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Subject: Primordium Or Glasslands?

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Poll: Primordium Or Glasslands?  [closed]
Primordium:  84%
(21 Votes)
Glasslands:  16%
(4 Votes)
Total Votes: 25

Title for Reference.

Okay, so I literally just finished Cryptum less than ten minutes ago, and loved all of it. It really gave me that feeling I first had when I started getting into Halo's lore; that sense of greatness and wonder towards the unknown. So much new information to devour and contrast. It was much better than I could have ever hoped for (perhaps because my expectations were not that high?)

Obviously, now I really want to get Primordium and continue the story arc, but there is a problem. Glasslands.

I've been far more interested in Glasslands than what I had ever been with Cryptum, mostly because I favor the Human-Covenant War period of Halo's canon than the Forerunner aspect, and wanted to get it initially, but my brother had brought Cryptum from England, so I started there. Now, the matter at hand is if I should either purchase online either Glasslands or Primordium.

I highly doubt the final installment in the Forerunner Saga will be released soon, giving me time to read through Glasslands and possibly the sequel, which logically should come out before the final Forerunner novel. But I'm dying to read Primordium and jump aboard on the discussions being held on the forum. So guys, please help me decide which I should get. I will order the novel you guys decide on Monday.

And yes, I have thought through a lot which one I should get.

Discuss.

  • 01.07.2012 10:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
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I haven't read either Cryptum or Primordium, but when I start reading a series, I really want to know what happens next. I'd get Primordium. I know that when I get around to getting more Halo books, it will be the Forerunner Saga before glasslands.

  • 01.07.2012 10:21 PM PDT

I'd say Primordium. My favorite of the two and it will be good continuing the story with all the info of what happened in Cryptum still fresh.

  • 01.07.2012 10:47 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Primordium by far. Glasslands ruined many aspects for me and seemed to ignore previously established events and characters in the canon.

  • 01.07.2012 10:52 PM PDT

Primordium. You won't regret it.

  • 01.07.2012 11:36 PM PDT

The Razor.

For the honour of the Mirratord.

I am one of the few people who absolutely loved Glasslands, and as I have yet to read Primordium, I would have to go with Traviss' novel.

  • 01.08.2012 4:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mr Evil 37
I am one of the few people who absolutely loved Glasslands, and as I have yet to read Primordium, I would have to go with Traviss' novel.


Or you could have waited to read Primordium and cast a fair vote, eh Evil? :P

  • 01.08.2012 5:54 AM PDT
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I'm waiting for both to arrive in my area, but I am torn between more knowledge about the Forerunners and to find out for myself why the hate for Glasslands.

  • 01.08.2012 6:02 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

I haven't read Primodrium yet, but as far as I know there's some pretty important stuff covered in it which I obviously won't mention here.

But people demonise Glasslands too much IMO....I found it to be at least fairly engaging, about a 7/10 in terms of Halo book.

  • 01.08.2012 7:22 AM PDT

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I haven't read Glasslands, but heard from a reliable source that I shouldn't get it. It's not worth it and Traviss is not a good writer for Halo.

I haven't finished Primordium, but so far it's pretty good. Plus, considering what I said above...Primordium is the winner.

  • 01.08.2012 8:06 AM PDT


Posted by: Mr Evil 37
I am one of the few people who absolutely loved Glasslands, and as I have yet to read Primordium, I would have to go with Traviss' novel.
I enjoyed Glasslands, too.

Just about to start on Primordium.

[Edited on 01.08.2012 9:03 AM PST]

  • 01.08.2012 9:02 AM PDT

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Greg Bear has always been one of my favorite authors, and Karen Traviss has always been one of my least favorite.

Primordium was the easy choice for me.

  • 01.08.2012 9:19 AM PDT
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Primordium is an epic character driven story that reveals the origins of the Flood, and reveals some aspects about Halo 4.

Glasslands is a character driven story that fails to elaborate on any new technologies.
Most of the new technologies are just mentioned in 1 or 2 sentences, leaving you to wonder where the heck they came from. Also, the depiction of the relationship between Brutes and Elites is completely unrealistic and makes no sense whatsoever.

