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Subject: IT MIGHT BE FRED, NOT CHIEF!!
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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Posted by: Murray tX
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Um.. The books ARE in total agreement with the game. There's not conflict.

And yeah, cleary "the Chief" means John 117, not some other Spartan.

LMAO! No conflict. That's why there are suddenly no Spartans in Halo 2. In Halo 2, teh covenant stumble across earth. That's why they don't destroy it, because they didn't know it was earth, they thought it was just a forerunner area. In First Strike, the covenant know exactly where earth is and they are planning on an attack. I'll probably post a really extensive comparison somteimt, but for now, that should totally be enough to tell you that the books are not in total agreement, in the least.


* How Stuff Works: Are you guys very conscious to make sure that everything fits together -- that the books and games don't contradict one another -- so that everyone can look to any source and say, "This is very consistent, fully realized world"?


* Pete Parsons: Yes, but not in the marketing kind of way. We do it because we want the "Halo" universe to be manifold. You can certainly probably pull out some inconsistencies, but as a general rule we really try to keep it manifold. Because we think that ultimately we are doing this for ourselves. And after that, we're doing it for our fans, and we want them to really believe in this place that is the Halo universe. I think the reason Halo has captured so many imaginations is because we care a lot about what's going on in that universe and how believable that universe is. We have this high level myth that we understand very well.

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well...i think i remember Bungie saying it is the chief.

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Bungie chose to go a different route than the books. That's why it changed so much from E3 of 04. Its not the same story, its not canonized because the story lines don't fit. You aren't even arguing teh storyline, you are arguing semantics. The story line doesn't fit.

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Posted by: Murray tX
Posted by: Rove Actually
Um.. The books ARE in total agreement with the game. There's not conflict.

And yeah, cleary "the Chief" means John 117, not some other Spartan.

LMAO! No conflict. That's why there are suddenly no Spartans in Halo 2. In Halo 2, teh covenant stumble across earth. That's why they don't destroy it, because they didn't know it was earth, they thought it was just a forerunner area. In First Strike, the covenant know exactly where earth is and they are planning on an attack. I'll probably post a really extensive comparison somteimt, but for now, that should totally be enough to tell you that the books are not in total agreement, in the least.


* How Stuff Works: Are you guys very conscious to make sure that everything fits together -- that the books and games don't contradict one another -- so that everyone can look to any source and say, "This is very consistent, fully realized world"?


* Pete Parsons: Yes, but not in the marketing kind of way. We do it because we want the "Halo" universe to be manifold. You can certainly probably pull out some inconsistencies, but as a general rule we really try to keep it manifold. Because we think that ultimately we are doing this for ourselves. And after that, we're doing it for our fans, and we want them to really believe in this place that is the Halo universe. I think the reason Halo has captured so many imaginations is because we care a lot about what's going on in that universe and how believable that universe is. We have this high level myth that we understand very well.

Touche, but, when was that written?

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the chief has no idea that it is the ark. he wasnt around when 343 guilty spark told JOHNSON, KEYS and the ARBITER...no one else. MC was in Hight Charity and the others were in the control room for the Delta Halo. just to set things strait.

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Don't assume he doesn't know. He might be in contact with them.

  • 05.12.2006 2:22 PM PDT
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I am...whimsical today.

Various sources around Bungie (I can't be bothered to look for the specific names) Have said that its the Chief. But they also make a deal out of his gloves (in the FAQ I think). I do think that if the guy in the trailer were another SPARTAN then they'd make a bigger deal of it. However, as the gloves are brought up as being new, but the rest of the armor is really battle worn, then I can think of two possibilities:
WARNING THE BELOW IS SPECULATION, AND RAMPANT TO SAY THE LEAST

The scuffs and scrapes are due to testing out the new armor system. As we can see in Halo 2 when the Chief gets his MK 6 gear it is a little worn already. So the Chief managed to get a new set sometime after reaching Earth.

OR

The new gloves we see ARE Will's (or whoever got the prototypes on Reach) and the Chief has made contact with other SPARTANs. He got the best gear, as he had the most dangerous task to do, or Will (or whoever) was found dead, and so he nabbed them.


As I write this I realise that I haven't read the books for a long time, and that Will may have died when they were in Fractal Space. If so, or something else has been overlooked, then cherry-pick what you want / makes sense.

EDIT: I also wouldn't put it past Bungie to lie about the Trailer, to keep the story secret. It may, after all, be JUST a pretty feeling maker :P

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If you know that coordinates X,Y,Z are your house and you see a map with X,Y,Z labeled; you know its your house.

But if someone else comes along and see's X,Y,Z labeled as "place where something I need might be", then they dont have a clue it's your house.

So the Covenant knowing where Earth is in FS doesn't negate the storylines at all.

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yeah it does. They have databases. If they had coordinates for earth, then the foreunner coordiantes would match up as well. And, you still can't explain the absence of Spartans.

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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Posted by: Murray tX
yeah it does. They have databases. If they had coordinates for earth, then the foreunner coordiantes would match up as well. And, you still can't explain the absence of Spartans.
They were probably stationed on other orbital stations and were fighting above ground/ in different parts of New Mombasa. Also, if suddenly a spartan looking just like the cheif helped you out in the game, people who have no clue about the books would say,

"What the hell, a clone of the MC?! Since when?!"

