord of Admirals I find myself leaning toward the fact that some of the human leaders knew the truth.

Honestly, though, one could argue for it either way. Definitely a lot more questions than answers at this point.
How it happened was humanity's leaders somehow changed the genetic code of certain people in patterns, so that the flood could not keep up with such different genetics. Think of it almost as selective breeding just to wipe out the flood.

  • 01.08.2012 3:36 AM PDT

You could've put spoilers in the title, I thought you were referring to the game trilogy and haven't read primordium yet...

  • 01.08.2012 3:43 AM PDT

"I'm afraid of the man I'll become if I lay my life down for the people I don't even care for"

Whoops I just got spoiled about disintegration despite the spoiler alert. My bad.

OT: That does seem very plausible...... But why then were the precursors so advanced and the Flood so primitive needing other host species for intelligence?

  • 01.08.2012 3:46 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: DarkBen64
You could've put spoilers in the title, I thought you were referring to the game trilogy and haven't read primordium yet...

This whole forum is buzzing about Primordium. They'd have to put "Spoilers" at the top of this forum...I haven't read the book either but I don't really care if I know some of the plot points.

  • 01.08.2012 3:54 AM PDT


Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: DarkBen64
You could've put spoilers in the title, I thought you were referring to the game trilogy and haven't read primordium yet...

This whole forum is buzzing about Primordium. They'd have to put "Spoilers" at the top of this forum...I haven't read the book either but I don't really care if I know some of the plot points.


That wouldn't be so bad if the title was obviously about primordium, the reclaimer trilogy is the name of the game trilogy...

  • 01.08.2012 3:57 AM PDT

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