  • 01.08.2012 10:13 AM PDT

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Why is it an "or" question?

Read both, they both expand the lore of the Halo Universe. All you will get here is opinions on who thought which book was better.

And if you favor the Human-Covenant era more, than obviously Glasslands is more in your ballpark.

  • 01.08.2012 12:23 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Glasslands is a character driven story that fails to elaborate on any new technologies.
Most of the new technologies are just mentioned in 1 or 2 sentences, leaving you to wonder where the heck they came from. Also, the depiction of the relationship between Brutes and Elites is completely unrealistic and makes no sense whatsoever.


This is what I mean by "All you will get here are opinions."

If Traviss elaborated on every new piece of technology mentioned, the book would be twice its length now. It could have used some elaboration yes, but you have blown it out of proportion.

As for the Brutes and Elites, I honestly have no idea how this became the biggest issue on everyone's list. People should be worried about more important inconsistencies - Lucy punching Halsey and Halsey living - rather than worrying about how LABORER Brutes were working on Sangheili ships in one instance.

  • 01.08.2012 12:27 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I haven't read Glasslands, but heard from a reliable source that I shouldn't get it. It's not worth it and Traviss is not a good writer for Halo.

I haven't finished Primordium, but so far it's pretty good. Plus, considering what I said above...Primordium is the winner.

The only reliable source is yourself. You are in no position to judge the book, or give advice therefore, if you have not read the book, period.

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

As for the Brutes and Elites, I honestly have no idea how this became the biggest issue on everyone's list.


Because the first thing stated about the brutes when they were introduced was their hatred for the elites, CH even stated them as "ancient enemies". So for us to have accounts of them clearly hating each other being switched to some of them being willful slaves is hard to understand.

  • 01.08.2012 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I haven't read Glasslands, but heard from a reliable source that I shouldn't get it. It's not worth it and Traviss is not a good writer for Halo.

I haven't finished Primordium, but so far it's pretty good. Plus, considering what I said above...Primordium is the winner.

The only reliable source is yourself. You are in no position to judge the book, or give advice therefore, if you have not read the book, period.

Too bad, I already did.

  • 01.08.2012 12:32 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
If Traviss elaborated on every new piece of technology mentioned, the book would be twice its length now. It could have used some elaboration yes, but you have blown it out of proportion.


Or not if we actually knew what Traviss was talking about.

As for the Brutes and Elites, I honestly have no idea how this became the biggest issue on everyone's list.

Because it was a pretty big driving force for Halo 2, Halo 3 and the expanded universe and considering the heinous things the Brutes did during Halo 2 onward, it's pretty BS that the Elites would be so open because these Brute's are "loyal".

People should be worried about more important inconsistencies - Lucy punching Halsey and Halsey living -

We have, shows how much you actually look at topics here and on Waypoint.

rather than worrying about how LABORER Brutes were working on Sangheili ships in one instance.

Considering that Brutes have never been labeled as engineers whatsoever, where this skill came about perplexes me. That and everything I said above.

  • 01.08.2012 12:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Glasslands is a character driven story that fails to elaborate on any new technologies.
Most of the new technologies are just mentioned in 1 or 2 sentences, leaving you to wonder where the heck they came from. Also, the depiction of the relationship between Brutes and Elites is completely unrealistic and makes no sense whatsoever.


This is what I mean by "All you will get here are opinions."

If Traviss elaborated on every new piece of technology mentioned, the book would be twice its length now. It could have used some elaboration yes, but you have blown it out of proportion.

As for the Brutes and Elites, I honestly have no idea how this became the biggest issue on everyone's list. People should be worried about more important inconsistencies - Lucy punching Halsey and Halsey living - rather than worrying about how LABORER Brutes were working on Sangheili ships in one instance.
Yes, yet every single other Halo author still manages to do what Travvis didn't.

I mean, out of no where, she just drops in a sentence of a spartan wearing MK. VII! I mean, what is it's capabilities? How different is it compared to MK. VI?

