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WE SAW THE AR!!!! You know what that means. It means the pistol is back, right? ...Wrong. Honestly, don't assume that the pistol is back simply because the Chief was holding an older gun. Bungie took the original pistol out for a reason, because it was way too out of balance. The Assault rifle was never very extreme in one way, it was a good short range gun, but you still had a chance to counter it. The pistol was extreme. Trust me, I know it was fun to drop people in three shots, but think about it, is it more fun to be able to own, or is it more fun to have tons of competition.
The reason the pistol worked is because you did't have huge competitions, it wasn't so much a sport then. Now it is, everyone thinks they want it back, but think about th so called 'noob combo'. People could argue how fun it was to drop someone in two shots there, but its unbalanced. I love the pistol a ton too, but it just doesn't fit in the online multiplayer arena, its too powerful. Online isn't meant for one person to own, its meant for everyone of every skill level to be able to at least have a chance to compete.
And you may argue that Bungie is selling out to everyone. I say, "Duh". They are a company, their goal is to make money. Sure they love their fans, but, they aren't there to just please us. Its their job to make games that make microsoft money, its how they get the funding to make such amazing games. You can also argue that Halo 2 wasn't as good as Halo 1, sure, it might no have been (I personally think it was better) but so what! If it were any other game, if it were called "Shoot The Aliens" and had no ties to the Halo games, but played the exact same way, it would be hailed as a milestonein gaming history, and it is, but some people choose to ignore that.
You also might argue that by 'noobing' the game up, it makes it too easy. What you fail to understand is that what you are really saying is, "Its too hard for me to own anymore." The inheretly awesome thing about more people having the potential to be good is that you have to work even harder to get amazing and to stay amazing. You should appreciate that, it makes mroe competitive. Would you really want Halo any other way? Its the reason, even though you don't like Halo 2, that you keep coming back and playing it. Hate everything about it if you want, but everything in it makes it competetive.
I wouldn't mind if the pistol was brought back, but, it would have to stay in custom games where the goal is to just have fun and own. But, if it was brought back, people would begin complaining and makeit get put into playlists. Then it would get unbalanced and people would begin blaming Bungie for that fact. If the power of the pistol were brought back at all into matchmaking, it would have to be a very hard to reach gun, and it would have to be a different skin, and very rare to find. Sorry for that little rant, I just wanted to show people that I loved the pistol too, but we have to look onward. This is the next generation of console gaming, not that previous one.


TADA!!! Pragraphs. And lease read before you post, you look dumb if you say something without knowing what i was saying.

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  • 05.12.2006 12:58 PM PDT
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To much to read.

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Posted by: Shibby 5000
To much to read.

  • 05.12.2006 1:00 PM PDT
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aww, common it is not AR
cuz, look in picture again

BR is already upgrade into look like AR because metal covered the BR scope and you see the barrier is longer than AR barrier...

i dont mean to sue you but nice trying to tell us the proof, great working type

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The Pistol was cool and all, but im too big a AR fan to care.

  • 05.12.2006 1:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Demon Swordz
Posted by: Shibby 5000
To much to read.


Not too much to read, just no paragraphs. o.O

  • 05.12.2006 1:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: danko bros inc
aww, common it is not AR
cuz, look in picture again

BR is already upgrade into look like AR because metal covered the BR scope and you see the barrier is longer than AR barrier...

i dont mean to sue you but nice trying to tell us the proof, great working type


Lol, for those of who have played and used the AR extensively, its the AR. It might look a little different, but, so do Elites in Halo 2. And so does everything else. Its the same gun, just a little graphically updated.

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oops

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  • 05.12.2006 1:08 PM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

j00 PWNT DEM ALLZ ^

  • 05.12.2006 1:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Murray tX
Lol, for those of who have played and used the AR extensively, its the AR. It might look a little different, but, so do Elites in Halo 2. And so does everything else. Its the same gun, just a little graphically updated.


I agree. Don't read into it too much, its the AR. Its not some clever hint that the MA2B is in Halo3 or that they've gone back in time or that the BR is out or that the old pistol is back. Its the AR, graphically updated just like all the weapons and characters were for Halo2.

  • 05.12.2006 1:11 PM PDT
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I played Halo 1 a lot too and I know for a fact that the pistol was not as a cheap as you say it is.


And no, no one should have the same ammount of skill.


If I leave a game and comeback after 5 months of absence then I'd like to work hard to get my old skill back.

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Infact, I know Halo 2 was a great/amazing game, but it didnt feel quite Halo w/o the Pistol and AR for me.

  • 05.12.2006 1:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Joe The Gambit
I played Halo 1 a lot too and I know for a fact that the pistol was not as a cheap as you say it is.


And no, no one should have the same ammount of skill.


If I leave a game and comeback after 5 months of absence then I'd like to work hard to get my old skill back.


if you would want to work hard to get your old skill back, which you would, do you not want work incredibly hard to get skill always? I am simply trying to show you the blessing in disguise, i everyone has the same potential, then you will have more of a reputation if you set yourself apart and get amazing. You will have even more skill that way.