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LMAO! No conflict. That's why there are suddenly no Spartans in Halo 2. In Halo 2, teh covenant stumble across earth. That's why they don't destroy it, because they didn't know it was earth, they thought it was just a forerunner area. In First Strike, the covenant know exactly where earth is and they are planning on an attack. I'll probably post a really extensive comparison somteimt, but for now, that should totally be enough to tell you that the books are not in total agreement, in the least.

The Covenant fleet that knew exactly where Earth was in FS was planning an attack. However, the Spartans attacked the covenant space station in which the fleet was stationed at and destroyed it. If the covenant fleet hadn't sent a message (not sure here) then there is a chance that the rest of the covenant didn't find out what they knew. I thought Dr. Halsley took Kelly (or Linda) for a secret mission, and the other three spartans were still on Reach. I remember they were fighting through the underground caverns on the planet. That would explain why they weren't in Halo 2. They weren't on Earth, nor in contact with MC in order to go to the next Halo. They've been separated for a while now. I'm not saying that the spartans are definitely going to be in H3, just that they should either kill off the remaining spartans in the next book, or have them get off Reach and head towards Earth and maybe land there some point during H3.

Update: Or they could have them reach Earth and die trying to defend it while the Covenant over take the planet.

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I think;
if it was MC, he wuldn't have an an old H1 gun, he would got tthe new AR...... do u think john would b as confused as that spartan (don't knnow witch is it out of the fiive spartans)....


I thought Dr. Halsley took Kelly (or Linda) for a secret mission, and the other three spartans were still on Reach. I remember they were fighting through the underground caverns on the planet. That would explain why they weren't in Halo 2. THIS EXPLAINS THE CONFUSION OF THE SPARTAN

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  • 05.12.2006 2:39 PM PDT

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I have to agree with NLANE there. The Spartans were on Reach (correct me if wrong) fighting off Covenant ground forces. Plus, I definately remember Dr. Halesy taking one of the Spartans away on a "secret mission" like he says. In fact, i'm pretty sure it was one of the female Spartans that was taken off...

I suppose the whole 'new gloves' crap will be stirring up all kinds of hell until something official is announced. It is interesting to think that there may be another Spartan involved. I mean, who's to say it isn't Dr. Halsey's Spartan?

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Posted by: WUSHU_BOY
I think;
if it was MC, he wuldn't have an an old H1 gun, he would got tthe new AR...... do u think john would b as confused as that spartan (don't knnow witch is it out of the fiive spartans)....


Guys, please... IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY BUNGIE THAT IT IS MASTER CHIEF!

I need a vacation, you guys are givin me a hernia.... -_-

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the Chief (no it's not Linda, or Kelly…) battered Mjolnir armor.
HE NEVER SAID ANYHIN' 'BOUT FRED NOR WILL EVEN IF THER IS 3 DOTS AT THE END...... THEY COULD B TRYING TO CONFUSE US TO KEEP A SURPRISE..

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dude im with u, this guy has different gloves, and in one of the books dr hasly gives fred special gloves that do something, AND (MAJOR HINT) bungie always calls him MASTER cheif, and now, just cheif, he got promoted to cheif in a book! what do u think, and oh yeah they said its nod kelly, sam , or linda, some thing like that BUT THEY PUT A DOT DOT DOT U IDIOTS, THERE IS DEFINITE PROOF ITS FRED, AND in the trailer at 1:04 you see acknowligement lights and he nods, thats master cheif or someone talking to him.

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An ellipses is used to denote that something has been left out (IE the names of everyone else it could have possibly been).

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Posted by: WUSHU_BOY
the Chief (no it's not Linda, or Kelly…) battered Mjolnir armor.
HE NEVER SAID ANYHIN' 'BOUT FRED NOR WILL EVEN IF THER IS 3 DOTS AT THE END...... THEY COULD B TRYING TO CONFUSE US TO KEEP A SURPRISE..


Wow.... actually, you might really be on to something. Bungie never named any male Spartans. And Fred is not mentioned there either...

Hmmmmmmmmm

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I don't think they were being cryptic...he was putting the theory to rest.

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nah in the update im sure i read that it was definatly chief

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Posted by: NoobSlapper
I don't think they were being cryptic...he was putting the theory to rest.


Well yeah, judging by the tone of the update and seeing as they just got back from E3 and wanna relax, that's a possibilty too.

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It'd probably be pretty annoying to make something where you (the maker) OBVIOUSLY expect people to grasp that it's the chief.

But then EVERYONE goes crazy thinking its some mystical other Spartan.

-They haven't introduced the other Spartans before this in the games. They wouldn't put one in the trailer without introducing them first.

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http://bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?link=backfromE3
HE NEVER SAID IT WAS EXACTLY THE CHEIF . READ CAREFULLY
There wasn't much to show at the moment, since we're keeping things under warps for now, but CJ clued everyone in on the 3-mile wide Forerunner artifact, Cortana's state of mind and the Chief (no it's not Linda, or Kelly…) battered Mjolnir armor.



ANYWAYS BUNGIE ALWAYS LIES

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Posted by: WUSHU_BOY
http://bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?link=backfromE3
HE NEVER SAID IT WAS EXACTLY THE CHEIF . READ CAREFULLY
There wasn't much to show at the moment, since we're keeping things under warps for now, but CJ clued everyone in on the 3-mile wide Forerunner artifact, Cortana's state of mind and the Chief (no it's not Linda, or Kelly…) battered Mjolnir armor.



ANYWAYS BUNGIE ALWAYS LIES


Oh they do, do they? *WHISTLE*

Ninja's!

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