Don't even get me started on the Forerunner modified drives.... How better are they compared to ours, and how long did it take us to implement the? All these new technologies are just popping up with no explanation whatsoever! Th great things about Halo novels is that the authors find a way to explain technologies that I thought were impossible or couldn't be explained.

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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Glasslands is a character driven story that fails to elaborate on any new technologies.
Most of the new technologies are just mentioned in 1 or 2 sentences, leaving you to wonder where the heck they came from. Also, the depiction of the relationship between Brutes and Elites is completely unrealistic and makes no sense whatsoever.


This is what I mean by "All you will get here are opinions."

If Traviss elaborated on every new piece of technology mentioned, the book would be twice its length now. It could have used some elaboration yes, but you have blown it out of proportion.

As for the Brutes and Elites, I honestly have no idea how this became the biggest issue on everyone's list. People should be worried about more important inconsistencies - Lucy punching Halsey and Halsey living - rather than worrying about how LABORER Brutes were working on Sangheili ships in one instance.
Yes, yet every single other Halo author still manages to do what Travvis didn't.

I mean, out of no where, she just drops in a sentence of a spartan wearing MK. VII! I mean, what is it's capabilities? How different is it compared to MK. VI?

Don't even get me started on the Forerunner modified drives.... How better are they compared to ours, and how long did it take us to implement the? All these new technologies are just popping up with no explanation whatsoever! Th great things about Halo novels is that the authors find a way to explain technologies that I thought were impossible or couldn't be explained.


If it were little and unimportant details we wouldn't care. But i really want to understand how they unlocked forerunner technology and already had it on select ships before the end of halo 3.

People seem to forget the timeframe Glasslands happens in, the end of the novel is at the funeral in halo 3 (timewise).

People say "They got it from onyx" Yet every source we have says onyx was locked down and they weren't able to do anything. Now primordium is implying that recently they were able to get info about the didact from onyx but that is it.

  • 01.08.2012 12:57 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

If Glasslands was a standalone novel, there would be a big problem, but it isn't.

Just like how there was confusion on the number of Halo Arrays in the end of Cryptum, there were some unanswered questions in Glasslands.

Granted, there were far more in Glasslands, but unless Traviss fails to elaborate in the next novel too, it is my opinion that she is getting too much heat for it.

  • 01.08.2012 1:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
it is my opinion that she is getting too much heat for it.


As she rightly should.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Just like how there was confusion on the number of Halo Arrays in the end of Cryptum, there were some unanswered questions in Glasslands.



The big difference with that is there were several things introduced in the novel that we explained if not slightly elaborated. So having such left unexplained at the end isn't an issue from a reading standpoint. Especially when it seems the last novel will be from didact's perspective.


Glasslands introduced everything and didn't elaborate on anything relevant. The next two books are going to play catch up, which is horrible.


  • 01.08.2012 1:23 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Because it was a pretty big driving force for Halo 2, Halo 3 and the expanded universe and considering the heinous things the Brutes did during Halo 2 onward, it's pretty BS that the Elites would be so open because these Brute's are "loyal".


Generalizations. In Halo Reach, there were Brutes that were given basically no protection and sent to fight.

If there were Jiralhanae settlements on Sangheilios, then there would be a big problem, but the fact remains that the Brutes were only working as maintenance on a select Sangheili ships; it does not even imply loyalty.

We have, shows how much you actually look at topics here and on Waypoint.

Have you resorted to jumping to conclusions Cobra? Don't act pathetic, let's have a reasonable conversation. I've seen all the -blam!-ing people have done about Glasslands here, on Waypoint, and on grey's site.

Considering that Brutes have never been labeled as engineers whatsoever, where this skill came about perplexes me. That and everything I said above.

Okay, so you have never seen a Brute with engineering skills, so clearly none of them have it. I hope you understand that the Jiralhanae did get up to the equivalent of an Industrial civilization on their home planet.

But even this is irrelevant, to some extent. They don't need engineering expertise to be told what to do.

  • 01.08.2012 1:23 PM PDT

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