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Posted by: Murray tX

if you would want to work hard to get your old skill back, which you would, do you not want work incredibly hard to get skill always? I am simply trying to show you the blessing in disguise, i everyone has the same potential, then you will have more of a reputation if you set yourself apart and get amazing. You will have even more skill that way.



That's not rewarding for me.


Right now I'm currently trying to get skilled at Counter-Strike: Condition Zero so that I may play against more experienced gamers; right now, I have auto-aim turned on within the game so that I may have a chance and even then the game is still challenging.


Auto-aim should be optional so that new players can get into the game and when they're use to how the game plays, they can turn off the auto-aim.

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Who would turn it off though? I mean, sure, I would, you would. But, people mod games to make them easier. What's gonna stop them from actually turning auto-aim off. You have to think balance. You can't have so many options, otherwise its too different for everyone else. The skill is in overcoming the learning curve.

  • 05.12.2006 1:46 PM PDT
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I guarantee you that there will be a large number of people who turn it off.


Some of these people will have it on at the beginning, but as they get used to the game they will turn it off.


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I understand where you are ocming from Gambit. I like the feel of starting off the same place as everyone, and getting better than them though. I know there are a lot of people who will turn it off, but there are a lot of people who won't. It has to be balanced. But I digress. Halo 3 is gonna be amazing either way.

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I for one am also a huge pistol lover, but I don't want it in the next game. So everyone goes around with this one gun. At least now if you have the BR, you still need a long rang weapon like the sniper. With the pistol that all you need, how many time did you guy take down a sniper in CE from across the map with the pistol. The pistol was a great gun that was allots of fun, leave it in CE.

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Posted by: piggy12
the reason they took the pistol out is because it was way too powerful. They took it out for that reason only. and the ar is the best weapon in the whole halo series


Sorry, I'll put the pistol and BR over the AR. I always used the AR as a secondary weapon when I ran out of bullets in the pistol. I would say that the AR was the best sounding weapon in halo series.

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Posted by: FlamNnipulZ
I for one am also a huge pistol lover, but I don't want it in the next game. So everyone goes around with this one gun. At least now if you have the BR, you still need a long rang weapon like the sniper. With the pistol that all you need, how many time did you guy take down a sniper in CE from across the map with the pistol. The pistol was a great gun that was allots of fun, leave it in CE.

Exactly, itsnot competetive enough. It was amazingly fun to weild, but still, its not balanced enough. Its old school, this is new school. And Halo does have online play, its called Xbconnect. So, don't argue that you can't play online witht he pistol. I want Halo 3 not Halo 1 part 2.

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Posted by: Murray tX
Posted by: FlamNnipulZ
I for one am also a huge pistol lover, but I don't want it in the next game. So everyone goes around with this one gun. At least now if you have the BR, you still need a long rang weapon like the sniper. With the pistol that all you need, how many time did you guy take down a sniper in CE from across the map with the pistol. The pistol was a great gun that was allots of fun, leave it in CE.

Exactly, itsnot competetive enough. It was amazingly fun to weild, but still, its not balanced enough. Its old school, this is new school. And Halo does have online play, its called Xbconnect. So, don't argue that you can't play online witht he pistol. I want Halo 3 not Halo 1 part 2.


I want new weapons, bungie need to upgrade the covie weapon as well. There pretty much worthless now. A covie AR will be nice to see, as well as a covie shotty.

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The AR was a reasonably good weapon... To be honest, i think it's good to see it return. As long as it has similar abilities as the original, i.e. long bursts, less accuracy.... You get the idea. This reminds me... I remember a time when I first saw the E3 trailer for halo 2, with the in game screens. The battle rifle there seems to have a different rate of fire to the one we see in the actual version of Halo 2, i.e. no 3 round bursts, but a continuous automatic rate of fire, just not as rapid as the AR..... It would be nice to see a version of that in Halo 3 :D

  • 05.12.2006 2:02 PM PDT

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I agree, the pistol was fun, but too powerful. I like competition and teamwork, not one-man-army dominance. And for anyone that doesn't think it is the AR, look at this. The top is the Halo CE Assault Rifle, the middle is the Halo 3 Trailer Rifle (reversed for easy comparison), and the bottom is the Halo 2 Battle Rifle. I'll let you guys make a judgement, but the picture speaks for itself.
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Posted by: Ghost Raider 01
I agree, the pistol was fun, but too powerful. I like competition and teamwork, not one-man-army dominance. And for anyone that doesn't think it is the AR, look at th is. The top is the Halo CE Assault Rifle, the middle is the Halo 3 Trailer Rifle (reversed for easy comparison), and the bottom is the Halo 2 Battle Rifle. I'll let you guys make a judgement, but the picture speaks for itself.
-GR01

Lol, that looks nothing like the BR. I can't believe people think its a hybrid. What's the point in that? Zoomed automatic doesn't work. And, that's just stupid, there is no balance in that.

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